Who has put down a deposit?
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Elegant. Interesting answers. For them to move 10000 units what is your guess to the price point? Would you say they will move that many at $150k
And if this car is in that range where will the buyers come from?
Btw 3 years ago I called Kerbeck. Wanted to get on their list. They had no list. I assume they do now but Furman had a significant list and Stanford did not.
And if this car is in that range where will the buyers come from?
Btw 3 years ago I called Kerbeck. Wanted to get on their list. They had no list. I assume they do now but Furman had a significant list and Stanford did not.
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Some top dealers do not create lists until the car is revealed, others even later — all the way, for some, until orders are allowed to be submitted.
Happy to “talk” further via a PM should you wish.
My prediction, for what it is worth, is that the entry price of the ME will be $77,777. Many are below that amount, others at $150+K.
There is an active poll on the other major Corvette forum, and the first 50 respondents averaged $82,500 in their ME entry point price predictions.
Happy to “talk” further via a PM should you wish.
My prediction, for what it is worth, is that the entry price of the ME will be $77,777. Many are below that amount, others at $150+K.
There is an active poll on the other major Corvette forum, and the first 50 respondents averaged $82,500 in their ME entry point price predictions.
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Some top dealers do not create lists until the car is revealed, others even later — all the way, for some, until orders are allowed to be submitted.
Happy to “talk” further via a PM should you wish.
My prediction, for what it is worth, is that the entry price of the ME will be $77,777. Many are below that amount, others at $150+K.
There is an active poll on the other major Corvette forum, and the first 50 respondents averaged $82,500 in their ME entry point price predictions.
Happy to “talk” further via a PM should you wish.
My prediction, for what it is worth, is that the entry price of the ME will be $77,777. Many are below that amount, others at $150+K.
There is an active poll on the other major Corvette forum, and the first 50 respondents averaged $82,500 in their ME entry point price predictions.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-corvette.html
This is a car that is not meant for the masses or the Corvette faithful. GM is going to sell this car all over the world and go after Ferrari, McLaren, Lamborghini and even Porsche (with their rear engine vehicle). I'm guessing they won't make more then a few thousand and the reminder that they make in BG will be front engine cars.
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Thank you Itomn. Just because in the thread you link, people are listing tons of nice to have (some of them very expensive ones), does not mean that GM will produce a Corvette that does not again surprise us with good pricing. We saw tons of threads, including top auto media, that guessed its intro price for the C7 would be up to $79,995, and similarly predictions — again including some top media, that the Z06 would start at $100K.
We shall see when the official ME price is announced by GM. Until then, all is speculation (including my guess).
We shall see when the official ME price is announced by GM. Until then, all is speculation (including my guess).
#66
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Elegant John, I do believe the people on this forum are in a delusional state of mind if they think the Mid Engined Vette is going to be less than the top tier C7 ZR1. It's not going to happen. That car is being developed for one reason. That is to be the top rung of Corvettes ladder of hierarchy. That list that I gleaned info from was extracted from Zerv's leaks. In it were various distinguishable elements that will never be on a entry level car that you're trying to promote. It does no good to get peoples hopes up for a 80K ME which isn't possible or realistic. GM is responding to the Ford GT for less than half price and will challenge Ferrari.
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I agree that the 2nd or 3rd year ZORA will be Corvette’s halo car. But there is nothing to preclude GM from bringing out a entry ME, and that version to have a full $50K spread compared to ZORA’s 800+ HP, carbon-creamic brakes, and its so many other high cost items.
I just again re-read the list in the “linked component” thread. However, many things listed, such as the front axle lift system, active aero, and similar are not going be in the entry ME list price, but significant cost options. To support this, we have recently read posts that GM wants to model the Porsche “high number of options pricing structure” to, just like Porsche, maximize profits from option components. Finally, many of the component items listed will have a much lesser units costs than we are imagining due to economies of scale.
The pricing issue that for the ZR1 is that it is such a limited production model — causing development costs/unit to be very high. The LT5 for example has only been used in it, and its aero development costs, and its extensive and expensive, standard, visible carbon fiber is only divisible this first year by 2,500 units, with the total ZR1 production run only being a max of 7,500 cars (and this only if is extends through 2021).
The ME conversely, will see about 100,000 units in its first gen (Source: Markit Engine Forecast). That will allow the ME’s price/unit to be much more reasonable.
I am seeing many car media analysts’ cwho have long term cred (not perfect, but lots of history and perspective, and who have been right a good amount), talk about $70K-90K for the ME.
Many who have decided “no ME for me because its going to be over $100K,” could be very, very happy.
I just again re-read the list in the “linked component” thread. However, many things listed, such as the front axle lift system, active aero, and similar are not going be in the entry ME list price, but significant cost options. To support this, we have recently read posts that GM wants to model the Porsche “high number of options pricing structure” to, just like Porsche, maximize profits from option components. Finally, many of the component items listed will have a much lesser units costs than we are imagining due to economies of scale.
The pricing issue that for the ZR1 is that it is such a limited production model — causing development costs/unit to be very high. The LT5 for example has only been used in it, and its aero development costs, and its extensive and expensive, standard, visible carbon fiber is only divisible this first year by 2,500 units, with the total ZR1 production run only being a max of 7,500 cars (and this only if is extends through 2021).
The ME conversely, will see about 100,000 units in its first gen (Source: Markit Engine Forecast). That will allow the ME’s price/unit to be much more reasonable.
I am seeing many car media analysts’ cwho have long term cred (not perfect, but lots of history and perspective, and who have been right a good amount), talk about $70K-90K for the ME.
Many who have decided “no ME for me because its going to be over $100K,” could be very, very happy.
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Let's spell this out: a major automobile company, General Motors, works for numerous years, spending enormous amounts of money on a vehicle design and, subsequently, fires an employee of the company for leaking numerous Company CADS of that very design on this forum. Clearly, GM was very sensitive to that exposure as they tried numerous tacts to remove them. Why would they not produce it? Why would they make a lesser vehicle after this extraordinary effort? Why would we literally see the drawings of a magnificent mid engine car and not expect it to be built as shown? I agree with you that they may be emulating the company formula that has provided Porsche with a cash cow. I just don't agree with where GM's starting point for the basic car begins. It is, and has been, my opinion that the mid engine Corvette or Cadillac will have to start well over $100k. Numbers of production, because of that base price, will be much smaller then you think. GM will cram this down the throats of Porsche, Ford, Ferrari and Lamborghini and laugh all the way to the bank.
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Very simple, a deposit puts you nearer to the front of the line. For the first couple of years of the C7 production we had people complaining that they couldn't get an allocation. The same may very well happen for the next generation Corvette. If a person wants an early production ME, there is little downside to putting down the deposit. If you are OK waiting for allocation, don't put a deposit down.
When I bought my 2016 at Les Stanford, they told me they already had a significant list for a ME.
When I bought my 2016 at Les Stanford, they told me they already had a significant list for a ME.
So, check with your dealer on their initial C7 allocation in 2013/early 2014 before you make your C8 deposit.
If it all works it’s really fun!
#73
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I agree that the 2nd or 3rd year ZORA will be Corvette’s halo car. But there is nothing to preclude GM from bringing out a entry ME, and that version to have a full $50K spread compared to ZORA’s 800+ HP, carbon-creamic brakes, and its so many other high cost items.
I just again re-read the list in the “linked component” thread. However, many things listed, such as the front axle lift system, active aero, and similar are not going be in the entry ME list price, but significant cost options. To support this, we have recently read posts that GM wants to model the Porsche “high number of options pricing structure” to, just like Porsche, maximize profits from option components. Finally, many of the component items listed will have a much lesser units costs than we are imagining due to economies of scale.
The pricing issue that for the ZR1 is that it is such a limited production model — causing development costs/unit to be very high. The LT5 for example has only been used in it, and its aero development costs, and its extensive and expensive, standard, visible carbon fiber is only divisible this first year by 2,500 units, with the total ZR1 production run only being a max of 7,500 cars (and this only if is extends through 2021).
The ME conversely, will see about 100,000 units in its first gen (Source: Markit Engine Forecast). That will allow the ME’s price/unit to be much more reasonable.
I am seeing many car media analysts’ cwho have long term cred (not perfect, but lots of history and perspective, and who have been right a good amount), talk about $70K-90K for the ME.
Many who have decided “no ME for me because its going to be over $100K,” could be very, very happy.
I just again re-read the list in the “linked component” thread. However, many things listed, such as the front axle lift system, active aero, and similar are not going be in the entry ME list price, but significant cost options. To support this, we have recently read posts that GM wants to model the Porsche “high number of options pricing structure” to, just like Porsche, maximize profits from option components. Finally, many of the component items listed will have a much lesser units costs than we are imagining due to economies of scale.
The pricing issue that for the ZR1 is that it is such a limited production model — causing development costs/unit to be very high. The LT5 for example has only been used in it, and its aero development costs, and its extensive and expensive, standard, visible carbon fiber is only divisible this first year by 2,500 units, with the total ZR1 production run only being a max of 7,500 cars (and this only if is extends through 2021).
The ME conversely, will see about 100,000 units in its first gen (Source: Markit Engine Forecast). That will allow the ME’s price/unit to be much more reasonable.
I am seeing many car media analysts’ cwho have long term cred (not perfect, but lots of history and perspective, and who have been right a good amount), talk about $70K-90K for the ME.
Many who have decided “no ME for me because its going to be over $100K,” could be very, very happy.
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Anybody remember the first gen NSX. It targeted the big boys. Undercut them on pricing, and surpassed them in reliability/serviceability. One could even argue the first NSX forced the "big boys" to up their game and build better product.
I won't be shocked if the forthcoming ME does something similar.
I won't be shocked if the forthcoming ME does something similar.
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True, but for me if they rack up the price too much there will be other options I and others will have to look for. 250+ more hp might make it easier to digest. Or just wait and see what a 2018/19 will go for by then. I hate the guessing.. and waiting.. and waiting.
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Sorry Elegant John. I just don't see that happening. I see the ME as the top Halo car from the get go. This car is not going to compete with the 80k ME Porsche Cayman (hairdressers car). I've owned Ferrari's and I would be pissed if my favorite sportscar company would downmarket the car like that. It's a real disservice to GM to project this 80K price mantra on it's finest sportscar it's ever produced as they want to be taken seriously. They are clearly upping their game and are going after a higher level income bracket buyer. We shall see shortly. My money is on a Ferrari/Lambo/McLaren competitor not a Boxter/Cayman competitor.
I think the first ME will be the halo car. As the C-8 develops, look for other versions to follow. Again this is my opinion since nothing has been announced. I apologize for my previous comment it was made in jest and in hindsight it was insensitive. Sorry to anyone it offended.
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We have professional women race car drivers, including Christina Nielsen who is a repeat IMSA GTD Champion driving a Ferrari.
Is Dennis Tap and Les Stanford dissing all womens’ driving abilities?
Women make 65% of all new vehicle purchasing decisions in the U.S. right now. How many repeat posts have we seen, “my wife just told me I can buy a new Corvette; whoppee!” A friend (who does not belong to the forum) just told me last week that his wife has just approved his buying a ME.
Is Dennis Tap and Les Stanford dissing all womens’ driving abilities?
Women make 65% of all new vehicle purchasing decisions in the U.S. right now. How many repeat posts have we seen, “my wife just told me I can buy a new Corvette; whoppee!” A friend (who does not belong to the forum) just told me last week that his wife has just approved his buying a ME.
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So GM is going to lead with the top dog ME?
Seems counter-intuitive at least compared to history.
Seems counter-intuitive at least compared to history.