obzidian

Just want to prefix this post by stating the obvious: autos are not faster than manuals. If this is your core belief then YOU are slow, not the car.

ok, now that is out of the way.... obviously this has been discussed before but I felt the need to bring it up again.

how many of you feel that without a manual trans, no matter how badass this car will be, its going to be a another overpriced tin-can on wheels?

One of the most important factors to me is that the manual transmission is avaiable on the exotic crushing c5/c6/c7 and before.... why not on the new ME car??

why fall prey to the BS behind autos abd the rest of the manufactures with their garbage riding dct's??

I say GM, stand above them all, deliver a ME with a manual trans, price it right and watch everyone **** in their own bowls of cereal from fear and pure snobby disgust for a car with 3 pedals.

This is America, we do **** out own way.... we need an American ME with a manual trans.

Dale!!

RoketRdr

Drugs are bad for you. Stop doing them.

ByByBMW

If the new ME does NOT have a DCT, then I am out. No need for the old fashioned manual especially the way Chevy builds them with fluid getting dirty and needing constant flushing. My 2008 Z06 had the WORST manual/clutch I have ever driven in over 50 years of driving. I'm American, a veteran, and we do not NEED a manual. Want maybe but not need.

fasttoys

DCT this time for me.

elegant

I am making the conversion from 53 clutched manuals in a row to the DCT. Times change and engineering advances, and so I am going to do likewise.

I like what Tadge once said, “imagine if the automatic came first, and someone asked would you like to change to a slower car with its extra pedal?”

NY09C6

If you are not into constant fluid changes DCT is not for you. Most require regular costly fluid/filter changes. Audi gets almost a grand for this even on their low end cars. Porsche is even higher.

NY09C6

I would answer yes without hesitation.

Bill Dearborn

Part of the reason why a lot of people don't buy those brands. Over priced service designed to fleece the well to do.

Bill

Michael A

How much slower? If the manual was a second slower to 60, I'd care. A tenth or two to 60, I don't care. I'm not using it in competition. I couldn't even afford to use it in competition, even if I wanted to. I would never know the difference, because I'm not timing my street car against other cars. It's about the day to day driving experience. I've driven DCTs, and they are just fast automatic transmissions. There is no skill involved, so there is no fun factor.

Tadge is correct if you are trying to build the fastest car possible. However, the cars are so fast now, how much faster can you go on the street before you end up in jail? I'll take the "slower" manual. Tadge needs to remember that not everyone is headed to a timed event on the track.

How far do we want to take it where the car design is based on the best technology? We are not far off where computers will be able drive cars better than humans. Take the steering wheel out of the Corvette?

JoesC5

99% on this forum needs to remember that.

John Micheal Henry

DTC will be just fine in the C8. As for the manual, I'll be keeping my C7..

ByByBMW

Yes they require regular fluid changes on the DCT, at 10 years or 120,000 miles, not what I would call frequent.

PS That is from my maintenance manual for my 2013 Boxster.

ByByBMW

I can't argue with this and I am not well to do.

Racer X

I would prefer a manual. Perhaps I am a control freak.

As for an automatic, I don't care which technology, torque converter, DCT, Sequential, planetary gear, light drive, plasma drive..... I don't care. whichever gets the job done. If it is not a manual, it is just a black box and I don't care what's inside, only the result.

johnglenntwo

Tending towards another Piggy!

KnightDriveTV

For one, we aren't 100% sure what the car will have. Demand dictates product, for the mostpart. That said, if GM can only put the manual gearbox in the mid engine car, then making it for a small sect of buyers could drive the price up on manuals. Could be a calculable risk but...Gm isn't exactly a company that worries about purists...they sell what they can build cheapest and make reliable margins/sales.

In this current world, in case you haven't noticed, most people feel driving a manual is so slow that they don't even want one. Even Tadge described driving a manual gearbox as dated and "grabbing a little stick to change gears" as being a mundane process. With your chief engineer talking like that...might as well forget about it.

Manual gearbox mid engine would send waves through the car community as the enthusiast buy like no other...which is exactly why you can count on them to likely not do it...lol.

Me personally, I could care less about some 1-3 seconds on a racetrack, I buy cars to drive them, heel-toe, stay engaged and focused. I don't want driver assists and automatics. I'm the fringe though, and Tadge and co. doesn't care about the fringes.

In the end, it'll be fast, DCT hopefully...and will likely be sick enough to change your mind if you're a real deal buyer...which, at this stage...I'm definitely not. Though I did get approved on a 42k vehicle at 3.5% this morning with zero down, a 100k Corvette is another story.

Suns_PSD

Probst was faster in the manual Camaro than the 10 speed auto
But that's just a nice bonus for me, I have to have a manual.

MitchAlsup

So, you can shift up in 50ms (0.050 seconds) and down in another 50ms ?!?

That is about 10X faster than the very vast majority of high proficiency manual drivers.

JoesC5

And a DCT does not have a clutch pedal and the associated master cylinder and slave cylinder for the throwout bearing as does the manual transmission that is used on the C5/C6/C7, that requires flushing every two years.

Money saved for five flushes not required by a DCT in that 10 years.

GM does not make a recommendation on when to change the manual transmission fluid, But I would not want to run it past 100,000 miles under severe usage(high performance). They do recommend changing the hydramatic transmission fluid every 50,000 miles under severe usage conditions.

" Change automatic transmission fluid and filter if the vehicle is mainly driven under one or more of these conditions: − In heavy city traffic where the outside temperature regularly reaches 90°F (32°C) or higher. − In hilly or mountainous terrain. − Uses such as high performance operation."

Unfortunately, there are many in the C8 section that believe that just because they can afford a $100,000+ Corvette, that the remaining 80% of Corvette buyers can also afford $100,000 toy.

Is GM lying to us again when they state that the C7 Z06 A8 is quicker 0-60 by .25 seconds vs the M7 and runs the 1/4 mile .25 seconds quicker than the C7 Z06 M7.

To me that seems to read that the auto is faster than the manual.

I also believe that Porsche states that the PDK(DCT) is quicker 0-60 than the same car when equipped with a manual transmission, by .4 seconds.

_zebra

this crap's why i'm still driving a 20yr-old truck, and even when it comes time to replace it, it'll be with a used dodge diesel (the power-limited ones) for the simple fact they're the newest trucks that still have 3 pedals.
i'd lose my mind of boredom if all i had was an auto or even a stupid paddle shift DCT... this ain't a nintendo game; it's driving.

ditto. i prefer my driving to require more attention, skill, and intentionality.

shoot, i'll stick with my C5 - fewer electronic nannies & gizmos