So who is going to service this new beast ?
03-15-2018, 12:44 PM
#21
Safety Car
Thats because you're stuck in the past. Things change and evolve. We're all watching the corvette slowly morph into a supercar. Whose to say a brand like Kia or Toyota can't have a car/line up that won't one day be considered luxurious on a BMW or Mercedes level???
On topic like others have already mentioned, there are good dealers out there. You just have to do some research.
On topic like others have already mentioned, there are good dealers out there. You just have to do some research.
The best Corvette mechanic in the south is John Erwin at Grieco Chevrolet Ft. Lauderdale Florida.
Last edited by Shaka; 03-15-2018 at 12:54 PM.
03-15-2018, 12:45 PM
#22
Race Director
I got a better one..I remember when the Lamborghini Muira msrp was $19995 and it was a supercar...
Don't sweat the time warp.....learn to go with the flow
kidding of course..l
If it walks like a duck, acts like a duck and quacks like a duck but it only cost xxx...it's still an F in duck...
Get with the program
03-19-2018, 09:55 AM
#23
Race Director
Many ME cars have removable inner fenders. Once removed (5 minutes) the entire side of the engine, transaxle, <radiators or coolers> are exposed for easy <eye level> access and service.
This is vastly better than having to crawl up on top of a FE car and reach down into the engine bay (especially with all the covers involved nowadays.) It is also better than access from underneath reaching up into the engine bay (with hot fluids dropping out.)
This is vastly better than having to crawl up on top of a FE car and reach down into the engine bay (especially with all the covers involved nowadays.) It is also better than access from underneath reaching up into the engine bay (with hot fluids dropping out.)
Changing oil is 2 drain plugs instead of 1, no big deal.
03-19-2018, 10:53 AM
#24
Drifting
Thread Starter
03-19-2018, 11:21 AM
#25
Race Director
My 2010 Tahoe past 178,000 miles the other day. It has had no maintenance besides oil, Trans fluid and plugs and plug Wires in that time. No check engine lights either. So GM can make a car that doesn’t need much service.
Last edited by rgregory; 03-19-2018 at 11:23 AM.
03-19-2018, 01:55 PM
#26
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by JerriVette
I got a better one..I remember when the Lamborghini Muira msrp was $19995 and it was a supercar...
Don't sweat the time warp.....learn to go with the flow
kidding of course..l
If it walks like a duck, acts like a duck and quacks like a duck but it only cost xxx...it's still an F in duck...
Get with the program
Don't sweat the time warp.....learn to go with the flow
kidding of course..l
If it walks like a duck, acts like a duck and quacks like a duck but it only cost xxx...it's still an F in duck...
Get with the program
Last edited by NY09C6; 03-20-2018 at 01:21 AM.
03-19-2018, 07:09 PM
#27
Race Director
i agree. Most all manufacturers use common brake pad sizes only the people that take cars to a dealer get screwed. Hell I saved a friend over a grand changing the brakes on his Mercedes for him.
03-20-2018, 10:46 AM
#28
Drifting
Thread Starter
5K for a brake job on a Z07 Vette ? Yeah, that would be cheap ! Go price the carbon ceramic rotors. Performance costs $$$. That fact you might have to travel hundreds of miles to a chevy dealer is exactly what i'm saying here since not every Chevy dealer will qualify to service these cars with a certified Covette C8 tech. I use the oil change threads as a simple example, huge confusion over what oil to use and how to fill it and check it on a dry sump engine. You think it will be better with a more complex supercar? Yes, there are lots of Chevy dealers that can do it right, but more still that can't. Would you think if GM truststhe C8 to the bunch that can't get simple things correct?
03-20-2018, 11:52 AM
#29
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by DickieDoo
5K for a brake job on a Z07 Vette ? Yeah, that would be cheap ! Go price the carbon ceramic rotors. Performance costs $$$. That fact you might have to travel hundreds of miles to a chevy dealer is exactly what i'm saying here since not every Chevy dealer will qualify to service these cars with a certified Covette C8 tech. I use the oil change threads as a simple example, huge confusion over what oil to use and how to fill it and check it on a dry sump engine. You think it will be better with a more complex supercar? Yes, there are lots of Chevy dealers that can do it right, but more still that can't. Would you think if GM truststhe C8 to the bunch that can't get simple things correct?
03-20-2018, 12:01 PM
#30
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We've known how to service carbon ceramic brakes on Corvettes since 2009.
Old news 10 years ago.
Old news 10 years ago.
03-26-2018, 10:08 AM
#31
After reading multiple threads about dealers that cannot properly change the oil on a dry sump car, I begin to wonder how they can possibly service and mid engine supercar ?
Everything is going to be different on this car and more difficult to get at.
You will need special training to even change the oil perhaps ??
So the service manuals must be being written right now and very very soon, the first teaching techs will be getting ready to train the dealer techs. This will be costly and only a limited few dealer will qualify to service this car. If you thought you had trouble getting good service before, you'll have to drive 100+ miles to a dealer that can service a ME.
Everything is going to be different on this car and more difficult to get at.
You will need special training to even change the oil perhaps ??
So the service manuals must be being written right now and very very soon, the first teaching techs will be getting ready to train the dealer techs. This will be costly and only a limited few dealer will qualify to service this car. If you thought you had trouble getting good service before, you'll have to drive 100+ miles to a dealer that can service a ME.
03-26-2018, 10:09 AM
#32
03-26-2018, 10:12 AM
#33
5K for a brake job on a Z07 Vette ? Yeah, that would be cheap ! Go price the carbon ceramic rotors. Performance costs $$$. That fact you might have to travel hundreds of miles to a chevy dealer is exactly what i'm saying here since not every Chevy dealer will qualify to service these cars with a certified Covette C8 tech. I use the oil change threads as a simple example, huge confusion over what oil to use and how to fill it and check it on a dry sump engine. You think it will be better with a more complex supercar? Yes, there are lots of Chevy dealers that can do it right, but more still that can't. Would you think if GM truststhe C8 to the bunch that can't get simple things correct?
03-26-2018, 10:13 AM
#34
03-26-2018, 10:15 AM
#35
Many ME cars have removable inner fenders. Once removed (5 minutes) the entire side of the engine, transaxle, <radiators or coolers> are exposed for easy <eye level> access and service.
This is vastly better than having to crawl up on top of a FE car and reach down into the engine bay (especially with all the covers involved nowadays.) It is also better than access from underneath reaching up into the engine bay (with hot fluids dropping out.)
This is vastly better than having to crawl up on top of a FE car and reach down into the engine bay (especially with all the covers involved nowadays.) It is also better than access from underneath reaching up into the engine bay (with hot fluids dropping out.)
03-26-2018, 11:01 AM
#36
Drifting
Thread Starter
That's a good point, if they have not been to training, then the training should already be scheduled... we'll have to ask some corvette techs at the bigger dealers. "have you been scheduled to go to the C8 program yet?"
03-26-2018, 11:07 AM
#37
Drifting
Thread Starter
Shouldn't be, but there was! Literally hundreds of posts of dealers who were putting in their bulk Dexos, semi-synthetics into these cars. Many owners had to bring in GM service bulletins to dealers so they wouldn't have to argue with them about which oil to use. And lots of posts on how the oil levels on the dry sump cars, were never done properly. An oil change is a relatively simple task, and yets many many issues...
I do hope the maintenance aspects were engineered in, but i can guarantee you that without restricting service to those dealers that have a clue, we will see all kinds of servicing nightmares.
I do hope the maintenance aspects were engineered in, but i can guarantee you that without restricting service to those dealers that have a clue, we will see all kinds of servicing nightmares.
03-26-2018, 11:31 AM
#38
Team Owner
Shouldn't be, but there was! Literally hundreds of posts of dealers who were putting in their bulk Dexos, semi-synthetics into these cars. Many owners had to bring in GM service bulletins to dealers so they wouldn't have to argue with them about which oil to use. And lots of posts on how the oil levels on the dry sump cars, were never done properly. An oil change is a relatively simple task, and yets many many issues...
I do hope the maintenance aspects were engineered in, but i can guarantee you that without restricting service to those dealers that have a clue, we will see all kinds of servicing nightmares.
I do hope the maintenance aspects were engineered in, but i can guarantee you that without restricting service to those dealers that have a clue, we will see all kinds of servicing nightmares.
I decided right then, that a dealer would never change the oil in my Z06. It's been nearly ten years of me doing the oil changes on my Z06(as well as my other three cars) and I haven't screwed it up yet.
03-26-2018, 11:42 AM
#39
Corvette Tech
I have an outstanding Corvette Tech who has never once let me down. Besides his love of vehicles and his 30 years of experience, he has over the years cultivated relationships with the special ”internal help line” GM has for its Tech’s. So if he is not positive of what needs to be done to fix my Corvette, instead of his wasting time trying to figure out those unusual things (on my nickel), he doesn’t have an ego and instead calls the help line and they together figure out the cause of my Corvette issue and its most efficient solution.
True, along the way, I “fired” two Chevy dealerships for their incompetence. Then I got smart many years ago talked to lots of Corvette owners in our area and found one person they all raved about, e.g., my current Tech.
We do not neccsarily go to the closest restaurant to us, the closest doctor, nor the closest financial advisor, yet it never stops to amaze my how lazy car owners are when selecting their “car doctor.” We need to do our part in selecting a great GM Corvette Tech. They are out there.
True, along the way, I “fired” two Chevy dealerships for their incompetence. Then I got smart many years ago talked to lots of Corvette owners in our area and found one person they all raved about, e.g., my current Tech.
We do not neccsarily go to the closest restaurant to us, the closest doctor, nor the closest financial advisor, yet it never stops to amaze my how lazy car owners are when selecting their “car doctor.” We need to do our part in selecting a great GM Corvette Tech. They are out there.
Thank You
Scott
03-27-2018, 04:12 AM
#40
Race Director
The beauty of buying a GM product is that for the most part costs or rather hours of labor for service are held in check from the get go.
Most service will be done with the engine in place yet when the more serious services need to be accomplished the rear subframe drop will be organized and easy.
I'll imagine four hours and four bolts...(kidding but it will be organized and properly communicated to GM world class techs )
Figure an extra five hundred for major services to drop the engine when needed...
Purchasing the GMEPP warranty for extended ownership will prove a smart choice but I always feel the cost of GMEPP makes its purchase a non decision...
Ymmv
Most service will be done with the engine in place yet when the more serious services need to be accomplished the rear subframe drop will be organized and easy.
I'll imagine four hours and four bolts...(kidding but it will be organized and properly communicated to GM world class techs )
Figure an extra five hundred for major services to drop the engine when needed...
Purchasing the GMEPP warranty for extended ownership will prove a smart choice but I always feel the cost of GMEPP makes its purchase a non decision...
Ymmv