sunsalem

A hybrid doesn't necessarily have to be AWD (see McLaren P1 and LaFerrari).
Also, as far as weight goes:
LaFerrari = 3,495 lbs.
McLaren P1 = 3,411
Porsche 918 = 3,600-3,760
NSX = 3,803

tbrenny33

your right, it doesn't have to be AWD but I think it would makes sense to differentiate it from the other models (I'm assuming 2-3 ME models). Those cars are lighter then I thought and don't they all make north of 150 hp and torque on batteries.

msm859

Not sure where you drive? Come to California - you will see them on every street corner. Maybe not exactly but they are fairly common. You should also drive one - might help your understanding of the allure. However, the original question was adding hybrid technology, again not sure why anyone would be against it.

JustinStrife

I would. There are a lot of American cars I wouldnt even look at. And there's still some Japanese cars that fit certain segments of the market.

JoesC5

I live in Missouri, not in California. It may come as a surprise to you, but California is not the center of the universe. There are more people living outside of California than living inside California. I can take very long road trips and never drive within California's borders, and I won't see a single Tesla on those road trips in the other lower 47 states.

Outside of a few high density areas(millions of people squeezed into a two block area), no one gives a **** about the Tesla. You don't see them cruising down the Interstates, as they are concentrated in "up scale" shopping center parking lots, a couple of miles from their home/garage. LOL.

By the way, the last time I was in California in 2014, in my Z06, I didn't see a single Tesla, but I did see a Ferrari driving around in downtown San Francisco. But then, I do see a Ferrari and even a Lamborghini sometimes here in Springfield, Missouri. Come to think about it, I didn't see a single Corvette in California either, outside of the one's I was traveling with. Mostly I saw mundane cars and pickups like I see everyday in Springfield, Missouri.

sunsalem

Same here.
There is an American equivalent for every Japanese car.
Also, I like the idea of keeping Americans working and PROFITS staying here...not going to Japan.

Wow, now you're just pulling stuff out of your rearend.

Why this irrationalism regarding Tesla?
What are you afraid of?
It's just a car.
You are taking this as a personal attack, and that's not healthy.
Pop a couple of Xanax, take a nap and get back to us when you feel better.

Having lived in Springfield, I know (and so do you) it is NOT the center of the Automobile World...far from it.
Springfield is just another Midwestern dot on the map, with a Midwestern economy and culture.
No one is going to mistake it for being a national trendsetter.

BTW, your experiences may not be the same as other folks'.

msm859

Ouch! Did I hit a sensitive nerve or do you just hate Tesla and California? I realize California is not the center of the universe - although it is either the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world, with the most people and cars of any other state - and in many ways it is in fact "one" of the centers of the universe when it comes to cars. As to what you saw in San Francisco I find surprising. I go there several times a year - lots of BMW's, Mercedes,Lexus and yes, Tesla's. I do agree though not too many Corvettes. As to Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, Range Rover, Mercedes, BMW, Infiniti, NSX and Aston Martin those are all just in my neighborhood - I am the lone Corvette

JustinStrife

I never blindly followed any company or product. Make something I like, and that I want, and I will purchase it, no matter where it came from.

My Grandfather served as a Navy Fighter Pilot in World War 2 and was credited with several Zero kills before being shot down. He spent several months evading the Japanese before getting back to our side. When he died, he had a Datsun Pickup, and a BMW coupe in his garage. If a Veteran who was a part of our Greatest Generation could own products from companies of nations who use to be our enemies, I can too. I currently own Chevy, Ford, and Mazda. Use to own Nissan and Honda as well, and am looking at picking up a 3rd gen RX7 like I use to own.

Unfortunately America does not have an equivalent for every Japanese or European car made in the last 30 or 40 years. Nothing comparable to the Z cars, no RX7's, no NSX's, No GT-R's, no Evo's, no Subaru's(until the new Focus RS finally), etc.

NytmereZ

I live in the Chicago suburbs(oakbrook) , and there are Teslas everywhere, In this area even all the soccer moms have the Tessa SUV .

sunsalem

I wasn't considering WWII.
Glad your Grandpa didn't become a POW.
I was thinking about today's market, although you're right that we don't have a GT-R or NSX equivalent.
Regarding the NSX, I suspect the upcoming Caddy ME will be similar (I hope).
I'm not sure why some car guys are opposed to the Tesla...it's a technological marvel.
A luxury car with driving costs on par with a gas-powered car that gets over 90 mpg!
That's revolutionary stuff IMO.

theboom

First off it's 2.5 seconds, no one else has been able to replicate motor trends 2.3, tesla even says it's 2.5. Second, 0-60 is ALL tesla is good at, nothing else. After 60-80mph it just goes down hill from there. There are cars with far less power that will kill the p100d after 80 or from a roll. There are MANY cars that have a MUCH better power to weight ratio but with the tesla you can't just look at who has the better ratio. This is because the tesla does not have a second gear and it's electric only, so the power drops off something crazy the faster you go. So even cars that have a slightly less power to weight ratio will pull away at higher speeds because of the power fall off on the tesla. The power fall off can be fixed with a second gear but the tesla doesn't have that and even if they did you still have to account for the teslas, relatively speaking, lackluster power to weight ratio.

You also have the really low 155moh top speed which is a killer on any racing events longer than a 1/4 mile and on many tracks with high speed straights. Let's not even talk about cornering, handling, braking, or how long a charge will last at high power outputs because they are all laughable.

theboom

Electric doesn't have to be a one truck pony it's just with current battery technology and how manufacturers are currently building electric cars, they are. The way to get around the huge falloff of acceleration after 80 or so is to add a second gear like rimac does. The reason more 2 speed transmissions aren't in electric cars is because manufacturers are focused on making daily driver cars where a trans doesn't make since. When they finally start building actual performance cars, we will see a second gear. But I agree the weight kills it in everything else. We need better batteries.

b4i4getit

The Tesla does not compete with the Corvette in that market segment. If Tesla built a purpose built sports car I am sure it would smoke the Corvette. The thing to remember is that electric cars will be in your future like it or not. The days of the gasoline engine are numbered.

sunsalem

THIS.
It's silly to compare the 2.
The cars' missions are radically different...almost polar opposites really.
Either electric-assist (aka Hybrid) or full-on electric.
Each will have a part to play in the marketplace.

theboom

false, it would not smoke the corvette. A second gear would help with acceleration but you still have the weight issue of batteries. Take the rimac for example, it's got carbon everything and if it was gas would weight in the low 3k lbs, but it weighs 4K lbs. I do agree that electric will come, even if I'm not particularly looking forward to it. I just don't want it until the battery technology gets MUCH better.

theboom

I am well aware of this and I have never denied it. It is just a great annoyance to me when people say the model s will destroy everything and I have to point out that that is very false. It will destroy 99.99% of things 0-60 but that's it. But I understand that they are not built to compete in the slightest.

KnightIndustries

It's about investing and developing the technology...you have to do it, and they put it in the platform they felt was most viable. Keep in mind, there were plenty of backdoor dealing with the Volt and a lot of push from washington to build that car.

The first EV was a good exercise but the market wasn't ready at that time. The car, in the market they served it to, was a success. They had liberal celebs getting arrested when they took those cars back...lol.

GM is invested and in a good position to implement the technology. I've spoken to several engineers who drive the Volt very frequently and some that have used them as program commuters for long term testing. They absolutely praise the car and how cheap it is to operate. I think the Volt just missed the mark with its initial pricing and what you got for the money versus a high mpg Chevy Cruze which cost a lot less and got great mpg.

Hybrid will find its way into a Corvette, I don't think there's a question about it and I think they are going to implement the hybrid system to run the supercharger, independent of the crankshaft. Would allow boost by gear, more mode selectable profiles that give varying mpg and power delivery, even a valet mode, etc.

ANTIVNOM

I am 100% not interested in anything hybrid or electric.

Drive_Sell_Win

Don't like efficiency?

stevebz06

All these hybrids and pure electric cars are the result of Government pressure. Auto manufacturers are highly regulated and you don't want to get onto the wrong side of the Government. GM was also bailed by the Government and if the Government says build an electric car that will lose $8 billion, you do it.

And by Government I'm including Europe's, also. They are totally on board with green technology even at the expense of consumers and taxpayers.