What’s the probability that the C8 will be AWD ?
01-15-2018, 12:56 PM
#21
Race Director
You really can't compare older AWD systems to newer ones. You wouldn't compare older transmissions or any other part of the drivetrain to a newer one. So far four production cars have done the ring in under 7 minutes. 3 of the 4 are AWD cars, that doesn't mean AWD is better though because the one that isn't AWD so far has the fastest time. That doesn't mean RWD is better either. The McLaren 720s while it goes fast in a straight line which all McLaren's do, it wouldn't stand a change at Nuremburg against the Huracan Perforamante, it just doesn't have the areo and isn't setup as a track car like the Performante is. In the end it's whatever the end goal of the manufacture is and how they setup/build the car. Neither is better or worse and both have their advantages and disadvantages.
Do I think the C8 will be AWD, nope, that just seems like to much of an undertaking while also testing a new mid engine design.
Do I think the C8 will be AWD, nope, that just seems like to much of an undertaking while also testing a new mid engine design.
01-15-2018, 12:58 PM
#22
I hope never. AWD may be fast, but sucks as a “Drivers” car. I fing Love oversteer!
Last edited by rb185afm; 01-15-2018 at 12:59 PM.
01-15-2018, 01:01 PM
#23
I know of a lot of people who have pulled the AWD out of their Lambos and Porsche turbos, my 911 turbo was much better on track in my opinion with it removed. The GT2RS was faster around the ring with its RWD than the 918, two completely different cars of course, just saying you don't need AWD to go around a corner fast.
Better drivers can control the "drift" better and can gun it around the track but GM and other manufacturers may opt for the AWD to make the car easier to drive fast for the average driver.? Prob the same thinking about auto vs manual plus the speed of the new autos just make it easier to drive even if not as much fun.
01-15-2018, 01:05 PM
#24
01-15-2018, 01:06 PM
#25
As far as cornering speed goes, the king is F1 cars.
And they have always been RWD.
And they have always been RWD.
Last edited by sunsalem; 01-15-2018 at 01:07 PM.
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01-15-2018, 02:46 PM
#26
I hope the base C8 is NA, RWD, manual.
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01-15-2018, 03:10 PM
#28
At the outset, 0%. Too many other changes that are largely untested already. Also, AWD is kind of hit or miss in the performance car market. It would likely add 15k to what is already going to be a hefty price tag.
If you see Ferrari changing ALL their cars to AWD and the racing circuits go AWD, look for Corvette to follow suit.
If you see Ferrari changing ALL their cars to AWD and the racing circuits go AWD, look for Corvette to follow suit.
01-15-2018, 05:59 PM
#29
01-15-2018, 06:39 PM
#30
Melting Slicks
Originally Posted by sunsalem
Please provide us with a link to this RWD R8 production car.
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01-15-2018, 07:16 PM
#32
Pro
And of course with electric front wheel motors (hybrid), regenerative braking will be possible, contributing to the always important overall energy efficiency.
01-15-2018, 09:46 PM
#33
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ear=2018&Log=0
Too hard to be polite?
01-15-2018, 11:15 PM
#34
Race Director
Pardon my bluntness, but you, sir, have NO CLUE.
You are saying that all of the following cars are not "properly designed":
A mid-engine AWD configuration is IDEAL. There is nothing wrong with a mid-engine Corvette not initially having AWD, but it is most certainly something to aspire to and eventually gain.
I can't wait to hear the loud chorus of the handful of people who inevitably will complain about the added weight of AWD. Those same people complain about the 10 ounces added because I have ventilated seats, so they will be ignored by me every time. The Porsche 918 is one of the fastest (THE fastest?) production car to lap the Nürburgring, and it not only has AWD, but heavy batteries and two different electric motors. The "weight" argument is ridiculous and wrong.
You are saying that all of the following cars are not "properly designed":
- Audi R8
- Bugatti 18/3 Chiron
- Bugatti EB 110
- Bugatti Veyron
- Acura NSX (second generation)
- Lamborghini Aventador
- Lamborghini Diablo
- Lamborghini Huracán
- Lamborghini Murciélago
- Lamborghini Reventón
- Lamborghini Sesto Elemento
- Lamborghini Veneno
- Porsche 918 Spyder
- Trion Nemesis
A mid-engine AWD configuration is IDEAL. There is nothing wrong with a mid-engine Corvette not initially having AWD, but it is most certainly something to aspire to and eventually gain.
I can't wait to hear the loud chorus of the handful of people who inevitably will complain about the added weight of AWD. Those same people complain about the 10 ounces added because I have ventilated seats, so they will be ignored by me every time. The Porsche 918 is one of the fastest (THE fastest?) production car to lap the Nürburgring, and it not only has AWD, but heavy batteries and two different electric motors. The "weight" argument is ridiculous and wrong.
The only real reason for AWD is snow and how many people are going to do that ?
Hybrids like NSX, 918 don’t really count, they have AWD cus they have ICE running an axle & Electric motor driving other axle.
01-16-2018, 09:14 AM
#35
There used to be a time when Corvettes were used year-round up in the snow belt. All the rotted frames we have to deal with are proof of that.
Bought my first AWD a couple months ago, Cadillac cts4. Can't tell you if it is better in the snow and ice yet but I thought it might be of interest the few things I have learned about how a modern awd works. First, to my surprise the front wheels freewheel, meaning while the trans is in park they can be spun and are not locked. Second, on this car the mpg is the same as the standard rwd, performance is also stated to be the same. So it looks like the system is inactive until it's needed. Computers in cars can do some amazing things.
It's my opinion there will not be a Vette awd, I think they would have done it already. Unlike the "old days", it's a rare sight indeed to see a Vette out in the salt and crud with everyone else. These cars by far are most owners second car and I think GM knows that. I certainly would not be opposed to awd if they went that route, probably makes for a safer car under all conditions.
Last edited by car junkie; 01-16-2018 at 09:17 AM.
01-16-2018, 11:56 AM
#36
Race Director
Bought my first AWD a couple months ago, Cadillac cts4. Can't tell you if it is better in the snow and ice yet but I thought it might be of interest the few things I have learned about how a modern awd works. First, to my surprise the front wheels freewheel, meaning while the trans is in park they can be spun and are not locked. Second, on this car the mpg is the same as the standard rwd, performance is also stated to be the same. So it looks like the system is inactive until it's needed. Computers in cars can do some amazing things.
Last edited by rgregory; 01-16-2018 at 11:56 AM.
01-30-2018, 07:30 PM
#38
Safety Car
Pardon my bluntness, but you, sir, have NO CLUE.
You are saying that all of the following cars are not "properly designed":
A mid-engine AWD configuration is IDEAL. There is nothing wrong with a mid-engine Corvette not initially having AWD, but it is most certainly something to aspire to and eventually gain.
I can't wait to hear the loud chorus of the handful of people who inevitably will complain about the added weight of AWD. Those same people complain about the 10 ounces added because I have ventilated seats, so they will be ignored by me every time. The Porsche 918 is one of the fastest (THE fastest?) production car to lap the Nürburgring, and it not only has AWD, but heavy batteries and two different electric motors. The "weight" argument is ridiculous and wrong.
You are saying that all of the following cars are not "properly designed":
- Audi R8
- Bugatti 18/3 Chiron
- Bugatti EB 110
- Bugatti Veyron
- Acura NSX (second generation)
- Lamborghini Aventador
- Lamborghini Diablo
- Lamborghini Huracán
- Lamborghini Murciélago
- Lamborghini Reventón
- Lamborghini Sesto Elemento
- Lamborghini Veneno
- Porsche 918 Spyder
- Trion Nemesis
A mid-engine AWD configuration is IDEAL. There is nothing wrong with a mid-engine Corvette not initially having AWD, but it is most certainly something to aspire to and eventually gain.
I can't wait to hear the loud chorus of the handful of people who inevitably will complain about the added weight of AWD. Those same people complain about the 10 ounces added because I have ventilated seats, so they will be ignored by me every time. The Porsche 918 is one of the fastest (THE fastest?) production car to lap the Nürburgring, and it not only has AWD, but heavy batteries and two different electric motors. The "weight" argument is ridiculous and wrong.
01-31-2018, 08:52 AM
#39
Team Owner
The rear drive electric motor can then be the starter motor, a drive motor and a generator to charge the battery.
02-01-2018, 04:16 PM
#40
Racer
C8 mid engine
I wonder how many corvette owners think about the mid engine ,is it braking away from the traditional corvette we all know and grew with or do they like the change.
Will the first C8 be too expensive for the average corvette owners.
Will the first C8 be too expensive for the average corvette owners.