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Joe’s post is spot on. The primary purpose of Kapuskasing winter testing (560 miles north of Toronto) is how the engine, HVAC, cooling, electrical and computer components “wake up” when cold soaked overnight. Excellent chapter on this in “All Corvettes Are Red” about all that is done there (which BTW is done on every new GM vehicle).
As to when the mules will be tested with much less camo (the vinyl wrapping that Joe referred to), about two months ago Cadillac’s boss de Nyscheen stated that with aero becoming more and more important, they will be removing camo earlier in the testing process. Hopefully, as aero is all the more critical on a Corvette than the Cadillac SUV’s he was talking about, the Corvette team would do likewise.
We saw progressive removal of thick camo to eventually just “zebra-like vinyl skins” during the C7’s development process, so we should expect the same process here.
Take a look at this image. I have seen others that made me suspect that there "could" be some inlet in the yellow oval area. Note the "hollow" looking shape. Sure, could be just from padding but other side views show a "dark" area above the main scoop too.
Not sure how that would be executed but trying to give an idea. Could just be a sculpted shape too.
Thoughts?
l have also notice what appears to be inlets in the upper 1/4 panel similar to a 488 ? Just scaled down .
l have also notice what appears to be inlets in the upper 1/4 panel similar to a 488 ? Just scaled down .
What program are you using to create these drawings? It looks like a hand drawn image scanned into a computer and then an overlay created using a line tool of some kind.
What program are you using to create these drawings? It looks like a hand drawn image scanned into a computer and then an overlay created using a line tool of some kind.
These rendering are from 1st Vettesoon. I have no idea how he does them but he is clearly very talented and his work has been a lot of fun to follow.
Take a look at this image. I have seen others that made me suspect that there "could" be some inlet in the yellow oval area. Note the "hollow" looking shape. Sure, could be just from padding but other side views show a "dark" area above the main scoop too.
Not sure how that would be executed but trying to give an idea. Could just be a sculpted shape too.
Thoughts?
Nope, not enough pressure. You have huge inlets in the front which means there are radiators there according to the dwg.. It also means that their is heavy and hot plumbing to the engine passing thru the cabin. The side inlets are not sufficient for high HP. Most MEs have inlets like this below. The N/A 500 HP LS powered ME Vette will be far different to the high HP versions which we haven't seen yet.
This is how it has to be done.
Check this out. I haven't seen this detail before but wondered why we could not see the complete splitter. before, ACS has got it right. This side splitter actually increases the pressure into the inlet by attaching the laminar flow to the side of the car above. It ends at the inlet.
Normally, a side splitter has a dual dual function, attachment above and increase in floor area below. Normally, a side splitter separates a low pressure area below because of the difference in air velocity and laminar flow attachment above. It would be as close to the ground as possible. The C8 splitter forms this puny shelf for this duty, unlike this LaFerrari shelf.
The General makes avail to see exactly what it wants. The Michigan McDonalds cruise was not a fluke. They purposely drove all over testing the back roads.
Until THE GENERAL releases official info, pics, pricing, specs etc it's all just speculation and smoke screens.
January 2019 NAIAS Detroit. Nuff said
Nope, not enough pressure. You have huge inlets in the front which means there are radiators there according to the dwg.. It also means that their is heavy and hot plumbing to the engine passing thru the cabin. The side inlets are not sufficient for high HP. Most MEs have inlets like this below. The N/A 500 HP LS powered ME Vette will be far different to the high HP versions which we haven't seen yet.
Check this out. I haven't seen this detail before but wondered why we could not see the complete splitter. before, ACS has got it right. This side splitter actually increases the pressure into the inlet by attaching the laminar flow to the side of the car above. It ends at the inlet.
Normally, a side splitter has a dual dual function, attachment above and increase in floor area below. Normally, a side splitter separates a low pressure area below because of the difference in air velocity and laminar flow attachment above. It would be as close to the ground as possible. The C8 splitter forms this puny shelf for this duty, unlike this LaFerrari shelf.
Why do the top fender inlets work for the current z06/zr1 and wouldn't work for the ME? I am imagining the same type of engineering adapted to the ME.
The thought of it maybe being on the side surface similar to the 488 makes me think there would be plenty of air volume for the rads since the 488 side scoop splits the volume?
As far as the C8 splitter shelf...do we know it is puny? Could be covered.?
Since I value your expertise...a little...
Let me see if we can pin down some ideas?
Taking my rendering/drawing as an example only. I am trying to guess at features and landmarks hinted at in the spy and CAD images.
Assuming the design is sort of what I suggested and would include the following features tho maybe executed and placed in better positions.
My render suggests the c8 could have:
1 Various grill inlets with potential active aero.
2 SIDE hood and or front fender outlets
3 Front fender brake outlet
4 Large side scoop inlet with possible splitter
5 Side/rear window inlet similar to 458
6 Rear TOP fender inlet as in CAD and or side rear fender inlet, both poss NACA style variant for lack of better description.
7 Rear fascia outlets as seen in CAD and spy images
8 Potential rear deck vents
I would think that this combination of inlets and outlets IF executed correctly for size/shape and placement would suffice in allowing even the 800hp version to breath.
Feel free to take my render(s) and sketch in what you think should be there from what we can see and know so far.
Looking forward to your thoughts.
Last edited by firstvettesoon; 02-08-2018 at 06:30 PM.
Could be a simple reason why GM has yet to put the correct ME-sized splitter on the car is that for winter testing they are not needing nor calculating aero downforce (nor do they need to do that at the relatively low speeds for such testing), and instead evaluating what we know winter testing is used for, i.e., what we learned in a great read, “All Corvettes Are Red,” that they are testing engine, cooling, HVAC, computers, sensors, traction, suspension capabilities at really cold temperatures — especially measured from overnight cold-start/cold-sink low temperatures.
Could be a simple reason why GM has yet to put the correct ME-sized splitter on the car is that for winter testing they are not needing nor calculating aero downforce (nor do they need to do that at the relatively low speeds for such testing), and instead evaluating what we know winter testing is used for, i.e., what we learned in a great read, “All Corvettes Are Red,” that they are testing engine, cooling, HVAC, computers, sensors, traction, suspension capabilities at really cold temperatures — especially measured from overnight cold-start/cold-sink low temperatures.
Kinda funny they go through all that and then put tires on them that turn into hockey pucks below 60F.
The General makes avail to see exactly what it wants. The Michigan McDonalds cruise was not a fluke. They purposely drove all over testing the back roads.
Until THE GENERAL releases official info, pics, pricing, specs etc it's all just speculation and smoke screens.
January 2019 NAIAS Detroit. Nuff said
Well...nothing left to talk about I guess...because Deb said so. Back to your caves everyone.
Could the rear fascia include a aero design similar to the 488>
Very interesting idea. And maybe, just maybe, some of that directed air would at least keep the rear window and the center part of the rear fascia cleaner that we have been unfortunately become used to the last few generations.
This car is starting to look like it's going to a Chevrolet copy of the 488.
Which would be fine by me.
Me three. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? The ME was designed and ready to go (more than a conceptual drawing), before GM’s bankruptcy. Is it not possible that Ferrari’s beautiful design is a copy of those many, many years’ earlier Corvette ME drawings?
Very interesting idea. And maybe, just maybe, some of that directed air would at least keep the rear window and the center part of the rear fascia cleaner that we have been unfortunately become used to the last few generations.
Doubt it... looks like spots for a back-up camera, license plate lights and a hatch/trunk popper.
02-07-2018, 10:38 PM
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