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All these speculations on GM's plans for the corvette is interesting to hear. I remember when GM stop making the corvette foe a while for the lack of sales. Gm has announced that on Jan. 22 2018 they stopped building the 2018 corvette after 4 months. Why is that? Maybe it is true that sales has dropped.
New York Post, published
1) Never believe anything in the NY Post.
Originally Posted by C7ZO6
Corvette is not dying, in fact few of my young frinds and i went from European sports cars to corvette,
i am 37 my frinds are under 35, we bought c7 because it's starting to look like modern sports car, if gm wants to kill the corvette it's very easy, bring back the round tail lights, cheap interior, keep the chrome options, this is what appeals older buyers and they are not getting younger.
I just spent 116k on my z06, if this car still had round tail lights only chrome badges, no suede interior, Porsche company would of taken that money,
so this tell you that young buyers are there and ready, but GM has to make it appealing,
another important part is buying experience, GM is 3 light years behind, in every way on that department, the lady who called to see if I am happy with my car, couldn't even say my name right, she didn't even know if I bought z06, or was it 2017 or 18, I have the tecorded voice mail she left me, I'll post that for GM to listen. That may fly with some older buyers, but not for younger crowd who knows this age is all about customer service.
older buyers will buy younger mans sports car but younger man will never buy older mans car.
GM needs to pick one side
OK, Space Cowboys, a Uber controlled Volvo SUV just ran over and killed a pedestrian in a crosswalk. Who is going to take care of this person's family ?? After all the hot air and a reported $80B in R&D around the world, exactly what genius thinks a self-driving car that can KILL indicriminently is still a good idea ? Not me. I will not be a pedestrian when these things are running around like berserk R2D2's. You can't make a robot into a sentient being....human drivers have faults, but at least they have souls and (mostly) know better than to run over pedestrians.
Dumb idea, that, I hope, liabilty tort kills in its tracks.
REminds me of a line in the original movie the Road Warrior, "Last of the V8 interceptors..." That movie showed a post apocalyptic world that was dying... hardly the case today. There is a propaganda war against cars and freedom of movement going on and this affect the youth of our time much more than us old farts that know what BS is.
Where are the movies and TV shows about cars and free movement? seems politically incorrect these days.
Guessing this thread will be locked soon, for it is so far off the OP’s question. So to try and return it before then.
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Finding a good service specialist has been an issue for every brand of car. To the degree that a brand’s line up has one or two “speciality vehicles,” even more challenging.
I and many friends have learned that you have to research then choose your Chevy dealer — but that once we do our due diligence, there are very capable dealers that can not service our Corvette very well, and will similarly be able to service our ME’s excellently.
REminds me of a line in the original movie the Road Warrior, "Last of the V8 interceptors..." That movie showed a post apocalyptic world that was dying... hardly the case today. There is a propaganda war against cars and freedom of movement going on and this affect the youth of our time much more than us old farts that know what BS is.
Where are the movies and TV shows about cars and free movement? seems politically incorrect these days.
It seems that it was once important that the advancement of technology was directed towards helping to advance humanity. Today, it just seems that technology is created with no thought given to how it affects people in the real world.
My father used to say, "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should."
OK, Space Cowboys, a Uber controlled Volvo SUV just ran over and killed a pedestrian in a crosswalk. Who is going to take care of this person's family ?? After all the hot air and a reported $80B in R&D around the world, exactly what genius thinks a self-driving car that can KILL indicriminently is still a good idea ? Not me. I will not be a pedestrian when these things are running around like berserk R2D2's. You can't make a robot into a sentient being....human drivers have faults, but at least they have souls and (mostly) know better than to run over pedestrians.
Dumb idea, that, I hope, liabilty tort kills in its tracks.
Not too sure about us knowing better. We human drivers average injuring around 160, and killing 10 pedestrians A DAY. The robots have got a LONG way to go to match our impressive stats.
Not too sure about us knowing better. We human drivers average injuring around 160, and killing 10 pedestrians A DAY. The robots have got a LONG way to go to match our impressive stats.
Not sure yet, who was really at fault, BUT, the machine will definitely kill you if you cross it and it is not in its programmed parameters, where a human, son't ( at least most of the time !
We already have driverless airplanes, it's just not too widely publicized.
OK, Space Cowboys, a Uber controlled Volvo SUV just ran over and killed a pedestrian in a crosswalk. Who is going to take care of this person's family ?? After all the hot air and a reported $80B in R&D around the world, exactly what genius thinks a self-driving car that can KILL indicriminently is still a good idea ? Not me. I will not be a pedestrian when these things are running around like berserk R2D2's. You can't make a robot into a sentient being....human drivers have faults, but at least they have souls and (mostly) know better than to run over pedestrians.
Dumb idea, that, I hope, liabilty tort kills in its tracks.
Let's save the moronic comments until the investigation is done. At present, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to say the self-driving car was at fault. In fact, all available evidence seems to say that the bicyclist was at fault as they were outside the cross-walk when they were hit by the car.
We already have driverless airplanes, it's just not too widely publicized.
I can ask even a moron what an auto pilot is and they will know. Aircraft had auto pilots in the late 20s. The Germans had primitive autonomous flying missiles in the late 30s. V1 used a little propellor that counted a certain amount of revolutions before the pulse jet quit. The altitude was controlled by means of a Wright brothers invention, the press altimeter which was connected to the elevator mechanism. The V2, had an inertial navigation system. A systems that used a series of accelerometers and gyroscopes to determine it's position. In the 1960s, INS reached widespread usage in civilian and military aircraft for worldwide navigation. The Lockheed 1011 was the first airliner to use a fully coupled navigational LASER INS system which included landing and reverse, provided the destination airport was CAT III C certified.
Before GPS in the late 80s, there were other satellite navigations systems used in the late 60s and 70s that could be coupled to the auto pilot. Prior to that, there were auto couples with Omega radio networks and Loran C that you could enter coupled way points that would take you to 50 feet above the runway at your destination. Even early Lear jets that I flew had this system. There were English systems during the war that are still used today, NDB, VORs, localiser and glide slope systems.. Bombers used ground AM radio beacons with their auto pilot systems. Heck, Chinese junks used compasses coupled to their rudders 200BC. My flight director system on my 85 Beech Baron 58 could take me to 50' above the destination runway hands off.
The last SR71 tested the LDS acquisition system. The notches on the nose chines are part of a laser air-data collection system.
It uses laser light instead of air pressure to measure airspeed, yaw, pitch and attitude reference data including angle of attack and sideslip. These notches and other detection sensor locations on the plane, provided information for the systems that are installed on current hypersonic manned spy planes that we know little about which tell of the presence of atmospheric particles at altitudes of 80,000 feet and above where the 'new' Mach V signature aircraft are operating continuously. The system uses six sheets of laser light projected from under the surface. As microscopic-size atmospheric particles passed between the two beams, direction and speed were measured and processed into standard speed and attitude references. But beat this, these secret planes use celestial navigation as their main navigation system, just like Columbus did 500 years ago.
Let's save the moronic comments until the investigation is done. At present, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to say the self-driving car was at fault. In fact, all available evidence seems to say that the bicyclist was at fault as they were outside the cross-walk when they were hit by the car.
To the contrary, pedestrians are almost always in the right of way since they do not possess the "last clear chance to respond". They travel at 1/10 the speed of a car, STABLE GENUIS. This one could be the killer for robot cars, unless such cars are confined to limited access venues, like trains, trams, subways and other forms of mass transportation are today.
Having work extensive on unmanned air vehicles, I can tell you that the blind spot on all unmanned systems is interaction with humans, who are, by nature, unpredictable by any system EXCEPT another human. This is fundamental. Engineers larger do not understand this but Lawyers do. UAV's have been allowed in controlled airspace by limitations on altitude and airspeed, (kind of like golf carts at DisneyWorld).
Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles (UCAVs) are a pipe dream that will never happen because of USC Title 10 - Authorization for the Use of Deadly Force. Unmanned cars that are designed to share the roadways with human drivers, human pedestrians, dogs, cats and other everyday thing will suffer the same fate.
My recently deceased Old School MORON friend, Sir Stephen Hawkings, felt the same way. The issue with automated anything that has to routinely make life-and-death decisions, is that the software can never be good enough to anticipated every possible situation......the regression testing alone makes a deterministic algorithm uneconomical. Non-deterministic algorithms are interesting but can't be certified BECAUSE THEY ARE NON-DETERMINISTIC. Of course, you can argue that if your algorithm is sophisticated enough such that it has Artificial Intelligence (AI), then perhaps certification is unnecessary. the issue with AI, however, is that IT is inherently AMORAL. In lay terms that means that once it is unleashed, in less than two generations we are all batteries feeding the machine in one form amor another, as in "The Matrix". That is not just my opinion, it is also the opinion of Sir Stephen as well,
One more offer, fine - don't bring a pen knife into a gunfight with me.
So......back on track again, if the front engine car is going to live on where are the new updated designs running around with camo of the front and back to hide the new look? Car companies work on new things many years out, I think there would be something out there to see. If they did nothing to it and bring out the mid engine with new styling the C7 will look outdated and most likely only sell in low numbers, no matter how cheep the price is. My 2 cents is the mid engine car will be the Corvette of the future, offered in many flavors from mild to wild, and starting at affordable prices.
Since the capacity of our revised BGA is down to 33,000 units/year with max overtime (per Kai Spande), then BGA could produce 19,000 ME’s/year and 14,000 C7 FE’s/year for a couple of years, and if your and others’ supposition that we will later see a revised FE down the road (say 2022+) is correct, it is way too early for us to see camo’d mules.
If the ME starts at a higher price point, say $85,000, then I believe GM can easily sell a mix of 14,000 units of $58,000 entry SR’s, GS’s, Z06’s, and ZR1’s for the next few years.
By the way, the estimates of 19,000 ME’s and 14,000 FE’s come from the Markit Engine Forecast.
I talked with a top dealer the other day and he estimates that around 1/3 of his Corvette customers are golfers, and they want the capacity to carry two golf bags to the course. I am one who does not think the ME will have anywhere near that cargo capacity, so golfers and more will buy the FE for at least several more years in the much-reduced (say 14K/year) capacity.
Since the capacity of our revised BGA is down to 33,000 units/year with max overtime (per Kai Spande), then BGA could produce 19,000 ME’s/year and 14,000 C7 FE’s/year for a couple of years, and if your and others’ supposition that we will later see a revised FE down the road (say 2022+) is correct, it is way too early for us to see camo’d mules.
If the ME starts at a higher price point, say $85,000, then I believe GM can easily sell a mix of 14,000 units of $58,000 entry SR’s, GS’s, Z06’s, and ZR1’s for the next few years.
By the way, the estimates of 19,000 ME’s and 14,000 FE’s come from the Markit Engine Forecast.
I talked with a top dealer the other day and he estimates that around 1/3 of his Corvette customers are golfers, and they want the capacity to carry two golf bags to the course. I am one who does not think the ME will have anywhere near that cargo capacity, so golfers and more will buy the FE for at least several more years in the much-reduced (say 14K/year) capacity.
I have not played golf since college, and don't intend to start now. BUT, I do like to drive my Corvette on road trips and I don't like to have to wash clothes every other night because I only have 4 cubic feet of cargo space. I really, really like to convenience of having 22.4 cubic feet of cargo space in my FE Z06. Most of my Corvette buddies also like the convenience of having a large cargo space in their FE Corvettes also.
So......back on track again, if the front engine car is going to live on where are the new updated designs running around with camo of the front and back to hide the new look? Car companies work on new things many years out, I think there would be something out there to see. If they did nothing to it and bring out the mid engine with new styling the C7 will look outdated and most likely only sell in low numbers, no matter how cheep the price is. My 2 cents is the mid engine car will be the Corvette of the future, offered in many flavors from mild to wild, and starting at affordable prices.
This was the C7 a year and a half before its reveal. A new front engined car could be out testing hiding under C7 skin right now and no one has noticed.
OK, Space Cowboys, a Uber controlled Volvo SUV just ran over and killed a pedestrian in a crosswalk. Who is going to take care of this person's family ?? After all the hot air and a reported $80B in R&D around the world, exactly what genius thinks a self-driving car that can KILL indicriminently is still a good idea ? Not me. I will not be a pedestrian when these things are running around like berserk R2D2's. You can't make a robot into a sentient being....human drivers have faults, but at least they have souls and (mostly) know better than to run over pedestrians.
Agreed.
I know there is a lot of talk about driverless vehicles these days, but I just don't think the tech is there yet.
Maybe some day...just not now.
I hope, liabilty tort kills in its tracks.
I believe it will.
Juries would have no problem ruling where liability lies.
I have not played golf since college, and don't intend to start now. BUT, I do like to drive my Corvette on road trips and I don't like to have to wash clothes every other night because I only have 4 cubic feet of cargo space. I really, really like to convenience of having 22.4 cubic feet of cargo space in my FE Z06. Most of my Corvette buddies also like the convenience of having a large cargo space in their FE Corvettes also.
This is exactly why I have a hard time believing that they will do away with the front engine car completely. It will greatly reduce the current market for the car, price not withstanding.
The only real reason I could see for the complete switchover would be a complete change in the powertrain program. If GM is getting completely away from pushrod engines, then it would make sense as a DOHC doesn't work in the current platform.
You completely missed my point. The potential mid engine is not a clean sheet sports car. The market is dying for cars like this. Read my post. Besides serving the ego what is gained by coming out with a car like this. It still has a reciprocating engine that is a fossil; it does't matter where the engine is located. Mid engine or not the car is rehashing the past. The market is shrinking for all these cars unless you are a professional sports player or a arab oil sheik. The CEO of GM has also said that GM
intends to phase out gasoline engine cars in the near future. GM has come close several times in the past to terminating the corvette. Look, the corvette is a limited production car with declining sales and an aging demographic. The costs to retool, and design a new mid car are
astronomical. I have seen the many pictures of what appear to be
mid engine prototypes with camo. GM does not give a damn about the enthusiast. They are a high production car company, and the only thing that matters to them are numbers and sales. This company is not stupid. Wouldn't it be ironic if ME comes out as a Cadillac? Certainly a much better demographic!
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