Wider-Bodied ME After Year 1?
03-05-2018, 12:40 AM
#21
It seems to me that the typical wider bodied Corvette is mostly about fitting wider than normal wheels and tires on the original design and then covering them with bodywork.
GM will probably continue this with the ME. The original design is usually a good all around wheel / tire choice; whereas, the wider wheel / tire combination is better for dry weather / track conditions.
GM will probably continue this with the ME. The original design is usually a good all around wheel / tire choice; whereas, the wider wheel / tire combination is better for dry weather / track conditions.
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JerriVette (03-14-2018)
03-05-2018, 01:45 PM
#22
Race Director
I doubt it as well, at least in regards to HP and most performance numbers. However, I do think they should strive to make a car that is more balanced and enjoyable to drive from a performance perspective. That’s a goal I think they can easily attain with this new platform if done right.
One thing that always annoyed me about my C5 Z06 and the Viper I rented was their following of the grooves on road on the highway due to the wide front tires. Mid-engine cars do not need wide front tires and thus do not have this issue. So not only does the better balance make handling nice it also makes cruising on the highway more enjoyable.
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JerriVette (03-14-2018)
03-06-2018, 12:19 AM
#24
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Thread Starter
It did (does). It is a predictive document, and while based on some good sleuthing, it is not a GM document.
When someone checked with an GM insider, showing that person the five key pages of the Markit Engine Forecast that mention “Corvette,” that Detroit person said that while there was some accuracy to it, it was not completely correct — and would not say another word.
Thus, we are left not knowing what are the correct predictions nor the incorrect predictions. And thus we wait — at least until next January’s reveal, and even then, at that Reveal we only learn the parts that which is correct for the revealed model(s), and based on decades of history, GM staff there are not going to share any details about the motors will only later see in following year models.
The only way we are going to learn all at the Reveal is if, and this is one huge if, GM tells us then that the 6.2L OHV, the 4.2L DOHC, TT and the 5.5L DOHC, TT are all going to be available the first year of the ME.
When someone checked with an GM insider, showing that person the five key pages of the Markit Engine Forecast that mention “Corvette,” that Detroit person said that while there was some accuracy to it, it was not completely correct — and would not say another word.
Thus, we are left not knowing what are the correct predictions nor the incorrect predictions. And thus we wait — at least until next January’s reveal, and even then, at that Reveal we only learn the parts that which is correct for the revealed model(s), and based on decades of history, GM staff there are not going to share any details about the motors will only later see in following year models.
The only way we are going to learn all at the Reveal is if, and this is one huge if, GM tells us then that the 6.2L OHV, the 4.2L DOHC, TT and the 5.5L DOHC, TT are all going to be available the first year of the ME.
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03-06-2018, 12:24 AM
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03-06-2018, 05:42 AM
#26
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I was talking with a couple of long-term Corvette friends and while we believe we will see a HP version(s) starting in year 2 (e.g., more power, bigger, maybe actively aero), we are all thinking that the ME will appear as a wide-body in year one, and not gain body panel width thereafter.
What do you think?
What do you think?
Last edited by skank; 03-06-2018 at 06:55 AM.
03-06-2018, 03:43 PM
#28
Burning Brakes
It did (does). It is a predictive document, and while based on some good sleuthing, it is not a GM document.
When someone checked with an GM insider, showing that person the five key pages of the Markit Engine Forecast that mention “Corvette,” that Detroit person said that while there was some accuracy to it, it was not completely correct — and would not say another word.
Thus, we are left not knowing what are the correct predictions nor the incorrect predictions. And thus we wait — at least until next January’s reveal, and even then, at that Reveal we only learn the parts that which is correct for the revealed model(s), and based on decades of history, GM staff there are not going to share any details about the motors will only later see in following year models.
The only way we are going to learn all at the Reveal is if, and this is one huge if, GM tells us then that the 6.2L OHV, the 4.2L DOHC, TT and the 5.5L DOHC, TT are all going to be available the first year of the ME.
When someone checked with an GM insider, showing that person the five key pages of the Markit Engine Forecast that mention “Corvette,” that Detroit person said that while there was some accuracy to it, it was not completely correct — and would not say another word.
Thus, we are left not knowing what are the correct predictions nor the incorrect predictions. And thus we wait — at least until next January’s reveal, and even then, at that Reveal we only learn the parts that which is correct for the revealed model(s), and based on decades of history, GM staff there are not going to share any details about the motors will only later see in following year models.
The only way we are going to learn all at the Reveal is if, and this is one huge if, GM tells us then that the 6.2L OHV, the 4.2L DOHC, TT and the 5.5L DOHC, TT are all going to be available the first year of the ME.
03-08-2018, 10:27 AM
#29
Thanks so much elegant!!! That's something I've been wondering about for quite a while. I'm also waiting for the Z06/ZR1 version of the mid engine. Have been 4th a local list since my Z06 arrived in Dec. 2014. Decided against a ZR1, mostly based on the engine forecast document and didn't want to risk trading it off just a year later.
03-14-2018, 10:10 AM
#30
"the same guys"
It did (does). It is a predictive document, and while based on some good sleuthing, it is not a GM document.
When someone checked with an GM insider, showing that person the five key pages of the Markit Engine Forecast that mention “Corvette,” that Detroit person said that while there was some accuracy to it, it was not completely correct — and would not say another word.
Thus, we are left not knowing what are the correct predictions nor the incorrect predictions. And thus we wait — at least until next January’s reveal, and even then, at that Reveal we only learn the parts that which is correct for the revealed model(s), and based on decades of history, GM staff there are not going to share any details about the motors will only later see in following year models.
The only way we are going to learn all at the Reveal is if, and this is one huge if, GM tells us then that the 6.2L OHV, the 4.2L DOHC, TT and the 5.5L DOHC, TT are all going to be available the first year of the ME.
When someone checked with an GM insider, showing that person the five key pages of the Markit Engine Forecast that mention “Corvette,” that Detroit person said that while there was some accuracy to it, it was not completely correct — and would not say another word.
Thus, we are left not knowing what are the correct predictions nor the incorrect predictions. And thus we wait — at least until next January’s reveal, and even then, at that Reveal we only learn the parts that which is correct for the revealed model(s), and based on decades of history, GM staff there are not going to share any details about the motors will only later see in following year models.
The only way we are going to learn all at the Reveal is if, and this is one huge if, GM tells us then that the 6.2L OHV, the 4.2L DOHC, TT and the 5.5L DOHC, TT are all going to be available the first year of the ME.
The second C8 will be the so called 'wide-body' version. This has a dual purpose in that it supports a hi-peformance street version and also the design used on the C8 race car program. I would not bet against an Atlanta track introduction of the street version this fall. The C7 and C8 will coexist in the market for a few years. There are also 'special editions' of the new C8 coming to!
03-14-2018, 12:00 PM
#31
Le Mans Master
If the C4, C5, C6, and C7 generations are any indications, I’ll bet the initial ME comes out w the carryover 6.2L, and the DOHCs are follow on year upgrades to get the Corvetteisti to buy the latest and greatest.
03-14-2018, 03:00 PM
#32
Safety Car
Thread Starter
That “formula” has worked well for GM in the past. And I believe it will be again what we see, that the first year ME does not offer the HP version, i.e., that we see, starting year 2 or 3 such things as more powerful motors, larger tire width (although perhaps not by much), advanced aero, larger brakes and similar.
However, there are more than a few of us who believe that “the formula” will change in one respect for the ME in that throughout the entire generation, the body width will remain the same.
Could we who believe that be wrong in that belief? Of course....
However, there are more than a few of us who believe that “the formula” will change in one respect for the ME in that throughout the entire generation, the body width will remain the same.
Could we who believe that be wrong in that belief? Of course....
Last edited by elegant; 03-14-2018 at 05:50 PM. Reason: Fixed typo.
03-14-2018, 04:57 PM
#33
Race Director
I believe we will see larger wheels and tires than we have seen in the spy photos to date in higher performance c8 models..
If that requires a wider stance or wider body work so be it....
It's an inexpensive way to show the higher performance version as it appears...
Slightly wider fenders and slightly wider tires...
If that requires a wider stance or wider body work so be it....
It's an inexpensive way to show the higher performance version as it appears...
Slightly wider fenders and slightly wider tires...
03-14-2018, 06:19 PM
#34
Burning Brakes
GM has consistently built a frame for the high-end, and then ramped up over the life-cycle.
Given the changes involved, it only makes sense to start slow and work into the more demanding models. Unforeseen issues, such as 'overheating' are much better handled in smaller blocks and they can make adjustments impact future models. By example, note the tuning of mag shocks with adjustments gleaned after release of the C7.
Dropping the full range into the market on day one would spell potential disaster that affects the brand.
Given the changes involved, it only makes sense to start slow and work into the more demanding models. Unforeseen issues, such as 'overheating' are much better handled in smaller blocks and they can make adjustments impact future models. By example, note the tuning of mag shocks with adjustments gleaned after release of the C7.
Dropping the full range into the market on day one would spell potential disaster that affects the brand.
03-14-2018, 06:43 PM
#35
Safety Car
It seems to me that the typical wider bodied Corvette is mostly about fitting wider than normal wheels and tires on the original design and then covering them with bodywork.
GM will probably continue this with the ME. The original design is usually a good all around wheel / tire choice; whereas, the wider wheel / tire combination is better for dry weather / track conditions.
GM will probably continue this with the ME. The original design is usually a good all around wheel / tire choice; whereas, the wider wheel / tire combination is better for dry weather / track conditions.
Last edited by Shaka; 03-15-2018 at 04:21 PM.
05-01-2018, 11:08 AM
#36
That “formula” has worked well for GM in the past. And I believe it will be again what we see, that the first year ME does not offer the HP version, i.e., that we see, starting year 2 or 3 such things as more powerful motors, larger tire width (although perhaps not by much), advanced aero, larger brakes and similar.
However, there are more than a few of us who believe that “the formula” will change in one respect for the ME in that throughout the entire generation, the body width will remain the same.
Could we who believe that be wrong in that belief? Of course....
However, there are more than a few of us who believe that “the formula” will change in one respect for the ME in that throughout the entire generation, the body width will remain the same.
Could we who believe that be wrong in that belief? Of course....
05-01-2018, 11:18 AM
#37
Drifting
this certainly falls in line with historical trends... i would suspect also that the higher more expensive version would also get the expensive active aero built in... that would justify the $100K + prices for the higher end versions while maintaining affordability for the entry version ( without it)
05-02-2018, 08:44 AM
#38
Race Director
Yep...wide body flared fenders amount to about an inch and a half...and occur in the second or third year of a new generation...
So I'd suggest since it's a way to get first year generational buyers back into the showrooms opening their fat wallets yet again successfully you can bet GM will continue the trend with the c8...and every other generation afterward....
So I'd suggest since it's a way to get first year generational buyers back into the showrooms opening their fat wallets yet again successfully you can bet GM will continue the trend with the c8...and every other generation afterward....
Last edited by JerriVette; 05-02-2018 at 08:45 AM.
05-02-2018, 11:45 AM
#39
I was talking with a couple of long-term Corvette friends and while we believe we will see a HP version(s) starting in year 2 (e.g., more power, bigger, maybe actively aero), we are all thinking that the ME will appear as a wide-body in year one, and not gain body panel width thereafter.
What do you think?
What do you think?
It seems to me that the typical wider bodied Corvette is mostly about fitting wider than normal wheels and tires on the original design and then covering them with bodywork.
GM will probably continue this with the ME. The original design is usually a good all around wheel / tire choice; whereas, the wider wheel / tire combination is better for dry weather / track conditions.
GM will probably continue this with the ME. The original design is usually a good all around wheel / tire choice; whereas, the wider wheel / tire combination is better for dry weather / track conditions.
LaFerrari wears Front: P265/30R19, rear: P345/30R20 and i'd say that's about right. So you're going to need a wider body to fit that tire.
05-02-2018, 01:16 PM
#40
Race Director
Well here's another thought..... The new ME could be priced at the LOW end of the Corvette line.... say in the $60-70K range and thus eliminate the base, Z51 and Grand Sport. Then as the 'performance' versions are introduced, they would phase out the Z06 and ZR1!!!
That would allow for more aggressive exterior styling to follow in years 2 and so on.
Anybody feel that the Corvette line will become a full series (like Porsche and Ferrari) with everything including sedans and SUV's???
By the way, the most recent additions to the Ferrari line was the California back 10 years ago, priced at the bottom of their line, although they always seem to slipped in various 'special editions'.....
That would allow for more aggressive exterior styling to follow in years 2 and so on.
Anybody feel that the Corvette line will become a full series (like Porsche and Ferrari) with everything including sedans and SUV's???
By the way, the most recent additions to the Ferrari line was the California back 10 years ago, priced at the bottom of their line, although they always seem to slipped in various 'special editions'.....
Last edited by jimmyb; 05-02-2018 at 01:17 PM.
