If Corvette made a 6 cylinder?
05-17-2017, 12:58 PM
#21
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"Adding to" the corvette options anything other than a v8 or FE/RWD will kill it. Chevy has set a standard with the corvette due to its longevity that cant be changed. It would be like Porsche changing the overall design of the 911 or using an engine other than a flat six.
Will Chevy make a mid engine car v6 supercar? Possibly, but I don't think it will be called a Corvette.
Will Chevy make a mid engine car v6 supercar? Possibly, but I don't think it will be called a Corvette.
05-17-2017, 01:54 PM
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I just listened to a clip of the Ford GT'S v6 and it sounded terrible. The exhaust note may not matter to some but it is important to many enthusiasts.
05-24-2017, 10:10 AM
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id actually kill to have a real high revving NA v8 (like 8000-9000rpm like the Audi R8/lambo, GT350 mustang or a ferrari) in my 2017 GS...
06-06-2017, 11:34 AM
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no v8 not interested no matter how fast it is
x2 on the GT. Its a 6 and sounds like it
x2 on the GT. Its a 6 and sounds like it
06-06-2017, 02:06 PM
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240hp is serious though?
I'd say that a V6 Corvette will exist, in the sense that it'll be a Cadillac branded car, running on a modular chassis that shares with Corvette, similar to the Camaro sharing with the ATS.
The relationship of audi and Lambo sharing for R8/Gallardo will likely be in the future for Corvette and Cadillac with the mid engine car, then potentially with a sport luxury car that competes with Panamera under the Caddy badge and uses core architecture from Corvette.
I could see a hybrid V6 application running forced induction, find its way into something...sure. That said though, there will ALWAYS be a V8 Corvette available. I've heard countless powertrain engineers in GM say that, internally, that is something they feel will never cease to exist...it'll kill the brand.
I'd say that a V6 Corvette will exist, in the sense that it'll be a Cadillac branded car, running on a modular chassis that shares with Corvette, similar to the Camaro sharing with the ATS.
The relationship of audi and Lambo sharing for R8/Gallardo will likely be in the future for Corvette and Cadillac with the mid engine car, then potentially with a sport luxury car that competes with Panamera under the Caddy badge and uses core architecture from Corvette.
I could see a hybrid V6 application running forced induction, find its way into something...sure. That said though, there will ALWAYS be a V8 Corvette available. I've heard countless powertrain engineers in GM say that, internally, that is something they feel will never cease to exist...it'll kill the brand.
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06-06-2017, 03:15 PM
#27
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If corvette made a 3.9L 235ci engine like the one that was in the original C1 would you be interested?
I was thinking about it and something like the LZ9 with 240hp and 240ftlbs could work. Modernized that engine could work and give better gas milage and a lower cost.
but would corvette owners go for that?
honestly I would be interested.
I was thinking about it and something like the LZ9 with 240hp and 240ftlbs could work. Modernized that engine could work and give better gas milage and a lower cost.
but would corvette owners go for that?
honestly I would be interested.
I would not be interested in a 240hp Corvette. I'd just go buy a Mustang GT. Or even a Subaru WRX STi. Or a Ford Focus RS. They are less expensive and have more horsepower than that. The horsepower and torque are part of the reason I purchased the Corvette. You take that away and you might as well be selling a Mazda Miata.
I wouldn't have a problem with GM putting a 6 cyl in the Corvette provided it made an appropriate amount of power (400+ hp).
06-06-2017, 06:31 PM
#28
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There's already a few cars that fit that market. Toyota 86, Scion FRS, Subaru BRZ and WRX, Mazda Miata, etc.
Corvette doesn't really compete with those cars.
Would I consider one? Absolutely. If I couldn't afford the Corvette, the FRS would be a front runner. Unfortunately for Toyota, I can afford the Covette and the FRS didn't have enough power, presence or features to make me consider it.
Corvette doesn't really compete with those cars.
Would I consider one? Absolutely. If I couldn't afford the Corvette, the FRS would be a front runner. Unfortunately for Toyota, I can afford the Covette and the FRS didn't have enough power, presence or features to make me consider it.
06-07-2017, 08:19 AM
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Anything less than 450 HP won't sell in a Corvette, unless EVERY performance car has only 335 HP(think back to the 1970's and 1980's).
Cadillac currently has a 464 HP V6(turbo) that might find it's way into a mid engine Cadillac sports car as it's base engine. Might even find it's way into a base mid engine Corvette, but I doubt it.
Cadillac currently has a 464 HP V6(turbo) that might find it's way into a mid engine Cadillac sports car as it's base engine. Might even find it's way into a base mid engine Corvette, but I doubt it.
06-07-2017, 06:24 PM
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If they use a V4 or v6 in the C8 it would not make me NOT buy a Vette... Cause I still need a C1, C4 and a C6...
But if the C8 onwards do not have a V8 option then I will not be buying. I DO NOT care that a Turbo or supercharger can get yada horsepower. For me its not the HP cause I'm not racing anyone anyways. Its about the Growl, some fun acceleration and sporty looks. Looks like there is gonna be an upswing in the value for Classics!
But if the C8 onwards do not have a V8 option then I will not be buying. I DO NOT care that a Turbo or supercharger can get yada horsepower. For me its not the HP cause I'm not racing anyone anyways. Its about the Growl, some fun acceleration and sporty looks. Looks like there is gonna be an upswing in the value for Classics!
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06-07-2017, 07:35 PM
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There must be some reason behind their madness. Maybe it is lighter, maybe because the Europeans are doing it(TT V6's), maybe because they don't want the Cadillac to come across as just a re-badged Chevrolet with a Chevrolet motor out of a pickup truck(they already got burned pretty bad doing that back in the day).
One thing we do know is that the V6 is physically smaller than the LT1 V8 and in a mid engine sports car, space is at a premium. A V6 engine that is 4-5" shorter in length fits into a smaller space than a big V8 does. That means the wheelbase can be shortened that 4-5 " without reducing the cockpit size, resulting in an automatic decrease in the car's weight(everything else being equal).
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06-07-2017, 08:49 PM
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Then mull this over. Why would Cadillac spend the time money to develop a 464 HP Twin Turbo V6 for the Cadillac if they could just go to the parts bin and take out a 460 HP LT1 instead?????
There must be some reason behind their madness. Maybe it is lighter, maybe because the Europeans are doing it(TT V6's), maybe because they don't want the Cadillac to come across as just a re-badged Chevrolet with a Chevrolet motor out of a pickup truck(they already got burned pretty bad doing that back in the day).
One thing we do know is that the V6 is physically smaller than the LT1 V8 and in a mid engine sports car, space is at a premium. A V6 engine that is 4-5" shorter in length fits into a smaller space than a big V8 does. That means the wheelbase can be shortened that 4-5 " without reducing the cockpit size, resulting in an automatic decrease in the car's weight(everything else being equal).
There must be some reason behind their madness. Maybe it is lighter, maybe because the Europeans are doing it(TT V6's), maybe because they don't want the Cadillac to come across as just a re-badged Chevrolet with a Chevrolet motor out of a pickup truck(they already got burned pretty bad doing that back in the day).
One thing we do know is that the V6 is physically smaller than the LT1 V8 and in a mid engine sports car, space is at a premium. A V6 engine that is 4-5" shorter in length fits into a smaller space than a big V8 does. That means the wheelbase can be shortened that 4-5 " without reducing the cockpit size, resulting in an automatic decrease in the car's weight(everything else being equal).
06-08-2017, 01:34 PM
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Then mull this over. Why would Cadillac spend the time money to develop a 464 HP Twin Turbo V6 for the Cadillac if they could just go to the parts bin and take out a 460 HP LT1 instead?????
There must be some reason behind their madness. Maybe it is lighter, maybe because the Europeans are doing it(TT V6's), maybe because they don't want the Cadillac to come across as just a re-badged Chevrolet with a Chevrolet motor out of a pickup truck(they already got burned pretty bad doing that back in the day).
One thing we do know is that the V6 is physically smaller than the LT1 V8 and in a mid engine sports car, space is at a premium. A V6 engine that is 4-5" shorter in length fits into a smaller space than a big V8 does. That means the wheelbase can be shortened that 4-5 " without reducing the cockpit size, resulting in an automatic decrease in the car's weight(everything else being equal).
There must be some reason behind their madness. Maybe it is lighter, maybe because the Europeans are doing it(TT V6's), maybe because they don't want the Cadillac to come across as just a re-badged Chevrolet with a Chevrolet motor out of a pickup truck(they already got burned pretty bad doing that back in the day).
One thing we do know is that the V6 is physically smaller than the LT1 V8 and in a mid engine sports car, space is at a premium. A V6 engine that is 4-5" shorter in length fits into a smaller space than a big V8 does. That means the wheelbase can be shortened that 4-5 " without reducing the cockpit size, resulting in an automatic decrease in the car's weight(everything else being equal).
Then when the Z06 mid engine is released as a Chevy it will be similar (but better) than the 3.6 liter engine in the Ford GT! Similar good mpg at the low rpm EPA drive test range and a dual turbo version that produces 650+hp @7000 rpm. Like the Ford and Toyota it will hopefully have DI and port injection so I won't have to transfer the "Catch Can" from my Grand Sport.
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06-08-2017, 01:53 PM
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Then the Chevy version comes out two years later when they learn how to build them more economically with our usual some Mulan leather but mostly vinyl, cheaper seats, little noise insulation and Bose! But the price will be $75,000!
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06-08-2017, 02:01 PM
#38
there are a lot of corvette traditionalists here that would not be customers for a v6 corvette.
however there are a lot of potential customers for whom a twin turbo v6 would be a selling point.
nissan manages to get the big heavy gtr doing 3 second 0 to 60 times with such a motor.
i wonder how many buyers would pick the ford gt with its 6 cylinder over a z06 if the price was comparable.
many consider corvettes to be what retirees buy as their retirement car. if chevy wants to appeal to a younger demographic a twin turbo v6 wouldnt be a bad choice assuming the performance was as good or better than a v8.
however there are a lot of potential customers for whom a twin turbo v6 would be a selling point.
nissan manages to get the big heavy gtr doing 3 second 0 to 60 times with such a motor.
i wonder how many buyers would pick the ford gt with its 6 cylinder over a z06 if the price was comparable.
many consider corvettes to be what retirees buy as their retirement car. if chevy wants to appeal to a younger demographic a twin turbo v6 wouldnt be a bad choice assuming the performance was as good or better than a v8.
06-19-2017, 01:32 AM
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Horsepower is not the be all, end all for a street car. I want smoothness, which a V6 doesn't provide. I was sound, which a V6 doesn't provide. I want something impressive when I open the hood, which a V6 doesn't provide. I don't need my Corvette to sound and feel like a mid-80's Buick Regal. The V6 is one of the worst possible cylinder layouts for balance. You are much better off with an inline or flat six.
Based on the leaked engine codes, it doesn't look like we need to worry about it. If anything it will be a 6.2L V8 with DOHCs, and even turbos. Now that, I can get excited
about. We may get some real RPM, while retaining our beloved large displacement.
Michael
Based on the leaked engine codes, it doesn't look like we need to worry about it. If anything it will be a 6.2L V8 with DOHCs, and even turbos. Now that, I can get excited
about. We may get some real RPM, while retaining our beloved large displacement.
Michael
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06-19-2017, 09:58 AM
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Because a new mid engine car will need a modern small displacement V6, with 4 valves/cylinder, independently variable intake and exhaust timing that at EPA drive test rpm's get very good mpg and when cranked to 6500 rpm provides 470 hp with twin turbos!
Then when the Z06 mid engine is released as a Chevy it will be similar (but better) than the 3.6 liter engine in the Ford GT! Similar good mpg at the low rpm EPA drive test range and a dual turbo version that produces 650+hp @7000 rpm. Like the Ford and Toyota it will hopefully have DI and port injection so I won't have to transfer the "Catch Can" from my Grand Sport.
Then when the Z06 mid engine is released as a Chevy it will be similar (but better) than the 3.6 liter engine in the Ford GT! Similar good mpg at the low rpm EPA drive test range and a dual turbo version that produces 650+hp @7000 rpm. Like the Ford and Toyota it will hopefully have DI and port injection so I won't have to transfer the "Catch Can" from my Grand Sport.
Now lets look at the Ford GT with a 3.5L HP 647 HP with an automatic transmission that gets 11 city/18 highway.
Now lets look at the Audi R8 with a 5.2L V10 with an automatic transmission with 610 HP that gets 14 city/22 highway.
If you want to compare lower HP models(460-470 HP), then the base Stingray has a 6.2L V8 automatic transmission with 460 HP that gets 15 city/ 25 highway(30+ highway in the real world), but the Cadillac ATS-V with it's 3.6L V6 and 464 HP automatic transmission gets 17/25 MPG. Not much of an improvement(only in the city) and the ATS-V won't accelerate 0-60 in 3.2/3.4 seconds(it will do it in 3.8 seconds with a top speed higher than the Corvette at 189 MPH, because of it's better aerodynamics vs the C7).
When you look at cars with comparable horsepower, the small displacement V6 gets worse gas mileage than the larger displacement V8/V10.
My honkin' 7L 505+ HP C6 Z06 is rated at 15/24, but in the real world, it gets over 30 MPG on the highway. I can add an E-Force to it and have 657 HP(comparable to the C7 Z06 and the Ford GT), and my city/highway gas mileage wouldn't drop below what I now get, as the EPA does not measure fuel economy with your right foot on the floor.
That's my argument for the Corvette staying with a big V8.
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