North American Engine Forecast 2016-2024
#21
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I believe all the Gen IV and Gen V engines will be DI, the days of a non FI engine If you mean fuel injection are long over. Direct Injection variable valve timing, DOHC appears to be the current trend at least within GM
#22
Sorry, my acronym was meant to indicate Forced Induction, my bad.
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My translation was not the best either, I am confident the 4.2L DOHC engine is Twin Turbo, or let me say at least the Cadillac iteration was intended as that. The charts seem to show the Cadillac dropped from the production numbers, which is confusing. I would have bet quite a sum of money that Cadillac was going to offer a 4.2L DOHC TT engine in their new sports sedan, I also am pretty sure it is not mid engine.
personally I would love a DOHC hi revving twin turbo 4.2L V8 and a larger 5.5 version of the same.
personally I would love a DOHC hi revving twin turbo 4.2L V8 and a larger 5.5 version of the same.
#24
The Cadillac thing confuses me too.
Back in January, the head guy said a 2 seat high-performer would be its halo car.
I guess something changed....
Back in January, the head guy said a 2 seat high-performer would be its halo car.
I guess something changed....
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I might look at this information another way.
After the intro of the 2020 ME, the C7 will continue for a couple more years, but only the high end versions: the Z06 and ZR1. The base C7 and GS will go away to be replaced by the ME as the "entry" level car....priced a bit less than the current GS. By then, sales for the base C7 will be dismal. No need to keep it around as it will be old news when compared with the new ME.
IMHO, it makes no sense to introduce a high end ME right away to compete with the ZR1 in both performance and price. The C7 is gone after 2021 and the ME then offers higher performance versions, hence the two engines.
As far as what might be the second car built at BG after the C7 dies, it could be a new front engined Corvette or Cadillac......or something else entirely.
After the intro of the 2020 ME, the C7 will continue for a couple more years, but only the high end versions: the Z06 and ZR1. The base C7 and GS will go away to be replaced by the ME as the "entry" level car....priced a bit less than the current GS. By then, sales for the base C7 will be dismal. No need to keep it around as it will be old news when compared with the new ME.
IMHO, it makes no sense to introduce a high end ME right away to compete with the ZR1 in both performance and price. The C7 is gone after 2021 and the ME then offers higher performance versions, hence the two engines.
As far as what might be the second car built at BG after the C7 dies, it could be a new front engined Corvette or Cadillac......or something else entirely.
I think this is GM's approach because it reflects the way Corvette became the marketing force it is today. Back in the late 60s and early 70s Corvette was priced so that an average college grad with a decent starting salary could afford one. The smart shopper could pick up a new Corvette for about half their annual gross income. Contrast that with today where you would have to make $100,000 gross income to match that scenario. Not a lot of folks getting that income right out of school. IMHO, we're about to see Corvette reach out to a new generation of buyers, getting them hooked on the Corvette the way many of us older buyers were years ago. That's what I think will happen.
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What you propose may be correct, but I have a different opinion. I think it's the wide body Corvettes that go away. I believe we are going to witness an entirely new marketing approach by GM. I think Corvette will go back to it's roots while also maintaining a top end, world class sports car. They'll need two platforms to do this. One, the C7 will be the lower priced platform. We may even see the base C7 MSRP drop substantially, making Corvette affordable by an entirely new generation of buyers. The C7 will be replaced by the C8, another affordable, front engine sports car that successfully competes with the low end Porsche line up. The ME car will compete with higher end, high performance sports cars. It will open at a price point where the GS is today, maybe a little higher.
I think this is GM's approach because it reflects the way Corvette became the marketing force it is today. Back in the late 60s and early 70s Corvette was priced so that an average college grad with a decent starting salary could afford one. The smart shopper could pick up a new Corvette for about half their annual gross income. Contrast that with today where you would have to make $100,000 gross income to match that scenario. Not a lot of folks getting that income right out of school. IMHO, we're about to see Corvette reach out to a new generation of buyers, getting them hooked on the Corvette the way many of us older buyers were years ago. That's what I think will happen.
I think this is GM's approach because it reflects the way Corvette became the marketing force it is today. Back in the late 60s and early 70s Corvette was priced so that an average college grad with a decent starting salary could afford one. The smart shopper could pick up a new Corvette for about half their annual gross income. Contrast that with today where you would have to make $100,000 gross income to match that scenario. Not a lot of folks getting that income right out of school. IMHO, we're about to see Corvette reach out to a new generation of buyers, getting them hooked on the Corvette the way many of us older buyers were years ago. That's what I think will happen.
Could be! I guess we’ll find out soon enough.
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Exactly what will happen, after the 2021, V8s will go away, V6 with turbo will be used, and electric or hybrids will start taking hold.
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Perhaps not especially germane to this discussion, but I wish Chevrolet would adopt, as Porsche did some years ago, a marketing campaign to promote the idea that an "Entry Level" Corvette is a used Corvette.
Hopefully that would help maintain more value in the market place - thus, lower depreciation. The primary reason I am not in he market for a new Corvette is because the value of my low-mileage C6 is worth only about a third of the price of a new base C7.
Hopefully that would help maintain more value in the market place - thus, lower depreciation. The primary reason I am not in he market for a new Corvette is because the value of my low-mileage C6 is worth only about a third of the price of a new base C7.
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Did everyone miss that the platform snapshot says the maximum horsepower for the range of engines is 850 and maximum torque is 720 lb/ft?
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Thank you “rsinor” for finding and posting the NA Engine forecast. I have been closely reading pages 130-133 and there is a lot of powerful information in there.
Using the great info provided by the OP and other things in this thread, I wrote a new thread which expands this subject into the Corvette’s future, including the C7’s future, the ME’s three different engines, etc., here:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...gh-2021-a.html
Using the great info provided by the OP and other things in this thread, I wrote a new thread which expands this subject into the Corvette’s future, including the C7’s future, the ME’s three different engines, etc., here:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...gh-2021-a.html
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I really wish they would not go the Asian/Euro type route of small engines with overhead cams and lots of valves. Those engines do not have the low end grunt I like to feel when I push on the gas pedal.
Last edited by mikelj; 11-29-2017 at 10:01 AM.
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Originally Posted by mikelj
I really wish they would not go the Asian/Euro type route of small engines with overhead cams and lots of valves. Those engines do not have the low end grunt I like to feel when I push on the gas pedal.
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Here's what I don't understand. They only list one engine for the Y1 corvette(front engine) ..is that the LT1,LT4 or LT5?
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I might look at this information another way.
After the intro of the 2020 ME, the C7 will continue for a couple more years, but only the high end versions: the Z06 and ZR1. The base C7 and GS will go away to be replaced by the ME as the "entry" level car....priced a bit less than the current GS. By then, sales for the base C7 will be dismal. No need to keep it around as it will be old news when compared with the new ME.
IMHO, it makes no sense to introduce a high end ME right away to compete with the ZR1 in both performance and price. The C7 is gone after 2021 and the ME then offers higher performance versions, hence the two engines.
As far as what might be the second car built at BG after the C7 dies, it could be a new front engined Corvette or Cadillac......or something else entirely.
After the intro of the 2020 ME, the C7 will continue for a couple more years, but only the high end versions: the Z06 and ZR1. The base C7 and GS will go away to be replaced by the ME as the "entry" level car....priced a bit less than the current GS. By then, sales for the base C7 will be dismal. No need to keep it around as it will be old news when compared with the new ME.
IMHO, it makes no sense to introduce a high end ME right away to compete with the ZR1 in both performance and price. The C7 is gone after 2021 and the ME then offers higher performance versions, hence the two engines.
As far as what might be the second car built at BG after the C7 dies, it could be a new front engined Corvette or Cadillac......or something else entirely.
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I believe so, especially if the ME is roughly 500 HP, and the Z’s are 650 and 755 HP respectively. Especially if the ME were only available with a DCT (and the manual is continued as an option for both the Z’s). Also if the ME does not have the trunk space for the proverbial second golf club bag, and/or the ME is not yet offered as a convertible that year.
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