C8 and the future of the Corvette
#241
Burning Brakes
"The median age of a Corvette owner has risen from 54 to 61 during the past 10 years, according to research firm Strategic Vision."
2003 to 2013.
https://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-...173431426.html
I read that it has gone up from 61 to 63 from 2013 to 2017, but I don't remember where I read that number.
To get the average up from 54 to 61 means that one hell of a lot of those owners are well above 61 to get the average up from 54.
Either way, lets compare that number(61 years old for the Corvette in 2013) to another study done in 2014.
Mercedes------------54.6 years old average
Chrysler-------------54.7 years old average
Smart---------------55.3 years old average
Bently---------------56.2 years old average
Jaguar---------------56.6 years old average
Lexus----------------56.9 years old average
Cadillac--------------59.5 years old average
Bugatti--------------59.5 years old average
Buick----------------60.3 years old average
Lincoln--------------61.0 years old average
The Corvette is not listed in the top above top ten BRANDS for average age, as the Corvette is a model and not a brand. They were only looking at brands.
PS-my last new Corvette purchase was a 2009 Z06 when I was 65. I'm now 75 so if I were to buy a new C7 today. I would shift the average even higher. Of the dozen or so friends that have C7's all but four are over 65 and the two youngest(husband and wife that each have a C7 Z06) are in their 50's, very close to 60. 90%+ of my friends with Corvettes(80+ Corvettes) are over 65(and none are younger than 50) and most of them drive C5's and C6's.
I did meet a young man(in his 40's) at a car show(his 20134 C7 was parked nest to my 1964 Corvette) last Fall, but he bought it used, not new.
I've never even seen a 20's something in a new C7. Most that I happen to see on the road are in their 50's and 60's and above.
Is it any wonder why when you see a dozen Corvettes caravanning on a road trip to visit our National Parks, etc, that they want a large cargo area, to hold their walkers, in addition to their luggage.
2003 to 2013.
https://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-...173431426.html
I read that it has gone up from 61 to 63 from 2013 to 2017, but I don't remember where I read that number.
To get the average up from 54 to 61 means that one hell of a lot of those owners are well above 61 to get the average up from 54.
Either way, lets compare that number(61 years old for the Corvette in 2013) to another study done in 2014.
Mercedes------------54.6 years old average
Chrysler-------------54.7 years old average
Smart---------------55.3 years old average
Bently---------------56.2 years old average
Jaguar---------------56.6 years old average
Lexus----------------56.9 years old average
Cadillac--------------59.5 years old average
Bugatti--------------59.5 years old average
Buick----------------60.3 years old average
Lincoln--------------61.0 years old average
The Corvette is not listed in the top above top ten BRANDS for average age, as the Corvette is a model and not a brand. They were only looking at brands.
PS-my last new Corvette purchase was a 2009 Z06 when I was 65. I'm now 75 so if I were to buy a new C7 today. I would shift the average even higher. Of the dozen or so friends that have C7's all but four are over 65 and the two youngest(husband and wife that each have a C7 Z06) are in their 50's, very close to 60. 90%+ of my friends with Corvettes(80+ Corvettes) are over 65(and none are younger than 50) and most of them drive C5's and C6's.
I did meet a young man(in his 40's) at a car show(his 20134 C7 was parked nest to my 1964 Corvette) last Fall, but he bought it used, not new.
I've never even seen a 20's something in a new C7. Most that I happen to see on the road are in their 50's and 60's and above.
Is it any wonder why when you see a dozen Corvettes caravanning on a road trip to visit our National Parks, etc, that they want a large cargo area, to hold their walkers, in addition to their luggage.
Even if it did go from 61 to 63 2014-2018 (I very much doubt it) Wouldn't that mean the c7 has slowed down the trend upward?
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NewYuriCity (04-02-2018)
#242
Burning Brakes
#243
#244
36 here... 5 Corvettes, never bought one new.
21 - 2001 Z06 bought in 2003
27 - 1998 Coupe trackday car
28 - 2003 Vert cruiser
29 - 2001 Z06 built into a full W2W racecar
36 - 2014 C7 Z51 bought 11/2007
21 - 2001 Z06 bought in 2003
27 - 1998 Coupe trackday car
28 - 2003 Vert cruiser
29 - 2001 Z06 built into a full W2W racecar
36 - 2014 C7 Z51 bought 11/2007
#245
Safety Car
1). GM will not again go to two shifts at BG (exception of the paint shop noted below*). Source = Tadge. Why? Because they tried that in the C6 era and GM got its butt kicked. The training cost were humongous, and given that after the first few years of a new gen that there is significant demand drop off, and finally add in that with existing employee contracts, there are either transfer costs back to other GM facilities,lay-off costs, etc., going to a second shift at BGA is, for a Corvette, a financial disaster.
2) Instead as Kai said on August 29th last year, still on a video available on YouTube, considering the total market for sports cars “we have made adjustments to total Plant capacity and have now right sized the Plant for an entire generation.”
GM has finally learned a lesson (another one of Mary Barra’s leadership changes), that you don’t money grub the first year or two of a new model, but plan down the road and rightsize capacity accordingly. Look at the financial incentives (profit diminishing $1 for $1) that GM now is having to juice current sales due to the oversupply of C7’s. In fact just today, new Corvette sales incentives were announced — again directly going against GM’s bottom line.
*Exception to “no two shifts” has been and will be the paint shop. This is necessary to keep the rest of the line going.
3) The current Plant capacity, as a result of last fall’s changes, has changed production capacity from 17.2 units/hour (U/H) to now 11.6 U/H. If one does the math, the basic Plant annual capacity is around 24K/year. As Kai noted, even at “firewall conditions,” the Plant, governed by the Paint shop’s limiting capabilities, is only 14.0 U/H, or roughly 33K/year.
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#246
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by theplatinumog
Very interesting. But that was up until 2013, before the c7 existed.
Even if it did go from 61 to 63 2014-2018 (I very much doubt it) Wouldn't that mean the c7 has slowed down the trend upward?
Even if it did go from 61 to 63 2014-2018 (I very much doubt it) Wouldn't that mean the c7 has slowed down the trend upward?
It hard to say how much is the economy vs the design appealing to a different group.
#247
Team Owner
2014 to 2017(which is the years I said) is four years and the age went up by 2 years(61 to 63) or 3.0 years of age for each year of the calendar.
By my math, the average age increase each year went from 1.25 years during the C6, to 1.33 years during the C7 so that would mean even more old farts vs youngsters are buying C7's each year, then during C6's rein.
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#248
Burning Brakes
2004 to 2013 is ten years and the age went up by 8 years(54 to 61) or 1.25 years of age for each year of the calendar.
2014 to 2017(which is the years I said) is four years and the age went up by 2 years(61 to 63) or 3.0 years of age for each year of the calendar.
By my math, the average age increase each year went from 1.25 years during the C6, to 1.33 years during the C7 so that would mean even more old farts vs youngsters are buying C7's each year, then during C6's rein.
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2014 to 2017(which is the years I said) is four years and the age went up by 2 years(61 to 63) or 3.0 years of age for each year of the calendar.
By my math, the average age increase each year went from 1.25 years during the C6, to 1.33 years during the C7 so that would mean even more old farts vs youngsters are buying C7's each year, then during C6's rein.
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#249
Burning Brakes
#250
Team Owner
#251
Team Owner
#253
I think it's quite arguable that once it becomes evident and demonstrable with mountains of historical data how much safer autonomous cars are than vehicles piloted by humans that another debate will emerge: Should human drivers be banned all together because they present a clear hazard to general safety.
Count on it. I'm 60, I'm glad I probably won't live to see that sad day. Actually, sometimes I fear that I might.
Count on it. I'm 60, I'm glad I probably won't live to see that sad day. Actually, sometimes I fear that I might.
#254
I think it's quite arguable that once it becomes evident and demonstrable with mountains of historical data how much safer autonomous cars are than vehicles piloted by humans that another debate will emerge: Should human drivers be banned all together because they present a clear hazard to general safety.
Count on it. I'm 60, I'm glad I probably won't live to see that sad day. Actually, sometimes I fear that I might.
Count on it. I'm 60, I'm glad I probably won't live to see that sad day. Actually, sometimes I fear that I might.
There was a study done that concluded that if every car on the road had level 2 autonomous tech (auto braking, lane keep, etc...), fatal crashed would decrease by 80%. That alone is closing the gap tremendously and that's not even considering the much better systems we will have in the future.
Banning old cars that don't have autonomous safety features built in or up fitted with them? Sure maybe. Banning all humans driving all together? Not happening.
#255
Burning Brakes
Not going to happen. It may very well be true that autonomous cars will eventually be much safer than human drivers (quite likely actually), but that will only be true when compared to the current un-augmented human drivers. Once autonomous safety features and crash avoidance gets more advanced an becomes standard on every vehicle, the gap between human drivers and self driving gets much smaller and makes the argument to completely ban humans driving very weak and it's not going to happen.
There was a study done that concluded that if every car on the road had level 2 autonomous tech (auto braking, lane keep, etc...), fatal crashed would decrease by 80%. That alone is closing the gap tremendously and that's not even considering the much better systems we will have in the future.
Banning old cars that don't have autonomous safety features built in or up fitted with them? Sure maybe. Banning all humans driving all together? Not happening.
There was a study done that concluded that if every car on the road had level 2 autonomous tech (auto braking, lane keep, etc...), fatal crashed would decrease by 80%. That alone is closing the gap tremendously and that's not even considering the much better systems we will have in the future.
Banning old cars that don't have autonomous safety features built in or up fitted with them? Sure maybe. Banning all humans driving all together? Not happening.
#257
It would be nice to have optional self-driving cars.
Sadly, the tech isn't there yet.
It's almost impossible to program for the endless possibilities in a car driving environment.
Unlimited realities can't be shoehorned into a line of code.
Sadly, the tech isn't there yet.
It's almost impossible to program for the endless possibilities in a car driving environment.
Unlimited realities can't be shoehorned into a line of code.
#258
Instructor
Yes its $3.55 a gallon here in Vegas to fill up my Z06.
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Le Mans Master
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Why not self drive cars? I don't see the problem. Look at the millions stuck in traffic everyday. You think that's fun?
"Oh man! I'm so happy to be here stuck in traffic knowing there's no button in my car that can drive it for me! How terrible would that be!"
"Oh man! I'm so happy to be here stuck in traffic knowing there's no button in my car that can drive it for me! How terrible would that be!"
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