Why so much interest in mid-engine C8?
04-09-2018, 09:40 PM
#141
Race Director
Probably causing GM to restyle the retro camaro even faster...
Full on restyle has to be coming...
As far as future GM product styling being good...? I'm out after seeing what GM designers did to the sixth gen camaro today...
Wow! I've never seen anything so bad...
Maybe its just the photographer?
All that said....I'm sure the rear mid engine corvette will have plenty of space in the two trunks...just buy soft luggage
Maybe GM will sell fitted luggage for all those who want hard luggage for their road trips...
Last edited by JerriVette; 04-09-2018 at 09:43 PM.
04-09-2018, 10:24 PM
#142
Le Mans Master
What we are seeing today is a mid cycle refresh....and I agree it's not very attractive..
Probably causing GM to restyle the retro camaro even faster...
Full on restyle has to be coming...
As far as future GM product styling being good...? I'm out after seeing what GM designers did to the sixth gen camaro today...
Wow! I've never seen anything so bad...
Maybe its just the photographer?
All that said....I'm sure the rear mid engine corvette will have plenty of space in the two trunks...just buy soft luggage
Maybe GM will sell fitted luggage for all those who want hard luggage for their road trips...
Probably causing GM to restyle the retro camaro even faster...
Full on restyle has to be coming...
As far as future GM product styling being good...? I'm out after seeing what GM designers did to the sixth gen camaro today...
Wow! I've never seen anything so bad...
Maybe its just the photographer?
All that said....I'm sure the rear mid engine corvette will have plenty of space in the two trunks...just buy soft luggage
Maybe GM will sell fitted luggage for all those who want hard luggage for their road trips...
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JerriVette (04-09-2018)
04-10-2018, 10:08 AM
#143
Safety Car
Different strokes for different folks. My wife and I took a look at this, and both said, “we like it.”
04-10-2018, 11:39 AM
#145
Banned Scam/Spammer
IF GM is going to have a 2020 FE that is "refreshed" it would be nice to know. No way in heck am I going to be able to swing 100K for a car.
Last edited by lostsoul; 04-10-2018 at 11:40 AM.
04-10-2018, 08:15 PM
#146
Team Owner
You need to read the SAE article about the new 1963 Corvette, that was partly written by Zora Arkus-Duntov.
Duntov was pretty excited about the 1963 Corvette and he explained why they did not choose a mid engine layout nor a rear transaxle layout for the 1963 Corvette.
As for the layout for the C5, Dave McLellan(chief engineer) and Chuck Jordan(Design vice-President) liked the mid engine layout, but Jim Perkins(Chevrolet General Manager) was hot for the front engine, rear transmission idea.
Guess who was the boss and who wasn't when it came down to mid engine vs front engine for the C5. The front engine, rear transmission was considered for the 1963 Corvette was deemed too expensive. As it was designed, the 1963 Corvette had a 47%/53% weight distribution and a 16.5" center of gravity. The C5/C6/C7 base car has a 51%/49% weight distribution with a 17.5" center of gravity.
As everyone knows, the front engine C5 was a huge success(lots of them made and a lots of money made for GM), and the C5 kept the Corvette from being scrapped. Four years into production, the C5 wasn't selling for 20% off MSRP as what has happened with the C7.
Duntov was pretty excited about the 1963 Corvette and he explained why they did not choose a mid engine layout nor a rear transaxle layout for the 1963 Corvette.
As for the layout for the C5, Dave McLellan(chief engineer) and Chuck Jordan(Design vice-President) liked the mid engine layout, but Jim Perkins(Chevrolet General Manager) was hot for the front engine, rear transmission idea.
Guess who was the boss and who wasn't when it came down to mid engine vs front engine for the C5. The front engine, rear transmission was considered for the 1963 Corvette was deemed too expensive. As it was designed, the 1963 Corvette had a 47%/53% weight distribution and a 16.5" center of gravity. The C5/C6/C7 base car has a 51%/49% weight distribution with a 17.5" center of gravity.
As everyone knows, the front engine C5 was a huge success(lots of them made and a lots of money made for GM), and the C5 kept the Corvette from being scrapped. Four years into production, the C5 wasn't selling for 20% off MSRP as what has happened with the C7.
04-11-2018, 12:36 AM
#148
Instructor
Because it's a reliable affordable ferrari :P
As the proud new owner of a C7Z and an avid GM customer for most of my life, I'm having a hard time understanding why so many folks appear to be interested in, and excited about, the possibility of a mid-engine American sports/muscle car (which is how I classify the Vette).
I simply can't imagine popping the hood of a Vette and finding a trunk where the engine is supposed to be! I gotta figure that such a car would be much more difficult to work on and I'm not looking forward to hearing or feeling the engine behind me.
So, aside from the possible benefit of better handling on the race track (which, realistically, includes a small percentage of us), why would any Vette owner want a FerrariVette? Why not just leave the Vette alone and buy a Ferrari instead?
For my part, I hope they always make a front-engine version of this awesome car! Seems to me it's already got a great following and does pretty well on the track as it is...
I simply can't imagine popping the hood of a Vette and finding a trunk where the engine is supposed to be! I gotta figure that such a car would be much more difficult to work on and I'm not looking forward to hearing or feeling the engine behind me.
So, aside from the possible benefit of better handling on the race track (which, realistically, includes a small percentage of us), why would any Vette owner want a FerrariVette? Why not just leave the Vette alone and buy a Ferrari instead?
For my part, I hope they always make a front-engine version of this awesome car! Seems to me it's already got a great following and does pretty well on the track as it is...
04-12-2018, 02:37 PM
#149
I cant afford a ferrari.. hence the c7 Grand sport 
I do track..
would have to be high revving, and a manual trans and mid engine to get me to switch
I do track.. would have to be high revving, and a manual trans and mid engine to get me to switch
04-12-2018, 06:15 PM
#150
OP, have you ever driven a mid engine car?? Its truly an awesome experience. I am very excited for this change. And worst case, the c7Z's become really cheap which I wouldn't be mad about either.
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JerriVette (04-13-2018)
04-17-2018, 01:49 PM
#151
Le Mans Master
I have been shopping pretty hard for my next sports car. I'm picky. I want open roof motoring of some sort. I want dealers available, air service prices, light weight, etc...
There really is no choice but a Corvette the way I see it.
The McLaren 570GT Spider is just too expensive, but even if I waited for a used one and broke the bank, you can't get them serviced and they are unreliable. No manual trans either. All that's a deal killer for me.
Lotus Evora400 used. Overpriced, not that fast, lame powertrain, poor reliability, etc...
Porsche 911s just don't go fast enough in the budget I have. I would love a GT3 though.
New NA Porsche Cayman (would not even consider the 4 cylinder turbo engine) is very pricey to buy, no deals, expensive to maintain. This would likely be my second choice and maybe my first if I had much more net worth.
A sea of used Lambos, Ferraris, etc.. All unreliable and not that fast for the money and issues. I'm not ego driven and prefer to fly under the radar so pulling up in one of these would be a bit embarrassing to me.
Out of the current options on the new/ lightly used market I am left with the C7GS as the car for me to own for my purposes. But it's not different enough from my modified C6, it's not a ME. But it's the fastest, most reliable, easy to service, affordable, etc... It's the easy choice. If I don't like the C8, a C7GS will be my next purchase and it'll get a NA 427 ci as soon as I get it home.
For me, this is why the ME C8 is so fascinating. I will be able to own a true supercar (my definition!), with a maintenance schedule and acquisition/ depreciation price that I can stomach. And the performance will be astounding! I hope it's light. I hope it's got a manual (but I'm learning to accept that it probably won't). I hope I can buy a nice new one for about $75K.
There really is no choice but a Corvette the way I see it.
The McLaren 570GT Spider is just too expensive, but even if I waited for a used one and broke the bank, you can't get them serviced and they are unreliable. No manual trans either. All that's a deal killer for me.
Lotus Evora400 used. Overpriced, not that fast, lame powertrain, poor reliability, etc...
Porsche 911s just don't go fast enough in the budget I have. I would love a GT3 though.
New NA Porsche Cayman (would not even consider the 4 cylinder turbo engine) is very pricey to buy, no deals, expensive to maintain. This would likely be my second choice and maybe my first if I had much more net worth.
A sea of used Lambos, Ferraris, etc.. All unreliable and not that fast for the money and issues. I'm not ego driven and prefer to fly under the radar so pulling up in one of these would be a bit embarrassing to me.
Out of the current options on the new/ lightly used market I am left with the C7GS as the car for me to own for my purposes. But it's not different enough from my modified C6, it's not a ME. But it's the fastest, most reliable, easy to service, affordable, etc... It's the easy choice. If I don't like the C8, a C7GS will be my next purchase and it'll get a NA 427 ci as soon as I get it home.
For me, this is why the ME C8 is so fascinating. I will be able to own a true supercar (my definition!), with a maintenance schedule and acquisition/ depreciation price that I can stomach. And the performance will be astounding! I hope it's light. I hope it's got a manual (but I'm learning to accept that it probably won't). I hope I can buy a nice new one for about $75K.
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ArmchairArchitect (04-18-2018)
04-17-2018, 02:02 PM
#152
Safety Car
I have been shopping pretty hard for my next sports car. I'm picky. I want open roof motoring of some sort. I want dealers available, air service prices, light weight, etc...
There really is no choice but a Corvette the way I see it.
The McLaren 570GT Spider is just too expensive, but even if I waited for a used one and broke the bank, you can't get them serviced and they are unreliable. No manual trans either. All that's a deal killer for me.
Lotus Evora400 used. Overpriced, not that fast, lame powertrain, poor reliability, etc...
Porsche 911s just don't go fast enough in the budget I have. I would love a GT3 though.
New NA Porsche Cayman (would not even consider the 4 cylinder turbo engine) is very pricey to buy, no deals, expensive to maintain. This would likely be my second choice and maybe my first if I had much more net worth.
A sea of used Lambos, Ferraris, etc.. All unreliable and not that fast for the money and issues. I'm not ego driven and prefer to fly under the radar so pulling up in one of these would be a bit embarrassing to me.
Out of the current options on the new/ lightly used market I am left with the C7GS as the car for me to own for my purposes. But it's not different enough from my modified C6, it's not a ME. But it's the fastest, most reliable, easy to service, affordable, etc... It's the easy choice. If I don't like the C8, a C7GS will be my next purchase and it'll get a NA 427 ci as soon as I get it home.
For me, this is why the ME C8 is so fascinating. I will be able to own a true supercar (my definition!), with a maintenance schedule and acquisition/ depreciation price that I can stomach. And the performance will be astounding! I hope it's light. I hope it's got a manual (but I'm learning to accept that it probably won't). I hope I can buy a nice new one for about $75K.
There really is no choice but a Corvette the way I see it.
The McLaren 570GT Spider is just too expensive, but even if I waited for a used one and broke the bank, you can't get them serviced and they are unreliable. No manual trans either. All that's a deal killer for me.
Lotus Evora400 used. Overpriced, not that fast, lame powertrain, poor reliability, etc...
Porsche 911s just don't go fast enough in the budget I have. I would love a GT3 though.
New NA Porsche Cayman (would not even consider the 4 cylinder turbo engine) is very pricey to buy, no deals, expensive to maintain. This would likely be my second choice and maybe my first if I had much more net worth.
A sea of used Lambos, Ferraris, etc.. All unreliable and not that fast for the money and issues. I'm not ego driven and prefer to fly under the radar so pulling up in one of these would be a bit embarrassing to me.
Out of the current options on the new/ lightly used market I am left with the C7GS as the car for me to own for my purposes. But it's not different enough from my modified C6, it's not a ME. But it's the fastest, most reliable, easy to service, affordable, etc... It's the easy choice. If I don't like the C8, a C7GS will be my next purchase and it'll get a NA 427 ci as soon as I get it home.
For me, this is why the ME C8 is so fascinating. I will be able to own a true supercar (my definition!), with a maintenance schedule and acquisition/ depreciation price that I can stomach. And the performance will be astounding! I hope it's light. I hope it's got a manual (but I'm learning to accept that it probably won't). I hope I can buy a nice new one for about $75K.
Sometimes you have to get the slower car. You can either get a balanced well built car or a fast car that is sloppy. A used 6 cyl Cayman should be fast enough and more redeeming in terms of dynamics. When you have a budget you have to make hard choices.
Then there are running costs. If you do HPDEs you'll spend enough in tires, gas, and brakes on a C7 GS that you will effectively square up against a 100k Porsche in only a couple of years.
04-17-2018, 03:08 PM
#153
Burning Brakes
I don't know that a C7 would be more reliable than what you listed as unreliable. The redeeming feature of the C7 is that the warranty claims are approved easily but the car brakes down at a record rate. I would think the Evora and Lambos should be fairly close, I have no idea on the F cars.
Sometimes you have to get the slower car. You can either get a balanced well built car or a fast car that is sloppy. A used 6 cyl Cayman should be fast enough and more redeeming in terms of dynamics. When you have a budget you have to make hard choices.
Then there are running costs. If you do HPDEs you'll spend enough in tires, gas, and brakes on a C7 GS that you will effectively square up against a 100k Porsche in only a couple of years.
Sometimes you have to get the slower car. You can either get a balanced well built car or a fast car that is sloppy. A used 6 cyl Cayman should be fast enough and more redeeming in terms of dynamics. When you have a budget you have to make hard choices.
Then there are running costs. If you do HPDEs you'll spend enough in tires, gas, and brakes on a C7 GS that you will effectively square up against a 100k Porsche in only a couple of years.
My C7 is almost 5 years old and has had nothing but routine maintenance at the Chevy dealer down the street. THAT is a big advantage. Porsche's also are relatively easy to find service for, but probably a little more expensive to have done. The important thing is find a good mechanic who you can talk to and who is not 250 miles away. The ME C8 will likely share ease and affordability of maintenance with the C7, no matter where the engine is.
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