I got a sneak peek!
02-19-2018, 10:51 AM
#261
Melting Slicks
Rear glass is likely correct for airflow.
02-19-2018, 10:55 AM
#262
Melting Slicks
Not sure what "aesthetic" means here. What other ME car will it resemble if not C7?
02-19-2018, 11:00 AM
#263
Melting Slicks
When I say too much C7, I mean there's literally cut and pasted pieces of C7 in that picture. The roof, wheel arches, exhaust tips, the taillight theme and significant portions of the front end were copied with little or no change from some stock photo of a C7. It's not even a render. It's lazy photoshop work.
FirstVetteSoon is at least doing original work.
FirstVetteSoon is at least doing original work.
02-19-2018, 11:06 AM
#265
Melting Slicks
Also the door handle then ends up too low. It should be above the crease IMO, like the red car on page 11.
02-19-2018, 11:15 AM
#266
Melting Slicks
Building that car would cost at least $200K.
I don't think the C8 will resemble the 458/488 either because the cost of that build is at least $200K also. Tha ACS render is likely a $50K build at 30K units per year, so the price can start at $80K to complete with the 718 GTS.
I don't think the C8 will resemble the 458/488 either because the cost of that build is at least $200K also. Tha ACS render is likely a $50K build at 30K units per year, so the price can start at $80K to complete with the 718 GTS.
02-19-2018, 11:22 AM
#267
Drifting
Thread Starter
From my picture, these are certainly the front fenders. The top of the headlight shape fits exactly into the recessed area.
My sketch shows the headlights are too wide. The actual headlights are a bit skinnier and sleeker than what I drew.
02-19-2018, 11:28 AM
#268
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by PCMIII
The C8 will be built on the same assembly line using a variation of the C7 frame.
02-19-2018, 11:28 AM
#269
Drifting
Thread Starter
This image says rear quarter panel.
From my picture, these are certainly the front fenders. The top of the headlight shape fits exactly into the recessed area.
My sketch shows the headlights are too wide. The actual headlights are a bit skinnier and sleeker than what I drew.
From my picture, these are certainly the front fenders. The top of the headlight shape fits exactly into the recessed area.
My sketch shows the headlights are too wide. The actual headlights are a bit skinnier and sleeker than what I drew.
I just saw this in the ZERV thread. This is accurate. This is the front headlight.
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02-19-2018, 11:28 AM
#270
Melting Slicks
This image says rear quarter panel.
From my picture, these are certainly the front fenders. The top of the headlight shape fits exactly into the recessed area.
My sketch shows the headlights are too wide. The actual headlights are a bit skinnier and sleeker than what I drew.
From my picture, these are certainly the front fenders. The top of the headlight shape fits exactly into the recessed area.
My sketch shows the headlights are too wide. The actual headlights are a bit skinnier and sleeker than what I drew.
02-19-2018, 11:38 AM
#271
Drifting
Thread Starter
The shape of c7pimps drawing is taken from the top render which I did a while back. He said he tried to add the hood outlet, headlamps and side intake shapes as best he could because the perspective views on my render and the 3D CADs he is working from are different.
For the scoop, he said he had trouble drawing it correctly. I think, and he can correct me, that he was saying the scoop profile(shape) was hard to see from the front, and that it is large but only because the mid section of the car tucks in toward the rear of the door and then "dramatically" angles out to the wheel well. So the car squeezes in the center rather than the rear fender sticking out more. Just looks that way in the drawings due to shading.
My bottom render shows this fairly accurately I think - and also set C7pimps lines on the spy pic better since his trace off my old render was not exactly accurate because my render was a little off.
The bottom line drawing should be close in case anyone wants to use it to try their own renders.
I am looking forward to hearing more details from C7p for what other features are there including the rear fender top inlets and other features unseen so far.
MikeG37 scoop shape is close to the spy images but it "seems" that c7 is suggesting that the top of the side scoop ties into the top edge of the rear fender similar to the Aria as shown in the last drawing.
It is an interesting area and I am very curious to see how GM actually resolves these shapes. I am sure they will do a great job... But if they don't, I am sure someone will offer a CF inlet cover in various shapes and sizes! ; )
For the scoop, he said he had trouble drawing it correctly. I think, and he can correct me, that he was saying the scoop profile(shape) was hard to see from the front, and that it is large but only because the mid section of the car tucks in toward the rear of the door and then "dramatically" angles out to the wheel well. So the car squeezes in the center rather than the rear fender sticking out more. Just looks that way in the drawings due to shading.
My bottom render shows this fairly accurately I think - and also set C7pimps lines on the spy pic better since his trace off my old render was not exactly accurate because my render was a little off.
The bottom line drawing should be close in case anyone wants to use it to try their own renders.
I am looking forward to hearing more details from C7p for what other features are there including the rear fender top inlets and other features unseen so far.
MikeG37 scoop shape is close to the spy images but it "seems" that c7 is suggesting that the top of the side scoop ties into the top edge of the rear fender similar to the Aria as shown in the last drawing.
It is an interesting area and I am very curious to see how GM actually resolves these shapes. I am sure they will do a great job... But if they don't, I am sure someone will offer a CF inlet cover in various shapes and sizes! ; )
02-19-2018, 11:39 AM
#273
Melting Slicks
Where on earth are you coming up with that? The CAD leaks from ZERV should be enough to dispel that notion. The general engineering seems similar, but that's to be expected since they're both GM cars. The Solstice had similar engineering to the C6, but it was definitely not a "variation of the C6 frame".
Unless there is some compelling reason to engineer an all new frame, GM won't do it.
02-19-2018, 11:57 AM
#274
Taillights are wrong, side scoops are wrong, hood scoop is entirely missing, and the headlights are not quite right either (more abrupt kind of cut off on the top).
Last edited by Atari_Prime; 02-19-2018 at 12:02 PM.
02-19-2018, 12:08 PM
#275
Drifting
Thread Starter
Building that car would cost at least $200K.
I don't think the C8 will resemble the 458/488 either because the cost of that build is at least $200K also. Tha ACS render is likely a $50K build at 30K units per year, so the price can start at $80K to complete with the 718 GTS.
I don't think the C8 will resemble the 458/488 either because the cost of that build is at least $200K also. Tha ACS render is likely a $50K build at 30K units per year, so the price can start at $80K to complete with the 718 GTS.
The cost of a build isn't most greatly affected by the shape of the body. It's material usage. The engine alone in the 488GTB costs more than a C7 does. If you are using a carbon fiber monocoque chassis and the highest premium quality leathers and carbon fiber in the interiors and seat frames, machined instead of cast components, etc. the cost skyrockets.
Take those Lamborghini kit cars on a Fiero chassis for example. Looks like a 300K car but it's just an exotic body design slapped on a crappy chassis. That's not hard to do for cheap.
There's no reason, cost wise, a mid-engine Corvette can't look every bit as much as exotic and expensive as a Ferrari, perform nearly just as well and only cost $65k. The C7 already does that for the most part.
The C8 looks very much a mid-engine Corvette. Just as the C7 looks very much traditonal Corvette but has resemblance the F12 Berlinetta, the C8 looks like a corvette with proportions similar to the 488GTB. That's not even something that needs to be discovered or revealed, it's a common sense matter of fact that it's going to be that way.
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02-19-2018, 12:11 PM
#276
Melting Slicks
How do you know the taillights and side scoop are wrong?
Headlight is longer and slimmer but otherwise same shape as C7, as ACS shows.
Last edited by PCMIII; 02-19-2018 at 12:12 PM.
02-19-2018, 12:14 PM
#277
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by PCMIII
Unless there is some compelling reason to engineer an all new frame, GM won't do it.
02-19-2018, 12:24 PM
#278
Melting Slicks
I'm not sure I follow exactly what you're trying to convey.
The cost of a build isn't most greatly affected by the shape of the body. It's material usage. The engine alone in the 488GTB costs more than a C7 does. If you are using a carbon fiber monocoque chassis and the highest premium quality leathers and carbon fiber in the interiors and seat frames, machined instead of cast components, etc. the cost skyrockets.
Take those Lamborghini kit cars on a Fiero chassis for example. Looks like a 300K car but it's just an exotic body design slapped on a crappy chassis. That's not hard to do for cheap.
There's no reason, cost wise, a mid-engine Corvette can't look every bit as much as exotic and expensive as a Ferrari, perform nearly just as well and only cost $65k. The C7 already does that for the most part.
The cost of a build isn't most greatly affected by the shape of the body. It's material usage. The engine alone in the 488GTB costs more than a C7 does. If you are using a carbon fiber monocoque chassis and the highest premium quality leathers and carbon fiber in the interiors and seat frames, machined instead of cast components, etc. the cost skyrockets.
Take those Lamborghini kit cars on a Fiero chassis for example. Looks like a 300K car but it's just an exotic body design slapped on a crappy chassis. That's not hard to do for cheap.
There's no reason, cost wise, a mid-engine Corvette can't look every bit as much as exotic and expensive as a Ferrari, perform nearly just as well and only cost $65k. The C7 already does that for the most part.
02-19-2018, 12:35 PM
#280
Drifting
Thread Starter
This is all pure speculation of course and nobody knows what th eprice will be. Al I think I know is Chevy can't price the car too high and keep their core customer base. Many buyers, myself included, bought the C7 with only the most essential bare bones options to fit budget. If the C8 starts going past $70K as a base MSRP, you have priced out a significant portion of the buyer market.
If they make the base car have the upgraded interior option package (3LT) as standard, then I can see them justifying a $70k+ base MSRP, but they aren't going to do that because they need that base car budget buyer to make the car successful in sales volume.
That's how I see it.
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