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Old 11-08-2017, 05:35 PM
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Why would a cancelled Cadillac option be celebrated?

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what is interesting is that it probably indicates 2 c8 models, one with a 4.2 and one with a 5.5

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How about a 5.5L engine like our current LT1’s, though a little downsized a la the C7.R’s to 5.5L, being the the roughly 500 HP version for an entry 2020 ME; and,

A 2021 or 2022 ZORA ME having a twin-stage, twin turbo, DOHC, V-8 of 4.2L, say around 800 HP.

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what is interesting is that it probably indicates 2 c8 models, one with a 4.2 and one with a 5.5
Yeah, both likely to be twin turbos.
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Originally Posted by rsinor View Post
Latest fourth Quarter report shows some very interesting stuff.

6.2L OHV production through 2021 in Y1 Corvette, 4.2L DOHC production in Y2 Corvette 2019 through 2024 report only goes through 2024. Also 5.5L DOHC Y2 Corvette 2019 through 2024 report only goes to 2024. 4.2L DOHC listed in Cadillac "Sports" and CT6 zero production expectation through 2024 - that tells me the Cadillac option got cancelled.
I read this as the C7 continues through MY 2021. The ME car gets introduced in 2019 as a MY2020 and is manufactured along with the C7 for 2 years. This agrees with the documents filed by the panel manufacturer. No change.
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I read this as the C7 continues through MY 2021. The ME car gets introduced in 2019 as a MY2020 and is manufactured along with the C7 for 2 years. This agrees with the documents filed by the panel manufacturer. No change.
No change, correct. But it also helps confirm production runs because as you said "This agrees with the documents filed by the panel manufacturer"
With the duality of the C7 FE and the ME car at the same time, the ME seems likely to have a higher price point (that I can't afford) and I think I can be content with my C7 for awhile, until used MEs are at a lower price point.
It looks like they will milk the C7 platform for all they can, maybe a cosmetic refesh in a year or two, perhaps taking some cues from the ZR1
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No change, correct. But it also helps confirm production runs because as you said "This agrees with the documents filed by the panel manufacturer"
With the duality of the C7 FE and the ME car at the same time, the ME seems likely to have a higher price point (that I can't afford) and I think I can be content with my C7 for awhile, until used MEs are at a lower price point.
It looks like they will milk the C7 platform for all they can, maybe a cosmetic refesh in a year or two, perhaps taking some cues from the ZR1

I think you're calling it right. Corvette will split into two platforms making Corvette better able to compete with Porsche. I think you're correct about the refresh on the C7 too. I thought we'd see some changes for the 2018 MY, but that didn't happen. Going to be some exciting times over the next three years.
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There is another way to read this, that if GM removed the 6.2 for the 2020 MY, it will be hard and fast evidence that the C7 is over — evidence that they do not want to publicly yet acknowledge.

Keeping a paper and pencil placeholder to disguise your actual, upcoming actions, is a smart plan employed by many car manufacturers.
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Im guessing the 4.2 is going to be a 6
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Originally Posted by rsinor View Post
Latest fourth Quarter report shows some very interesting stuff.

6.2L OHV production through 2021 in Y1 Corvette, 4.2L DOHC production in Y2 Corvette 2019 through 2024 report only goes through 2024. Also 5.5L DOHC Y2 Corvette 2019 through 2024 report only goes to 2024. 4.2L DOHC listed in Cadillac "Sports" and CT6 zero production expectation through 2024 - that tells me the Cadillac option got cancelled.
Do you have a link?
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Im guessing the 4.2 is going to be a 6
Likely. But it also could be a small 8.
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Likely. But it also could be a small 8.
Most likely a 5.5 V8 less 2 cylinders (most economical)
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There is another way to read this, that if GM removed the 6.2 for the 2020 MY, it will be hard and fast evidence that the C7 is over evidence that they do not want to publicly yet acknowledge.

Keeping a paper and pencil placeholder to disguise your actual, upcoming actions, is a smart plan employed by many car manufacturers.
The plant expansion by GM is not paper and pencil.
The plant expansion by the panel manufacturer is not paper and pencil.
Both imply a two platform brand.
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Originally Posted by Soonere39 View Post
No change, correct. But it also helps confirm production runs because as you said "This agrees with the documents filed by the panel manufacturer"
With the duality of the C7 FE and the ME car at the same time, the ME seems likely to have a higher price point (that I can't afford) and I think I can be content with my C7 for awhile, until used MEs are at a lower price point.
It looks like they will milk the C7 platform for all they can, maybe a cosmetic refesh in a year or two, perhaps taking some cues from the ZR1
I might look at this information another way.

After the intro of the 2020 ME, the C7 will continue for a couple more years, but only the high end versions: the Z06 and ZR1. The base C7 and GS will go away to be replaced by the ME as the "entry" level car....priced a bit less than the current GS. By then, sales for the base C7 will be dismal. No need to keep it around as it will be old news when compared with the new ME.

IMHO, it makes no sense to introduce a high end ME right away to compete with the ZR1 in both performance and price. The C7 is gone after 2021 and the ME then offers higher performance versions, hence the two engines.

As far as what might be the second car built at BG after the C7 dies, it could be a new front engined Corvette or Cadillac......or something else entirely.
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No link but I have the .pdf just not sure how to attach it here
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Note also that "Corvette Y2" (C8) intends to use slightly more 6.2L 16 valve engines than the two smaller 32 valve engines put together.
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If I'm reading this right, it says 4.2L and 5.5L DOHC 32V engines starting in 2019.
Does not indicate if they are FI or not?
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