The 7 GM mid-engine prototypes hat never made it into production
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The 7 GM mid-engine prototypes hat never made it into production
So we went 0 for 7? Then we hit it out of the park, with bases loaded in the nineth, on our 8th time at bat.
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7 Mid-engine Corvette Prototypes That Never Made it to Production
Lets reminisce about the mid-engine Corvettes we almost saw.
For a period, GM seriously considered developing a mid-engine platform for the Corvette. Here are the cars with which they explored the mid-engine Corvette concept.
Of course, Ford and its overtures to bring the GT40 to the market as a street car must have had some impact on the boys at Chevrolet Engineering, as did the Lamborghini Muira. Despite numerous concept cars shown to the public over the year, with car magazines breathlessly announcing that the next Corvette will be mid-engine, it hasn’t happened. Until now.
1964 Corvette XP-819 Rear Engine
The XP-819 wasn’t really a mid-engine car, but rather had its engine XP-819 was the result of a clash between Zora Arkus-Duntov (The ‘father’ of the Corvette) and engineer Frank Winchell, who’d been involved with the Corvair project. Winchell contended that you could make a balanced, rear-engine, V-8 powered sports car with an aluminum engine and larger tires on the rear to compensate for the rear weight bias. Duntov adamantly disagreed. A GM marine engine powered the car so the two-speed transaxle from a Pontiac Tempest would operate properly. The entire chassis, suspension, and steering are custom made components unique to this car.
It turned out that Winchell’s theory about rear-engine, V-8 cars was incorrect. The car was demolished on the test track and quickly forgotten. However, stylist Larry Shinoda’s design was well received. Shinoda appears to have picked up styling cues from the Chaparral race cars. It even had Chaparral wheels.
While not a true mid-engine car, it was in reality a rear-engine car with its engine hanging out over the back, Porsche style. It’s important to our story as it drove development toward true mid-engine designs.
1968 Astro II XP-880 Mid Engine
Above all else, it was its success in racing that made the Corvette legend. Sports racing car development in the 1960s was dynamic, with the Ford GT40 and the Chevrolet-backed Chaparral both designed around a mid-engine layout. The XP-880 (Astro II) was the first of several experimental, mid-engine Corvettes that had enthusiasts convinced for more than a decade that the next Corvette would carry its Chevy V8 in the middle of the car.
The Astro II was designed to showcase its mid-engine powertrain application. Chevy R&D’s first mid-engine Corvette positioned a big-block V-8 backwards in the car so the starter and ring gear were behind the driver’s elbow. The torque converter from the Tempest transaxle bolted to what’s normally the nose of the crank. The finished car weighed 200 pounds less than a stock 427 Corvette, but the transaxle was designed for an intermediate sedan, not a 7 liter motor, and couldn’t handle the power.
With its 427 engine, the Astro II was more like a Can-Am racer than a street car. Even with production Camaro and Corvette suspension parts, and performance street tires, the Astro II generated 1.0 g of cornering grip, which at that time was a level only race cars could achieve. Astro II weighed in at 300 lbs less than a production Corvette, yet had almost the same external dimensions.
1969 Mid Engine XP-882
The experimental XP-882 looked production-ready, thus fueling rumors that the next Corvette would be a mid- engine design. GM built two XP-882 chassis for evaluation, but only one had the bodywork shown here. Zora Arkus-Duntov’s solution to the XP-880’s transaxle problem was to mate a 454 big block V8 to a FWD Toronado transmission, and then mount it all transversely to lower the mass. A bevel-gear driven shaft ran back to a Chevy differential, passing through a hole in the oil pan along the way. It could handle the power, but the powertrain weighed in at a heavyweight 950 pounds.
1972 Two Rotor XP-897 GT
In the early 1970s, a number of manufacturers were experimenting with Wankel rotary engines, GM among them. In the tightly-diminished motors, Chevy engineers saw an opportunity for a better integrated mid-engine design. The XP-897 utilized a 266 CID, 180 hp Wankel rotary engine mounted transversely, driving the automatic transaxle being developed for the upcoming Chevy Citation. Designed by GM’s Experimental Studio (which was stuck designing the front of the car around the archaic headlight laws of the time) and built in 6 months on a modified Porsche 914 chassis by Pininfarina, the 2-Rotor made its debut at the 1973 Frankfurt show.
1972 XP-895
For the XP-895, a four-rotor engine was created out of a pair of the two rotor Wankels, creating a 420 hp engine . The XP-895 is actually based on the XP-882 chassis. Somewhere in 1971, Chevrolet Engineering completed a running XP-895 prototype, with primarily steel body panels.
On March of 1972 Reynolds Metals Company, under contract to Chevrolet, begins building a second body for an XP-895 Corvette prototype, duplicating the first steel body in aluminum. On June of that year, the aluminum car was completed and fitted with a 454 V8. Chevrolet unveiled the experimental mid-engine XP-895 Corvette at the New York Auto Show in 1973. The response was overwhelming positive, but it was too expensive to bring to production and the concept was dropped.
1973 Four Rotor XP-882 AeroVette
The same XP-882 that had been shown in New York in 1970 served as the basis for the XP-882 Wankel motor prototype. Built on the first XP-882 chassis it carried the same four-rotor engine as the XP-895. The very Corvette-like styling cues led many to believe they were looking at the next generation of Chevy’s sports car.
The design, which included radical bifold gullwing doors (like those on the Tesla Model X). The sterling silver paint, with silver leather interior and forged alloy turbine wheels gave the Corvette an appearance unmatched by any other advanced sports car. The interior was also more fully engineered than the show-car norm, which was taken as another indication this model was a serious production candidate.
The car was given a new lease on life by removing the discontinued Wankel program engine and installing a small-block Chevrolet V8, christening it the AeroVette. While it was promoted as the upcoming C4 Corvette for 1980, it never entered production.
1985 Corvette Indy
After the introduction of the C4 Corvette, there was a concept car introduced in 1985 to show a possible C5 Corvette. Called the Corvette Indy, the first example was a silver non-working mockup showing the mid-engine configuration preferred by Duntov. The silver car was followed by two functional examples.
The Chevrolet Corvette Indy Concept was constructed in 1985 and was powered by a mid-mounted twin-turbo intercooled 32 valve 2.6 liter V8 engine designed by Lotus Engineering(which was owned by GM at the time). The engine was named for the Chevy Indy V8 racing motor. Power is estimated at approximately 600 hp. Created to showcase Chevrolet’s advanced automotive technology, the Corvette Indy concept featured 4-wheel drive, 4-wheel steering, active suspension and a rear view camera with in-dash view screen. Indy incorporated many “advanced” technologies that are now standard on most cars, including ABS, electronic traction control and electronic throttle control.
Lets reminisce about the mid-engine Corvettes we almost saw.
For a period, GM seriously considered developing a mid-engine platform for the Corvette. Here are the cars with which they explored the mid-engine Corvette concept.
Of course, Ford and its overtures to bring the GT40 to the market as a street car must have had some impact on the boys at Chevrolet Engineering, as did the Lamborghini Muira. Despite numerous concept cars shown to the public over the year, with car magazines breathlessly announcing that the next Corvette will be mid-engine, it hasn’t happened. Until now.
1964 Corvette XP-819 Rear Engine
The XP-819 wasn’t really a mid-engine car, but rather had its engine XP-819 was the result of a clash between Zora Arkus-Duntov (The ‘father’ of the Corvette) and engineer Frank Winchell, who’d been involved with the Corvair project. Winchell contended that you could make a balanced, rear-engine, V-8 powered sports car with an aluminum engine and larger tires on the rear to compensate for the rear weight bias. Duntov adamantly disagreed. A GM marine engine powered the car so the two-speed transaxle from a Pontiac Tempest would operate properly. The entire chassis, suspension, and steering are custom made components unique to this car.
It turned out that Winchell’s theory about rear-engine, V-8 cars was incorrect. The car was demolished on the test track and quickly forgotten. However, stylist Larry Shinoda’s design was well received. Shinoda appears to have picked up styling cues from the Chaparral race cars. It even had Chaparral wheels.
While not a true mid-engine car, it was in reality a rear-engine car with its engine hanging out over the back, Porsche style. It’s important to our story as it drove development toward true mid-engine designs.
1968 Astro II XP-880 Mid Engine
Above all else, it was its success in racing that made the Corvette legend. Sports racing car development in the 1960s was dynamic, with the Ford GT40 and the Chevrolet-backed Chaparral both designed around a mid-engine layout. The XP-880 (Astro II) was the first of several experimental, mid-engine Corvettes that had enthusiasts convinced for more than a decade that the next Corvette would carry its Chevy V8 in the middle of the car.
The Astro II was designed to showcase its mid-engine powertrain application. Chevy R&D’s first mid-engine Corvette positioned a big-block V-8 backwards in the car so the starter and ring gear were behind the driver’s elbow. The torque converter from the Tempest transaxle bolted to what’s normally the nose of the crank. The finished car weighed 200 pounds less than a stock 427 Corvette, but the transaxle was designed for an intermediate sedan, not a 7 liter motor, and couldn’t handle the power.
With its 427 engine, the Astro II was more like a Can-Am racer than a street car. Even with production Camaro and Corvette suspension parts, and performance street tires, the Astro II generated 1.0 g of cornering grip, which at that time was a level only race cars could achieve. Astro II weighed in at 300 lbs less than a production Corvette, yet had almost the same external dimensions.
1969 Mid Engine XP-882
The experimental XP-882 looked production-ready, thus fueling rumors that the next Corvette would be a mid- engine design. GM built two XP-882 chassis for evaluation, but only one had the bodywork shown here. Zora Arkus-Duntov’s solution to the XP-880’s transaxle problem was to mate a 454 big block V8 to a FWD Toronado transmission, and then mount it all transversely to lower the mass. A bevel-gear driven shaft ran back to a Chevy differential, passing through a hole in the oil pan along the way. It could handle the power, but the powertrain weighed in at a heavyweight 950 pounds.
1972 Two Rotor XP-897 GT
In the early 1970s, a number of manufacturers were experimenting with Wankel rotary engines, GM among them. In the tightly-diminished motors, Chevy engineers saw an opportunity for a better integrated mid-engine design. The XP-897 utilized a 266 CID, 180 hp Wankel rotary engine mounted transversely, driving the automatic transaxle being developed for the upcoming Chevy Citation. Designed by GM’s Experimental Studio (which was stuck designing the front of the car around the archaic headlight laws of the time) and built in 6 months on a modified Porsche 914 chassis by Pininfarina, the 2-Rotor made its debut at the 1973 Frankfurt show.
1972 XP-895
For the XP-895, a four-rotor engine was created out of a pair of the two rotor Wankels, creating a 420 hp engine . The XP-895 is actually based on the XP-882 chassis. Somewhere in 1971, Chevrolet Engineering completed a running XP-895 prototype, with primarily steel body panels.
On March of 1972 Reynolds Metals Company, under contract to Chevrolet, begins building a second body for an XP-895 Corvette prototype, duplicating the first steel body in aluminum. On June of that year, the aluminum car was completed and fitted with a 454 V8. Chevrolet unveiled the experimental mid-engine XP-895 Corvette at the New York Auto Show in 1973. The response was overwhelming positive, but it was too expensive to bring to production and the concept was dropped.
1973 Four Rotor XP-882 AeroVette
The same XP-882 that had been shown in New York in 1970 served as the basis for the XP-882 Wankel motor prototype. Built on the first XP-882 chassis it carried the same four-rotor engine as the XP-895. The very Corvette-like styling cues led many to believe they were looking at the next generation of Chevy’s sports car.
The design, which included radical bifold gullwing doors (like those on the Tesla Model X). The sterling silver paint, with silver leather interior and forged alloy turbine wheels gave the Corvette an appearance unmatched by any other advanced sports car. The interior was also more fully engineered than the show-car norm, which was taken as another indication this model was a serious production candidate.
The car was given a new lease on life by removing the discontinued Wankel program engine and installing a small-block Chevrolet V8, christening it the AeroVette. While it was promoted as the upcoming C4 Corvette for 1980, it never entered production.
1985 Corvette Indy
After the introduction of the C4 Corvette, there was a concept car introduced in 1985 to show a possible C5 Corvette. Called the Corvette Indy, the first example was a silver non-working mockup showing the mid-engine configuration preferred by Duntov. The silver car was followed by two functional examples.
The Chevrolet Corvette Indy Concept was constructed in 1985 and was powered by a mid-mounted twin-turbo intercooled 32 valve 2.6 liter V8 engine designed by Lotus Engineering(which was owned by GM at the time). The engine was named for the Chevy Indy V8 racing motor. Power is estimated at approximately 600 hp. Created to showcase Chevrolet’s advanced automotive technology, the Corvette Indy concept featured 4-wheel drive, 4-wheel steering, active suspension and a rear view camera with in-dash view screen. Indy incorporated many “advanced” technologies that are now standard on most cars, including ABS, electronic traction control and electronic throttle control.
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John,
Lovely compilation. However, I noticed you didn't include an image of the rear engine Corvair. If for no other reason to show that GM was not completely blank on the platform.
Lovely compilation. However, I noticed you didn't include an image of the rear engine Corvair. If for no other reason to show that GM was not completely blank on the platform.
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The best of it! ;)
Not sure how the running was by then. The earlier ones were a POS! I'm thinking air cooled like the VW back then blowing oil out of every other seal and crack.
The Chevrolet Corvair is a compact car manufactured by Chevrolet for model years 1960–1969. It was the only American-designed, mass-produced passenger car to use a rear-mounted, air-cooled engine.
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Actually made a pretty decent mid engine sports car. A guy I worked with had one that he converted.
Last edited by JoesC5; 06-09-2018 at 11:43 PM.
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Cool! ;)
Popular mod in the late 60's was to put a 327 V8 right behind the driver(after the rear seat was removed), and the stock transaxle was spun around 180 degrees. Radiator placed up front.
Actually made a pretty decent mid engine sports car. A guy I worked with had one that he converted.
Actually made a pretty decent mid engine sports car. A guy I worked with had one that he converted.
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Enough with the Corvairs for goodness sake.
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The one thing we should keep in mind is that NONE of the 7 was anything but a show car. They certainly never got to the IVER stage or even close. The car magazines made a lot of noise and magazine sales with these cars... "The NEXT Corvette"... and sold lots of magazines, but, to my knowledge, none of these cars was ever "really" considered as a viable production option.
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Burning Brakes
The last one, The Corvette Indy is in the NCM is Bowling Green. For a 33-year old prototype, it sure looks pretty modern. It is a beautiful car. Worth the trip just to see it in person. Hopefully, the C8 will make the same impression on me that this car did.
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I would not be surprised if it “disappears” pretty soon from NCM, arriving sub-Rosa in the middle of the night somewhere, and then ______________________.
I know Binger that you are smart, and have already properly filled in the rest of that sentence.
I know Binger that you are smart, and have already properly filled in the rest of that sentence.
Last edited by elegant; 06-12-2018 at 01:00 AM.
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The one thing we should keep in mind is that NONE of the 7 was anything but a show car. They certainly never got to the IVER stage or even close. The car magazines made a lot of noise and magazine sales with these cars... "The NEXT Corvette"... and sold lots of magazines, but, to my knowledge, none of these cars was ever "really" considered as a viable production option.
I think the only "one off' Corvette show car that made it to production, 99% as it appeared at the New York auto show, was the 1953 Corvette.
Last edited by JoesC5; 06-12-2018 at 02:43 PM.
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Le Mans Master
You never know if Nadar didn't have such a ×××× on for the Corvair, GM might have built a mid engine car earlier. Ford's release of the Pantera stalled and killed AMC's mid engine AMX III. If the AMX was first followed by the Pantera, GM might have been more motovated to release a mid engine car.
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You never know if Nadar didn't have such a ×××× on for the Corvair, GM might have built a mid engine car earlier. Ford's release of the Pantera stalled and killed AMC's mid engine AMX III. If the AMX was first followed by the Pantera, GM might have been more motovated to release a mid engine car.
1960 was before Nader went after GM. Ralph Nadar had nothing to do with GM not making the 1963 Corvette a mid engine design. The C3(1968-1982) used the same chassis as the C2 and again it was too expensive to make the C3 Corvette a mid engine.
GM was selling the hell out of the C3's so why mess with a winner when they were considering what the C4 would be in the late 1970's.
Last edited by JoesC5; 06-12-2018 at 03:54 PM.
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Curios as to what failed with this design. It appears to be the most thought out and complete.
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A few more.