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Most ME’s do not even offer chrome. Unless GM goes different, losing chrome wheels would be another challenge to an ever-decreasing number of Corvette buyers, i.e., chrome wheels have kept dropping in Corvettes recently, to less than 25% for the last full production year (2017).
That compares to around 50% the last year of the C6.
That ME CAD Ford looking thing sneaking power in GTLM.
Add a cooresponding ME Z51 C7 ZO6 eclipsing production variant.
And he was probably right!
The C7 stuff rolls on chrome wheels and all.
What in the heck does any of this gibberish mean and why do you keep posting nonsense into legitimate conversations? I really wish I could decipher your ramblings.
1. What ME CAD Ford thing is sneaking power? How does something sneak power?
2. What is a ME Z51 C7 Z06? Do you even read what you write and does it actually make sense to you?
My 7 year old son's English lessons require better skill than you display, lol.
What in the heck does any of this gibberish mean and why do you keep posting nonsense into legitimate conversations? I really wish I could decipher your ramblings.
1. What ME CAD Ford thing is sneaking power? How does something sneak power?
2. What is a ME Z51 C7 Z06? Do you even read what you write and does it actually make sense to you?
My 7 year old son's English lessons require better skill than you display, lol.
It's tat darn Nuance stiff agarn!s
C7 ZR1
C8 Z51 (C8R); C7 Z06 and GS gone!
C7 Z51
C7 Base
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If I buy one it would be for the street. Probably put some bolt ons and drive it mildly and a few highway trips. I wouldn't want a DCT for that. I understand the benefits... I just would rather have a slower more enjoyable manual.
only automatic (DCT) car Ive tracked in the last 17 years of me tracking cars was a nissan GTR.. fast and fun at 1st... but it did get boring..I traded it for a porsche with a manual..way slower but way more fun..
That said, I would take a ferrari 458 or huracan performante with a DCT/auto.. huge sound and paddles on the column..
If they do a DCT/auto... they will still put the paddles on the steering wheel which I personally hate
The mid-engine car will be paddle shift only, I base that on what is not seen in the CAD pictures..
This is a Lamborghini Huracan, they are DCT only.
And this is the mid-engine Corvette.
Look at the top of their central tunnels, and what they're both missing. Neither have a hole, or any sort of provisions for a shift lever mounted between the seats.
There won't be a hole there as the transmission is not there, it is behind the rear axle, it will be cable or hard links back to the transmission, also... the yellow circle on the C8 is a hole... just saying.
There won't be a hole there as the transmission is not there, it is behind the rear axle, it will be cable or hard links back to the transmission, also... the yellow circle on the C8 is a hole... just saying.
The C5, the C6 nor the C7 had the transmission located in the front of the tunnel as they had the transmission located behind the passenger compartment, yet there was hole for the shift linkage to pass through.
Here is the C6's driveline and you can see that the shifter is mounted to the top of the torque tube, with the shift linkage going to the transmission. The center tunnel had a rectangular hole for the shifter to pass through.
Here is the C5 showing the same thing.
As you can see, it requires a pretty large hole in the top of the center tunnel for the shifter boot, etc.
And lastly, the C7 that clearly shows the large rectangular hole in the center tunnel for the shift lever to pass through..
The C5, the C6 nor the C7 had the transmission located in the front of the tunnel as they had the transmission located behind the passenger compartment, yet there was hole for the shift linkage to pass through.
Here is the C6's driveline and you can see that the shifter is mounted to the top of the torque tube, with the shift linkage going to the transmission. The center tunnel had a rectangular hole for the shifter to pass through.
Here is the C5 showing the same thing.
As you can see, it requires a pretty large hole in the top of the center tunnel for the shifter boot, etc.
And lastly, the C7 that clearly shows the large rectangular hole in the center tunnel for the shift lever to pass through..
Just saying....
A mid-rear has the transaxle behind the motor and diff. As such a shift rod like the C5/6/7 won't work. It will be cable actuated which doesn't need the big hole.
A mid-rear has the transaxle behind the motor and diff. As such a shift rod like the C5/6/7 won't work. It will be cable actuated which doesn't need the big hole.
True that a cable is all that will be needed, but the cable will have to run through the center tunnel, and the lower shift linkage will most likely be located within the center tunnel, thus only the shift lever will extend through into the passenger compartment. It will require some type of opening for the shift lever to move forward/backward and left/right while shifting gears. I don't think you want to have the shift cable and 100% of the shifter mechanism mounted on top of the center tunnel.
True that a cable is all that will be needed, but the cable will have to run through the center tunnel, and the lower shift linkage will most likely be located within the center tunnel, thus only the shift lever will extend through into the passenger compartment. It will require some type of opening for the shift lever to move forward/backward and left/right while shifting gears. I don't think you want to have the shift cable and 100% of the shifter mechanism mounted on top of the center tunnel.
My Cayman's shifter box and cables sit on top of the "tunnel", but it's so low it works fine. With the height of a C5, C6, C7, and apparently the mid engined car's central tunnel putting the whole mechanism on top would be out of the question. The shifter **** would end up being way too high.
Any type shifter would be mounted in the area I've circled. There's no bolt holes, or mounting studs for anything shown in the drawing.
Too many variables to call it from the CAD. No one knows how high the center tunnel is. In addition, you could engineer a lower profile shifter, or you could mount it on the dash like 2000s Civic SI/rally car.
I'm not worried. There is no way GM abandons the manual market.
Hello NY
Man I hope your intuition is right on. I surely enjoy a successful row thru the gears. Not sure what my next car might be if the 8 is auto solely. Though I am sure it will be spectacular.
All my five Corvettes have been Manual transmissions.
As were my two Miatas and one Porsche.
Soon.
I'm not worried. There is no way GM abandons the manual market.
I think you are wrong. A ME manual requires a lot of specialized linkage to work, and with it only being about 24% of current sales, I don't expect to see it on the ME.
I think you are wrong. A ME manual requires a lot of specialized linkage to work, and with it only being about 24% of current sales, I don't expect to see it on the ME.
Anyone with a C5/C6/C7 should know about the chore of flushing the hydraulic clutch mechanism. With the engine(and the clutch) located in the front the line from the master cylinder to the slave cylinder is relatively short, so the volume of fluid is fairly low.
On a mid engine, the hydraulic line is fairly long, so gonna' take a while to flush it using the 'Ranger' method. Not a big deal, but still there.
Anyone with a C5/C6/C7 should know about the chore of flushing the hydraulic clutch mechanism. With the engine(and the clutch) located in the front the line from the master cylinder to the slave cylinder is relatively short, so the volume of fluid is fairly low.
On a mid engine, the hydraulic line is fairly long, so gonna' take a while to flush it using the 'Ranger' method. Not a big deal, but still there.
That's not a needed or approved maintenance requirement. Used to do it in my road race C5 and then swapped to a tick master and never had to do it again. My C7 has 47K miles and never touched the clutch fluid. Track the car too. GM got it right with the new stuff.
That's not a needed or approved maintenance requirement. My C7 has 47K miles and never touched the clutch fluid. Track the car too. GM got it right with the new stuff.
The GM owners manual says otherwise (page 302 of 2018 manual):
(7) Replace clutch fluid every three years. See Hydraulic Clutch p. 229.
I think you are wrong. A ME manual requires a lot of specialized linkage to work, and with it only being about 24% of current sales, I don't expect to see it on the ME.
And that low 20 something % is with the only other choice being a torque converter automatic. If a reasonably priced DCT would've been a third option I bet the three pedal manual's % would already be into (or very close to) single digits.
I hate to see them disappear, but I'm not in control.
A mid-rear has the transaxle behind the motor and diff. As such a shift rod like the C5/6/7 won't work. It will be cable actuated which doesn't need the big hole.
Ferrari F355 has the transaxle located as such, yet still has a shift rod performing the actuation.
Ferrari 348 has similar transaxle but uses cable actuation.
Everyone hails the F355 system over the 348 system.
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