New ME In The Wild Video
05-21-2018, 09:38 AM
#81
Correct. The C5 was the first all new Corvette ever in history. Even the 1953 used more carry over parts from different models. C5 was truly a clean sheet of paper.
05-21-2018, 09:47 AM
#82
Burning Brakes
I expect the C8 Stingray to be 96% new, 4% LT1. The Z06 should be 100% new compared to the C7. The number of parts should decrease thanks to that new 3D printing and parts simulation technology.
05-21-2018, 10:19 AM
#83
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I'd be equally surprised at at 5.5l fpc. There is a reason you don't see larger displacement fpc engines above 5.0l or so, and that's because they shake themselves to pieces.
Even Ford with its 5.2l (which is quite large for a fpc engine), and its customers are seeing those shake themselves apart.
If GM does a fpc engine, I'd expect it to be in the size range more commonly found for those architectures - i.e. something in the 4.x liter range. And an engine that size would need to be FI (TT, for example) to make decent power with today's tailpipe limits.
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05-21-2018, 10:49 AM
#84
Le Mans Master
What exactly is happening to the Flat Plane Crank engines in the Fords? Or is it the chassis' that are having problems?
I understand those motors are just a blast to drive, however, these are still street cars and reliability is really important.
I understand those motors are just a blast to drive, however, these are still street cars and reliability is really important.
05-21-2018, 11:03 AM
#85
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Quinten you make a really good point. However, where we might disagree is on the percentage of new parts. While we agree that the ME will have zero carryover exterior parts, one of the ways that its price point will delightfully surprise, is that many “hidden/inside parts” will be carried over, and not just talking about engine bolts and pop clips. We could see such carryover parts as window glass motors, emergency brake release motor, and similar be carried over — as many as GM can to keep manufacturing new parts, and therefore the ME’s cost down.
As to its price pleasure, expect manufacturing efficiencies, for example that the major instrument panel assembly will be made right along side the C7’s within the existing BGA IP sub-assembly line. Many other sub-assemblies will also be made within existing current areas — again be put together intertwined with the same sub-assembly area as for the C7.
As to its price pleasure, expect manufacturing efficiencies, for example that the major instrument panel assembly will be made right along side the C7’s within the existing BGA IP sub-assembly line. Many other sub-assemblies will also be made within existing current areas — again be put together intertwined with the same sub-assembly area as for the C7.
05-21-2018, 11:46 AM
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Bottom end/bearing failures in the engines.
05-21-2018, 12:20 PM
#87
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Quinten you make a really good point. However, where we might disagree is on the percentage of new parts. While we agree that the ME will have zero carryover exterior parts, one of the ways that its price point will delightfully surprise, is that many “hidden/inside parts” will be carried over, and not just talking about engine bolts and pop clips. We could see such carryover parts as window glass motors, emergency brake release motor, and similar be carried over — as many as GM can to keep manufacturing new parts, and therefore the ME’s cost down.
As to its price pleasure, expect manufacturing efficiencies, for example that the major instrument panel assembly will be made right along side the C7’s within the existing BGA IP sub-assembly line. Many other sub-assemblies will also be made within existing current areas — again be put together intertwined with the same sub-assembly area as for the C7.
As to its price pleasure, expect manufacturing efficiencies, for example that the major instrument panel assembly will be made right along side the C7’s within the existing BGA IP sub-assembly line. Many other sub-assemblies will also be made within existing current areas — again be put together intertwined with the same sub-assembly area as for the C7.
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05-22-2018, 04:58 PM
#88
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Quinten you make a really good point. However, where we might disagree is on the percentage of new parts. While we agree that the ME will have zero carryover exterior parts, one of the ways that its price point will delightfully surprise, is that many “hidden/inside parts” will be carried over, and not just talking about engine bolts and pop clips. We could see such carryover parts as window glass motors, emergency brake release motor, and similar be carried over — as many as GM can to keep manufacturing new parts, and therefore the ME’s cost down.
As to its price pleasure, expect manufacturing efficiencies, for example that the major instrument panel assembly will be made right along side the C7’s within the existing BGA IP sub-assembly line. Many other sub-assemblies will also be made within existing current areas — again be put together intertwined with the same sub-assembly area as for the C7.
As to its price pleasure, expect manufacturing efficiencies, for example that the major instrument panel assembly will be made right along side the C7’s within the existing BGA IP sub-assembly line. Many other sub-assemblies will also be made within existing current areas — again be put together intertwined with the same sub-assembly area as for the C7.
I'm pretty sure GM's economies of scale DWARF Alfa Romeo/Fiat.
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05-23-2018, 01:18 PM
#89
It surprises me that folks STILL think the C8 is going to be crowding 6 figures when it comes out. Historical precedence along with $800 MILLION invested in Bowling Green Assembly tells you that GM won't ignore Corvette history OR invest that heavily to make LESS cars. There's this notion that mid-engine cars are considerably more expensive to produce than front engine cars. If that were the case, how in the world does Alfa Romeo produce the carbon fiber tubbed, DCT equipped 4C for $55,900 BASE PRICE?
I'm pretty sure GM's economies of scale DWARF Alfa Romeo/Fiat.
I'm pretty sure GM's economies of scale DWARF Alfa Romeo/Fiat.
Of course, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the price of those cars.
Like a political discussion, no amount of debate or evidence to the contrary will change their POV.
Ignorance overrides reason every time...
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05-23-2018, 06:11 PM
#90
Le Mans Master
This sounds AWFUL! I hope that's not the final exhaust tuning. It doesn't even sound like a V8.
Next!
Next!
05-23-2018, 06:59 PM
#91
Pimp! You’re alive!??
05-24-2018, 09:02 AM
#93
Banned Scam/Spammer
05-24-2018, 10:02 AM
#94
Burning Brakes
05-24-2018, 11:27 AM
#95
Le Mans Master
I.e. exhaust tip shape is weird, wheel arches all wrong, gauges only go to 180, no hood scoop, etc... It's pure entertainment really.
05-24-2018, 12:10 PM
#97
Race Director
And for Michael A (even though he won't see it as I am on his "ignore" list....an honor I cherish, BTW)
Sung to the tune of "Rawhide"
Trollin', Trollin, Trollin,
Keep the dumbness rollin'
Keep them complaints a flowin'
INTERNETTTTT.....
Don't try to understand 'em
Just smack 'em 'round and ban 'em
Soon they'll be trollin' another site
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05-24-2018, 12:16 PM
#98
Race Director
I remember when the C6 ZR1 came out, all these guys were:
1. I'm not paying over MSRP, call me when it's MSRP and I'll buy
2. Well, it's at MSRP but I'm not buying until I get a 5% discount
3. Well, they're offering a 5% discount, but I'll wait for 10% and THEN I'll buy.
4. Damn, the C7 is out now...I hate the taillights.....
I can't IMAGINE that Michael A would have an ISSUE with the exhaust sound....(he's the guy that wants a quiet Corvette)
Last edited by jimmyb; 05-24-2018 at 12:17 PM.
05-24-2018, 12:59 PM
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05-24-2018, 01:24 PM
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