JerriVette

http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-dual...ime-95626.html

Even BMW is giving up on DCT transmissions for all torque converter automatics....as the head of BMW says manual transmissions and even DCT s days are numbered...

Advances in traditional torque converter automatics are such they out perform the two other types..

I'm a huge DCT fan but if even BMW is moving back to torque converter automatics because they perform better...I'm willing to keep an open mind....

How about you?

Do you believe that GM will ever produce or purchase a DCT type transmission for the c8 or will it be an evolution of the A10 or manual 7 speed for the c8?

I was shocked to read that BMW is moving back to torque converter automatics and dumping manuals and DCT s in future generations..

Was GM ahead of the curve on this by never leaving the manual or torque converter automatic for corvettes?

Steve Garrett

Wow, interesting news......

JoesC5

Are you aware that GM has a patent on a DCT that uses a torque convertor. They can be combined and Acura already has a DCT with a torque convertor in production. http://articles.sae.org/13432/

64drvr

I'm firmly in the camp that torque converter automatics are inferior in most applications (minus 1/4 mile drag racing or rock crawling). Heat tolerance, weight, reliability, performance, and enjoyment for virtually all other applications are problems for them IMO.

I'll take a manual for fun or severe duty (towing, DD, apocolypse, etc.)
I'll take a DCT for competition


As long as there is an option for both a manual and a dct/torque converter, everyone wins.

jimmyb

I think the hybrid torque converter/DCT is the wave of the future, just like some companies are using port injection/direct injection combo as well.

NoOne

Marketing guy speaking out of turn.

JerriVette

As you read the article the shifting speeds of the latest torque converter automatics , increased number of gears , lighter weight, durability less expensive and smaller in size could be the reasons as well as greater torque capacity...

I'm a manual corvette owner and have owned manuals for forty years of driving yet I'm fascinated by the technical advances for sports car enthusiasts...

If the BMW M division boss says their vehicles will be moving to torque converter automatics over DCT s or manuals...I'll at the least listen to what the BMW m division boss has to say...both today and in the near future...

I believe GM felt the same way as it continued on its path of torque converter automatics versus DCT s...although the driver feel at partial throttle street hot ******* probably did still favor the DCT...

Hopefully future evolution of torque converter automatics will address that issue...

Rkreigh

the new 8 and 10 spd trannys are beefy, light, and fit the frame so it's hard to argue for a tranny that is way more expensive

but when you drive one, you'll want it, I'm just sayin

JerriVette

I've driven the pdk in the Porsche and they are impressive at make believe hot ******* on the street...and I'd easily pay the corvette team 5 grand extra for such a transmission...

Still BMW M division says next gen M cars will be moving to torque converter automatics because they have evolved or are development to a level higher than the dual clutch transmission..

This is what GM engineers have been saying all along...and from an actual performance standpoint...I tend to believe their claim...

It's the make believe street hot ******* that I think the traditional torque converter is slightly lacking which is what causes so many to question GM s logic..

Hopefully it's just some programming option that's coming to resolve a few enthusiasts complaints about driver street driving downshifting paddle delay ...

Which seems to be the final complaint....

In automatic mode....performance mode...in the track...the torque converter automatic kicks butt..it's a beast

JoesC5

^^^ The DCT in the Mercedes AMG GT R kicks butt...as doing the Ring in 7:10 with 'only' 577 horses counts more than the Corvette's failed attempt at the Ring with their slushbox auto with 'only' 650 horses. Both cars have the same front engine...torque tube...rear transaxle layout.

JerriVette

Joec5 .....Iam curious how you can state the Z06 with the automatic transmission has not lapped faster than the AMG GT R?

Has GM announced lap time for the c7 z06 A8 or the ZR1 automatic and I miss the release of such information.

Thanks in advance JoeC5.

NY09C6

I've had both Audi DCT and GM/BMW auto. By far the DSG sucks.

JerriVette

The advances in torque converter automatics either today or in the near future seem to have motivated the BMW M boss to make such claims for future M vehicles...

I'm actually surprised myself which prompted this thread...

Just figured I'd share it with you guys....my corvette breathern.

jimmyb

The AMG GT R is not coming out until summer 2018, so quoting a prototype time to continue your never ending C7 bashing doesn't fly. Nice try, however.

JoesC5

And when Mercedes gets the 'fine tuning' completed, the GT R will still be faster than the 2015 Z06 which was running the Ring in Sept, 2014(before it was released for production) that has never had it's time posed(nor it's video) that the ever truthful Tadge said they were "happy" with and would "soon" have a video released(that was two years ago I believe) of their "happy" run on the Ring. LOMFAO.

JerriVette

Yeah...there is a lot of corvette bashing from JoeC5...

It's a hobby to be negative but I enjoy the various perspectives although sometimes it's a bit over the top...

That's when it's a good time to have a good laugh..

JustinStrife

He's in love with his C6. As long as it makes him happy

JoesC5

Well, I'm not "happy" that the AMG GT R is quicker around the Ring than the C6 Z06 or the C6 ZR1, but at least I can admit that the AMG GT R is quicker.

JerriVette

I would suggest that we at least consider the advances in tire technology between the date the c6 z06 ran the "ring"

I'm not sure it would make that big a difference but quite a few years of tire development have occurred.

sunsalem

That would, of course, be technically true.
Without a press release by GM of the car's time, the C7 Z06 doesn't factor into any Ring rankings.