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Old 08-11-2017, 01:06 AM   #41
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Corvette owners often have cuv s as their second vehicle. Sure most of us own Cadillacs in addition to corvettes but if their was a sporting corvette cuv...I'd bet a ton of corvette owners would keep their low mileage garage queens and add that corvette cuv for bragging rights ..

Although I agree porsche makes beautiful interiors the cost of operation on these german cars and cuvs ridiculous...especially out of warranty..
Say what you will about American made products like corvette...I believe these vehicles made by GM are pretty much change the oil add gas and go vehicles....

I love that feature about American cars...American manufacturers understand American car ownership...most of us are pretty much glad we remember to change the oil...

The upkeep of older german cars like the BMW s is ridiculous...

American car and trucks are built for minimal care by their owners..

I also believe GM powertrains are among the best in the world..

Interestingly enough..I think an all electric corvette cuv would kick butt on the porsche Macan....in performance and handling.

I consider the porsches Macan one of the finest marketing moves in he industry..

GM would do well to follow suit but use an all electric power train to get tesla model S ludicrious mode levels of performance ce..

It would shine on the entire GM lineup.

That's all just ridiculous speculation on my part but it would be a goldmine move..

I also believe corvette owners would buy a corvette cuv for themselves a son a daily driver or for their spouses..

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Totally agree about German cars. Bought a three year old SL550 for less than half it's original price and dumped it after six months because the repairs, if it had been out of warranty, would have been $22K.

Unfortunately, the general perception of non-Corvette people is that the car is shoddy. I know it's not true but in some instances, those that matter most to buyers of expensive luxury SUV's or sedans, it is true: interior quality, fit/finish, rattles. Whether these issues would be addressed or not doesn't matter. There's not enough time, money, or potential buyers to back such a venture with so many other choices already in place. It would be a completely unnecessary vehicle for GM. Unlike Porsche and their decision to build SUV's, GM already has many to choose from. It would, however, be interesting to see what Corvette engineers might come up with.
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GM does already have brands even entire divisions to sell cuv s...you are absolutely correct.

My one suggestion would be to consider the present path of CUV s.

For what it's worth I see a movement to segmentation of the cuv market as the sedan market begins to shrink and that segmentation will include SPORTS cuvs.

I think it will be one of the hottest segments and carry a lot of profitability for the manufacturers..

I see the Porsche Macan as a leader in the sports cuv market...

Road biased with sports car like performance.

I could be wrong but that's my opinion and why I feel that GM would be well served creating a derivative really high performance cuv should be under the corvette brand especially if GM produces a front and rear mid engine corvette two seater.

I think the sedan could be bypassed and left to the Cadillac v team...but the cuv could be shared by Cadillac, GMC and corvette brands..

The number of corvette owners and corvette enthusiasts is HUGE. I live in Mercedes, BMW,jaguar , Audi country. AMG models are a dime a dozen...porsches are like candy bars ...all over the place..what people love..believe it or not is corvettes..

I'm always getting thumbs up and compliments on my corvette..I'm literally known for being the guy with the beautiful black corvette....it's fun..

I can't tell you how many people would love to have a corvette that I meet with the exception that it's a two seater...

It's clearly not the cost because corvettes even the top of the line are chump change towhat most of these men and women are driving.,.

I believe the perception of guidos, gold chains or lack of quality are long gone for most of the American public...out side the Internet forums that is..

In the real world the corvette is revered by those not owning competitive yet much more expensive yet slower sports cars and even some of those guys dig vetted.

I'm obviously not running GM much less the corvette marketing and production team but if I were....and they decide front and rear mid engine corvettes..

I'd produce an all electric cuv to compete with the ICE Porsche Macan and I'd blow the Macan out of the water with the electric power train and insane acceleration.

I'd share the platform with GMC , a professional grade model, I'd share the stretched platform with Cadillac and have a heavy interior luxury model and similiar performance. And of course I'd give a stretched platform to Buick as well but more along the powertrains of the basic Chevy version but awd.

The Chevy version I'd do fwd and least expsensive price..

Well that's how I'd use the corvette brand if in fact it became more than just a front engine sports car..

I'd also do it at the same time as releasing the rear mid engine car....to t along side the front mid engine car...the showroom and internet traffic will be massive...

That would be a lot of eyes looking at a sports cuv...

If GM can't do the battery powered one fast enough...a ICE model following the same shared platform model would work too..leaving off the base Chevy version ..if they like..stretching the length and focus of cuv sis easy...

Just give the corvette team the smallest most powerful version.,,

If they can sell corvette clothes, mugs, stool, underwear, flags, jewelry, towels , beds, bed sheets for decades..they can sell a corvette cuv s who would love to own a corvette but can't because it's only got two seats...a real Macan competitor from corvette would be a huge hit..

Just remember to price under the Macan ...it's a little pricey.,,.closer to the jaguar f pace would be smart...
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Old 08-11-2017, 10:26 AM   #43
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It horrifies me that people watch that street speed 717 24yr old fool that just became a Corvette guy 1yr ago and built a youtube channel from it.

It's a Corvette people...it's the next level, its how to "increase bandwidth" of the Corvette lineup, by adding models. Look at Porsche...it's pretty simple. Could they survive just selling Carrera's, sure, but why stop there? Could they just have the GT3, sure...but why stop there...they build 911r, GT2, GT3RS, GTS, Targa, etc.

Cadillac is running it's first year in DPi in Weathertech...with the WEC losing LMP1 cars, it opens the door for DPi model to go worldwide...possibly. Cadillac is building it's base of enthusiasts and building that brand...the ME will come later for them. You're not going to pull European mid engine sports car and Porsche fanatics with a Cadillac...let's be real here, please. It's a Corvette or a limited production, standalone model with it's own name using Corvette components called Zora or something of the sort.

You don't put investment into something with a myriad of unknowns. Cadillac is FAR from being a brand that just needs to walk out on the lot with some ME sports car. That's be like Buick needing a halo and saying, hey guys...check this out, make granpy proud.
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It horrifies me that people watch that street speed 717 24yr old fool that just became a Corvette guy 1yr ago and built a youtube channel from it.

It's a Corvette people...it's the next level, its how to "increase bandwidth" of the Corvette lineup, by adding models. Look at Porsche...it's pretty simple. Could they survive just selling Carrera's, sure, but why stop there? Could they just have the GT3, sure...but why stop there...they build 911r, GT2, GT3RS, GTS, Targa, etc.

Cadillac is running it's first year in DPi in Weathertech...with the WEC losing LMP1 cars, it opens the door for DPi model to go worldwide...possibly. Cadillac is building it's base of enthusiasts and building that brand...the ME will come later for them. You're not going to pull European mid engine sports car and Porsche fanatics with a Cadillac...let's be real here, please. It's a Corvette or a limited production, standalone model with it's own name using Corvette components called Zora or something of the sort.

You don't put investment into something with a myriad of unknowns. Cadillac is FAR from being a brand that just needs to walk out on the lot with some ME sports car. That's be like Buick needing a halo and saying, hey guys...check this out, make granpy proud.
Why do you think Cadillac has the 640 HP CTS-V?

Straight from Cadillac's official website

"TAKE IT STRAIGHT TO THE TRACK
Bred for the track, but certified for the road. A refined daily driver, the CTS-V is derived from track competition and designed to be track-capable from the factory."

Why do you think Cadillac has the 464 HP ATS-V?

Neither model is for grandpa and grandma to drive around their assisted living retirement community.

Cadillac is targeting the younger performance minded individual, just as Mercedes AMG and Porsche has, and a mid engine sports car fits right in with what they are attempting to accomplish.

The Corvette already has it's following, as does the Camaro.

The mid engine Cadillac is an upscale car as the Corvette and the Camaro already has the grey hairs and the rednecks covered.

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Old 08-11-2017, 02:03 PM   #45
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GM does already have brands even entire divisions to sell cuv s...you are absolutely correct.

My one suggestion would be to consider the present path of CUV s.

For what it's worth I see a movement to segmentation of the cuv market as the sedan market begins to shrink and that segmentation will include SPORTS cuvs.

I think it will be one of the hottest segments and carry a lot of profitability for the manufacturers..

I see the Porsche Macan as a leader in the sports cuv market...

Road biased with sports car like performance.

I could be wrong but that's my opinion and why I feel that GM would be well served creating a derivative really high performance cuv should be under the corvette brand especially if GM produces a front and rear mid engine corvette two seater.

I think the sedan could be bypassed and left to the Cadillac v team...but the cuv could be shared by Cadillac, GMC and corvette brands..

The number of corvette owners and corvette enthusiasts is HUGE. I live in Mercedes, BMW,jaguar , Audi country. AMG models are a dime a dozen...porsches are like candy bars ...all over the place..what people love..believe it or not is corvettes..

I'm always getting thumbs up and compliments on my corvette..I'm literally known for being the guy with the beautiful black corvette....it's fun..

I can't tell you how many people would love to have a corvette that I meet with the exception that it's a two seater...

It's clearly not the cost because corvettes even the top of the line are chump change towhat most of these men and women are driving.,.

I believe the perception of guidos, gold chains or lack of quality are long gone for most of the American public...out side the Internet forums that is..

In the real world the corvette is revered by those not owning competitive yet much more expensive yet slower sports cars and even some of those guys dig vetted.

I'm obviously not running GM much less the corvette marketing and production team but if I were....and they decide front and rear mid engine corvettes..

I'd produce an all electric cuv to compete with the ICE Porsche Macan and I'd blow the Macan out of the water with the electric power train and insane acceleration.

I'd share the platform with GMC , a professional grade model, I'd share the stretched platform with Cadillac and have a heavy interior luxury model and similiar performance. And of course I'd give a stretched platform to Buick as well but more along the powertrains of the basic Chevy version but awd.

The Chevy version I'd do fwd and least expsensive price..

Well that's how I'd use the corvette brand if in fact it became more than just a front engine sports car..

I'd also do it at the same time as releasing the rear mid engine car....to t along side the front mid engine car...the showroom and internet traffic will be massive...

That would be a lot of eyes looking at a sports cuv...

If GM can't do the battery powered one fast enough...a ICE model following the same shared platform model would work too..leaving off the base Chevy version ..if they like..stretching the length and focus of cuv sis easy...

Just give the corvette team the smallest most powerful version.,,

If they can sell corvette clothes, mugs, stool, underwear, flags, jewelry, towels , beds, bed sheets for decades..they can sell a corvette cuv s who would love to own a corvette but can't because it's only got two seats...a real Macan competitor from corvette would be a huge hit..

Just remember to price under the Macan ...it's a little pricey.,,.closer to the jaguar f pace would be smart...

Porsche is on track to sell maybe about 20K Macans per year. Good numbers for a comparatively small company....for GM, that's barely a blip. GM has already sold 65K Acadia's this year...a vehicle that offers none of the prestige, quality, or performance of the Porsche.....but it sure is making money for GM.

And that's the bottom line. GM has enough headaches right now without worrying about launching another brand and hoping enthusiasts will come out in droves to offset the incredible investment it would be.

It is a bad idea? Not for those of us who sit home and armchair quarterback for a company like GM. What would the GM beancounters say? "Not enough potential profit in it for us to take the risk." We're lucky that GM still has commitment to Corvette but it's not the cash cow that keeps the company afloat. Expanding the Corvette into a brand at this point would just be playing catch up for GM....again.

I think GM's resources need to go into developing cars with Tesla like technology and performance. I'd love to see a hybrid or even an all-electric Corvette with 900 lbs/tq. So far their hybrid ventures have been less than thrilling, although I liked the design of the Cadillac ELR.
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It's a vette. However, we won't see it for a long time. They will no take the wraps off while still trying to sell C7s. That would be ridiculously stupid. They still need to sell C7s. We will see it toward the end of the final model year for the C7. My guess sometime late 2019 or 2020. They are not done milking the C7 yet. No way this thing is introduced anytime soon.
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Porsche is on track to sell maybe about 20K Macans per year. Good numbers for a comparatively small company....for GM, that's barely a blip. GM has already sold 65K Acadia's this year...a vehicle that offers none of the prestige, quality, or performance of the Porsche.....but it sure is making money for GM.

And that's the bottom line. GM has enough headaches right now without worrying about launching another brand and hoping enthusiasts will come out in droves to offset the incredible investment it would be.

It is a bad idea? Not for those of us who sit home and armchair quarterback for a company like GM. What would the GM beancounters say? "Not enough potential profit in it for us to take the risk." We're lucky that GM still has commitment to Corvette but it's not the cash cow that keeps the company afloat. Expanding the Corvette into a brand at this point would just be playing catch up for GM....again.

I think GM's resources need to go into developing cars with Tesla like technology and performance. I'd love to see a hybrid or even an all-electric Corvette with 900 lbs/tq. So far their hybrid ventures have been less than thrilling, although I liked the design of the Cadillac ELR.

POrsche is one of the most profitable car companies...I don't think GM moving its boutique brand corvette closer in ideology with small sporty cuv s..

I believe GM should produce an electric ev based cuv in the same vein as the Porsche Macan and the upcoming jaguar I pace.

This new segment of sports cars that are cuv s will be extremely profitable and popular...

Consumers are going to go completely insane for soft road high performance 4 door sports cars ...

Lamborghini, Maserati, maybe even Ferrari are all coming out with sports car like cuv s.

Corvette brand would give credence to a four door soft roader sports cuv.
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You may be on to something there....
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POrsche is one of the most profitable car companies...I don't think GM moving its boutique brand corvette closer in ideology with small sporty cuv s..

I believe GM should produce an electric ev based cuv in the same vein as the Porsche Macan and the upcoming jaguar I pace.

This new segment of sports cars that are cuv s will be extremely profitable and popular...

Consumers are going to go completely insane for soft road high performance 4 door sports cars ...

Lamborghini, Maserati, maybe even Ferrari are all coming out with sports car like cuv s.

Corvette brand would give credence to a four door soft roader sports cuv.
You may be absolutely right, but I have no interest in such a vehicle so I'm probably the wrong to guy to ever see that vision. I do think the car business will change more than it ever has in the next 10 years as cutting edge technology and marketing are creating new business models for car production and sales everyday.
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I love reading these threads. Now we're believing transport drivers!!!!


This is better than watching TMZ.
Indeed.

Besides, Jags (Jeremy) has the whole scoop on this thing. What a joke....listening to the truck driver!


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You've got to be really delusional to think the mid engine car is actually a Corvette, or a real simpleton.

I think that Chevy would have a hard time building a business case to make a car on that platform. It'd be very expensive and dilute the image of the Caddy. I don't think it makes sense to cheapen the image of the Caddy for basically no sales. Anyone who could afford the Chevy mid engine would probably just buy the Caddy.

Wow! I guess I must be a real simpleton, because I don't think that I am delusional. Or possibly, or more likely probably, I am a lot less of a simpleton than are you. Your logic is completely illogical. There is zero chance that the mid engine car seen testing is a caddy. Corvette and Cadillac have 2 completely different images and appeal to 2 completely different buyers. The mid engine car is a true sports car, and caddy does not sell sports cars. They do sell sporty coupes to compete with BMW, Mercedes, Audi & Lexus, but they don't sell cars to compete with Porsche, etc. If GM, next year or in 2 years, took 2 identical mid engine cars that will be the new mid engine GM product, put the word Corvette on one and Cadillac on the other, put them side by side, both with identical MSRP's, which one would your typical sports car owner buy? If you say Cadillac, you, my friend, are delusional.
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I like the idea of expanding the corvette brand, but I doubt GM would do it. I think what sets the corvette brand appart is that it is a perenial perfomance for the price leader. if you concentrate on delivering that by cutting just the right corners, GM might be able to make it a popular brand. Profitable may take something more.

This is how I would do it. I would introduce the ME car while still offering the clasic model. Then I would make a Miata competitor. I would apply the covette formula to a small car. Fiberglass body on a seperate frame; engin in front trans in theback; double A-arms on all corners; put the big engine in the base model, a 6 cylinder; offer coup and vert. Maybe produce a rally car. If robust enough use the rally platform for a perfomance cuv. It would be good to fold the Camaro into the brand.
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The Miata REALITY is very different from the Miata PERCEPTION

Here's how the NEW Miata is doing in the U.S.:

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html



And it's Fiat 124 running mate:

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2015/10...ly-yearly.html

Together, they sell HALF what the C7 does. Why would GM do this? The Miata a great sports car....but it doesn't remotely pull it's weight, sales wise, at least in the U.S.

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The trucks rolled out of Bowling Green today for the last time until November. One of the last deliveries made was a Carbon 65 Grand Sport to a Pennsylvania dealer, but that wasn't the only exclusive thing dropped off. According to the driver, according to the dealer(who's an honest guy), the mid-engine car we've been seeing is in fact a Cadillac. Take this as you will, because nobody knows what the truck driver knows and doesn't know. If it is true, we're going to see one heck of a front-engine C8, and Cadillac will have a crazy halo car to go along with the 6-10 new models they'll be rolling out soon.


Skip along to 6:58 in this video to hear the short conversation between a C7 Z06 owner and the dealer. https://youtu.be/lppr8lk9D3o

What are your thoughts?



I think that a mid-engine Cadillac makes sense from a financial, marketing, and hierarchy standpoint. Caddy is the top dog at GM, and they have a ton of new models rolling out by 2020 to take on everything the Germans offer. They also replaced Corvette in the Daytona Prototypes.

As for what it would mean on the Corvette side of things, a C8 would have to come by 2020 or 2021. If 2018 MY production restarts in November, the ZR1(which is clearly towards the end of R/D and testing) would make perfect sense as a Mid-2018 MY car. As long as the C7 is selling, GM will be making lots of money from it.
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The trucks rolled out of Bowling Green today for the last time until November. One of the last deliveries made was a Carbon 65 Grand Sport to a Pennsylvania dealer, but that wasn't the only exclusive thing dropped off. According to the driver, according to the dealer(who's an honest guy), the mid-engine car we've been seeing is in fact a Cadillac. Take this as you will, because nobody knows what the truck driver knows and doesn't know. If it is true, we're going to see one heck of a front-engine C8, and Cadillac will have a crazy halo car to go along with the 6-10 new models they'll be rolling out soon.


Skip along to 6:58 in this video to hear the short conversation between a C7 Z06 owner and the dealer. https://youtu.be/lppr8lk9D3o

What are your thoughts?



I think that a mid-engine Cadillac makes sense from a financial, marketing, and hierarchy standpoint. Caddy is the top dog at GM, and they have a ton of new models rolling out by 2020 to take on everything the Germans offer. They also replaced Corvette in the Daytona Prototypes.

As for what it would mean on the Corvette side of things, a C8 would have to come by 2020 or 2021. If 2018 MY production restarts in November, the ZR1(which is clearly towards the end of R/D and testing) would make perfect sense as a Mid-2018 MY car. As long as the C7 is selling, GM will be making lots of money from it.
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Just look at Johan de Nysschen's track record at Audi and the R10.

Not sayin he's a one trick pony but he was successful there and isn't likely to change at Cadillac....which is most probably why they brought him onboard. Just sayin......
Maybe, but this is the guy that thinks SRX to XT5 & CTS to CT6 was a necessary move... Like having 2 Letters and a number is somehow an improvement over 3 letters... did he bring the design team with him? Cause maybe it wasn't All him... tho I bet he thinks so...
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