New spy shots...
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Well, we're gonna have one, like it or not.
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How about this Cadillac 360 view system:
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Other than not having to stretch your neck muscles mercilessly to watch the brats in the backseat of a sedan or SUV, I fail to see how this system would be of much use in the ME.
Last edited by sunsalem; 02-09-2018 at 02:09 AM.
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but seriously. why not just make the rear view mirror into a display and send the rear camera-360 view to that feed?
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Federal regulations require a rear view mirror (not screen) along with side mirrors (again, not screens). Several auto manufacturer's are trying to get this changed but so far, no dice.
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Driverless cars they will allow but not cameras for mirrors... what a world.
...so put in a small actual mirror above the screen for the purists!
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Sad but true... Following the small actual mirror path, I can see ten years from now as that minute rear view mirror gets smaller and smaller, someone buys a new car and sees for the first time, this almost microscopic mirror about the rear view video, and asks, “what is that shiny dot?”
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Like your forum name “C8soon.” There will be a ME in our garage.
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Why do the top fender inlets work for the current z06/zr1 and wouldn't work for the ME? I am imagining the same type of engineering adapted to the ME.
The thought of it maybe being on the side surface similar to the 488 makes me think there would be plenty of air volume for the rads since the 488 side scoop splits the volume?
Looking forward to your thoughts.
The thought of it maybe being on the side surface similar to the 488 makes me think there would be plenty of air volume for the rads since the 488 side scoop splits the volume?
Looking forward to your thoughts.
If you are interested in drawing modern high performance cars, it would behoove you to research how styling and function are almost always at odds. The faster a car is, the shape becomes critical for other components to perform their duties. Grab some books or go on line and do some homework for a basic understanding. Design programs have CFD add ons for CAD surface development.
Your powers of observation should allow you to answer some of your queries. Try and answer your first question.
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Looks way to big for a back up camera and the location would not let you see behind the bumper. But it could be a thermal camera for testing purposes to see how the heat is coming out of the back hatch area.
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If you are interested in drawing modern high performance cars, it would behoove you to research how styling and function are almost always at odds. The faster a car is, the shape becomes critical for other components to perform their duties. Grab some books or go on line and do some homework for a basic understanding. Design programs have CFD add ons for CAD surface development.
Your powers of observation should allow you to answer some of your queries. Try and answer your first question.
Your powers of observation should allow you to answer some of your queries. Try and answer your first question.
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If you are interested in drawing modern high performance cars, it would behoove you to research how styling and function are almost always at odds. The faster a car is, the shape becomes critical for other components to perform their duties. Grab some books or go on line and do some homework for a basic understanding. Design programs have CFD add ons for CAD surface development.
Your powers of observation should allow you to answer some of your queries. Try and answer your first question.
Please remember that I am not trying to draw or design a modern high performance car. (although I would love to be involved in such a project) I am simply speculating on what "could" be under the camo based on the small details we know from the CAD and spy images. They give an "Impression" of what the car could be , not what it is actually or what it "should be" if we redesigned it according to your ideas. Again, I am not "designing" a car. I am merely making an artistic representation by mashing existing car parts into an artistic representation and impression of the C8 based on currently know details.
My answer to my first question is, Yes, it would work as well as the C7 inlet. As Elegant explained, the c7 inlet was designed and refined a multitude of times and seems to work pretty well. I have no doubt the ME team has dramatically improved on this design. The CAD image certainly shows an inlet in the same area with ducting leading to the rear cooling so, yes, I am fairly certain there is an inlet there. It's ultimate design is TBD... but there will be an inlet in the upper rear fenders.
I will simply reassert that since other supercars use similar intakes and outlets in similar areas, the ME design team will be able to take advantage of the years of experience and expertise and real world testing from examples of cars like the 488, Lambo. Turbo S etc to find the optimum sizes, shapes and positions for all aero sensitive surfaces.
You keep saying that things that that are extant on current supercars don't work. The roof inlet example. They work, when designed correctly.
You say a top fender inlet will not work...yet the LaFerrari and C7 including the ZR1 (to name a few) use it effectively. The CAD of the ME clearly shows an inlet there so to argue that it is not there or will not work is...in your words, dumb.
I have never said that these features would be exactly as depicted in the renders. I simply assert that there "could be" something there "like" it. You seem to want to argue how it needs to be 2.5mm larger or have a larger shelf or book case...
We should not be nitpicking unimportant minutia of an artistic rendering. I suppose that with your engineering background you can't help yourself...but you are missing the very simple point I am making. No matter what books you have read or what you think you know...these incredible cars exist...WITH the very features you assert don't work. They work because the overall design is optimized to make them work as they will, I have no doubt, on the ME.
What I am saying is that you need to make assumptions...a leap of faith, that the final product will have been designed to work properly. I think that pessimistic sketch you made tells a lot. You actually disappointed yourself by drawing a boring unimaginative rendition of what you see in the spy picture without assuming there would be a revolutionary change from previous Corvette design.
I offer again. Take my renders and sketch what you think could or should be on the car or do your own. It may be interesting to see.
...And if GM continues the FE version...they should steal from this...Or should I say steal back. If that don't look like a Corvette I don't know what does.!
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You get the same kind of answer from high school science teachers!.
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I finally got time to enlarge some of the spy shots and although the quality is very poor, I still believe that the headlight treatment will be very different to what has been imagined in the designs to date. It does not look like it will be a single fared in light unit that wraps around the aside of the car, although I admit that was what was depicted in the CAD drawings from ZERV. Looking at these picture it looks more like it could be one or more round lights set back in a sculpted area above and outboard of what looks like an array of small flush mounted LED daytime running lights.
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From an aesthetic, “clean design” perspective, and also from both cost to manufacture and ease of assembly perspectives, it would be very desirable to have every light within one headlight bucket.
Last edited by elegant; 02-09-2018 at 04:12 PM.
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Virtually everyone from Kia on up to Ferrari are going with some form of sculpted light pipe these days. (Thank you, Audi). I really doubt this car will use a blob of distinct LEDs as DRLs. I still contend that what we're seeing are placeholder lights.
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