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Old 04-22-2017, 10:35 AM   #81
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When the c6 redesign came in 2005 I believe most of the changes were funded by the Cadillac division...

I wonder if Cadillac division is funding the massive bowling green manufacturing plant investment?

That would be quite telling and we as corvette enthusiasts might just get to keep our reasonably priced supercar in the c8 as a rear mid engine design to boot..

Besides the security dog said so...

We will know either way soon enough...

Always fun anticipating future GM performance vehicles as they tend to surpass the German and Italian in many performance areas..
The C6 first year was 2015 but the XLR which is a C6, first year was 2014. C6 Caddy peak performance in 2006 XLR-V a very heavy luxury sports car but Corvette stayed true to sports car roots and was the real performance car with Z06 and ZR1. Is it possible the same progression will be true for the ME C8?
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Seeing as how they have eliminated the corvette branded prototypes in favor of the new Cadillac powered prototype in the imsa series, and this is a documented R&D testing series for future street use technology. A mid-engine Cadillac would make more sense.
The Cadillacs racing in IMSA are about as much "Cadillac" as Jimmy Johnson's stock car is a "Chevrolet".
I wouldn't use the Cadillac racing program as proof of a ME Cadillac production car as the 2 have nothing do with each other. The Caddy prototypes use a Dallara chassis (as do others in the series).

As a final note: The cold weather testing with the ME car and ZR1 (?) together would lend some credence to the ME car being a Corvette, as I've never seen 2 divisions (Caddy and Chevy) testing together (not to say it's never happened, I've just never seen it).

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Old 04-22-2017, 03:06 PM   #83
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^^^ When GM had their testing facility in Manitou Springs, CO, I saw a Cadillac 4 door sedan(completely covered in padded vinyl camo) and a Chevy Silverado dually(everything behind cab covered in padded vinyl camo) there at the same time.

I walked around them inside the fencing to get a good look.

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Old 04-22-2017, 03:07 PM   #84
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Wow, 18-year old article.

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We’ve speculated on this hot potato subject before, but we’re going to go out on a limb and declare the mid-engine “Corvette” will actually be a range topping Cadillac.
Don't bet any more on this than you can afford to lose.

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if its a caddy first are they thinking it'll be a vette later?
If it happens me along with a lot of other loyal Vette owners will be gone from GM. Ford GT?
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^^^ So, a bunch of loyal Corvette owners are going to trade their $70K Corvette in for a $450K Ford GT to teach GM a lesson. I really doubt that very many loyal Corvette owners can pony up an extra $380K just to show GM that they are messing with the wrong group of Corvette owners.

Plus I believe that every one of the 250 GT's that Ford is going to build annually for the next four years are already spoken for, so be prepared to pay way more than $450K for a used one.

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^^^ Wll, you can get an '05 or '06 for a fraction of that price, I forgot not all Corvette owners can go out and get one if they want. My apologies but still would tick me off if they were to do that and I might be one to flee to the older GT

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^^^ Apparently you don't know the Ford GT market very well. A 2005 or 2006 GT with a clean title will run you $350-$500k. Or in other words the same price as the new one if you could get your hands on one.

GM sells 35,000 Corvettes a year, they probably don't care about the 200 people on this forum that they **** off.

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Cadillac made an upscale model on the Corvette floor awhile back. It didn't sell and was dropped. The volume potential lies within Corvette. If Porsche can sell a mid-engine car for $75k, why can't Corvette for less than 100k if it has much higher volume going for it?
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[QUOTE=jimmyb;1594585096]The Cadillacs racing in IMSA are about as much "Cadillac" as Jimmy Johnson's stock car is a "Chevrolet".
I wouldn't use the Cadillac racing program as proof of a ME Cadillac production car as the 2 have nothing do with each other. The Caddy prototypes use a Dallara chassis (as do others in the series).
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Actually the imsa cars have everything to do with street cars. where do you think these manufacturers test their the next generation of performance parts for durability before being available to the public?

Ford tested and developed the entire Ford GT powertrain for 2yrs in the prototype class before actually installing it in the GTLM car. So why would Cadillac not also do the same with there mid engine development? its not the chassis they need to test its engine durability and this is the perfect place to test out in the open.
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If Porsche can sell a mid-engine car for $75k, why can't Corvette for less than 100k if it has much higher volume going for it?
If you are considering a 350 hp 718 Cayman S as the benchmark - which is the $75,000 mid-engine Porsche (aka the modern equivalent of a second generation (1989-1999) Toyota MR2) - then what the hell is the point of a mid-engine Corvette - a Grand Sport will do the same will outperform a 718 Cayman S for less money.
And, the 718 is outsold 6:1 by the C7 - Porsche averages about 6,000 718's (Cayman & Boxster combined) sold in the US for 2104-2017. At 6,000 C8's per year, the cost per car compared to a C7 would have to go up quite a bit.
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If you are considering a 350 hp 718 Cayman S as the benchmark - which is the $75,000 mid-engine Porsche (aka the modern equivalent of a second generation (1989-1999) Toyota MR2) - then what the hell is the point of a mid-engine Corvette - a Grand Sport will do the same will outperform a 718 Cayman S for less money.
And, the 718 is outsold 6:1 by the C7 - Porsche averages about 6,000 718's (Cayman & Boxster combined) sold in the US for 2104-2017. At 6,000 C8's per year, the cost per car compared to a C7 would have to go up quite a bit.
Porsche sells way more Boxsters/Cayman than the ~6,000 they sell annually in the USA. Porsche's largest market is outside of the USA, whereas the Corvette's market is 90% within the USA. The amortized cost is based on total sales, not just those sold in the USA. GM sold 29,995 C7's in 2016 in the USA and only a little over 2,400 outside of the USA.

Porsche sold 6060 Boxsters and Caymans worldwide in the 1st Quarter, 2017, and that doesn't count the 911's which sell higher than the Boxster/Cayman.. In the USA, the 1st quarter sales of the Boxster and the Cayman was 1,494. The USA 1st quarter sales of the 911 was 2,159. The 1st quarter USA sales of Corvettes was 5,804.

Porsche sells more sports cars than GM does.

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But and it might be far fetched, but AWD is going to pop up somewhere sometime. Just a thought.
I would agree with your statement....
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The Cadillacs racing in IMSA are about as much "Cadillac" as Jimmy Johnson's stock car is a "Chevrolet".
I wouldn't use the Cadillac racing program as proof of a ME Cadillac production car as the 2 have nothing do with each other.


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^^^ So, a bunch of loyal Corvette owners are going to trade their $70K Corvette in for a $450K Ford GT to teach GM a lesson. I really doubt that very many loyal Corvette owners can pony up an extra $380K just to show GM that they are messing with the wrong group of Corvette owners.
The line is starting around back.

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Plus I believe that every one of the 250 GT's that Ford is going to build annually for the next four years are already spoken for, so be prepared to pay way more than $450K for a used one.
Exactly right, Joe.

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I wouldn't use the Cadillac racing program as proof of a ME Cadillac production car as the 2 have nothing do with each other. The Caddy prototypes use a Dallara chassis (as do others in the series).
QUOTE]Well said.
Also, the IMSA Caddy prototypes use the old 6.2 pushrod...a powerplant not likely to be used in a ME GM might produce for the street.


Ford tested and developed the entire Ford GT powertrain for 2yrs in the prototype class before actually installing it in the GTLM car.
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So why would Cadillac not also do the same with there mid engine development? its not the chassis they need to test its engine durability and this is the perfect place to test out in the open.
Your logic is sound, but I'm not so sure GM is doing this right now...at least not in a big way.
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