My E85 wish for the C8
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My E85 wish for the C8
I wish GM would embrace E85 on the C8 like it does in their trucks. This would allow for even greater power when running E85, in naturally aspirated and if turbo even more so. The only draw back is the decease (around 25%) in fuel consumption but that is offset by E85's lower cost which is about 0.80-0.90 a gallon cheaper around here.
It would just be nice to see this, they already do it in the trucks so it isn't like it is anything new. Plus I like the smell better.
It would just be nice to see this, they already do it in the trucks so it isn't like it is anything new. Plus I like the smell better.
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ArmchairArchitect (06-18-2018)
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for sure forced induction and e85 are a marriage made in heaven and the poor man's race gas would for sure allow a nice bump.
problem is the capacity of the direct injectors. Now that GM has finally embraced DI + PI the flood gates are open. You could even just put the e85 on the port injectors and have some fun.
it would indeed be cool and it makes sense!
problem is the capacity of the direct injectors. Now that GM has finally embraced DI + PI the flood gates are open. You could even just put the e85 on the port injectors and have some fun.
it would indeed be cool and it makes sense!
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Saab is the only manufacturer that I can ever remember to do it on a turbo application and I think with on E85 they made 15-20% more since they upped the boost when running the higher octane.
I just hope GM does, this really isn't a big deal to do when starting from scratch.
I just hope GM does, this really isn't a big deal to do when starting from scratch.
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ArmchairArchitect (06-18-2018)
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GM did turbo flex fuel on some of the 2.0 4 cyl turbo, I think the engine was the LHU.
Unfortunately the regulations incentives for an OEM have kind of disappeared so it no longer makes any sense for an OEM to put in the extra effort. So I find it very unlikely that you will see many flex fuel vehicles in the near future.
If the incentives ever ever come back , then OEMs will start making them again.
Unfortunately the regulations incentives for an OEM have kind of disappeared so it no longer makes any sense for an OEM to put in the extra effort. So I find it very unlikely that you will see many flex fuel vehicles in the near future.
If the incentives ever ever come back , then OEMs will start making them again.
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its give and take, the e85 has less energy than gas. It will allow some interesting amounts of boost though.
I hope they don't.
If you want to e85 your car after you buy it, go for it. If you gonna push that much boost your gonna need the tune anyway, the extra cost for injectors and sensor wont be that bad. (maybe pump too)
I hope they don't.
If you want to e85 your car after you buy it, go for it. If you gonna push that much boost your gonna need the tune anyway, the extra cost for injectors and sensor wont be that bad. (maybe pump too)
#9
Le Mans Master
It really makes sense in a performance application to have this as a factory feature. The cost to it is hardly anything.
My C6 is set up flex fuel and the car runs so hard and crisp on the corn fuel.
My C6 is set up flex fuel and the car runs so hard and crisp on the corn fuel.
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Last edited by Shaka; 06-15-2018 at 03:43 PM.
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its give and take, the e85 has less energy than gas. It will allow some interesting amounts of boost though.
I hope they don't.
If you want to e85 your car after you buy it, go for it. If you gonna push that much boost your gonna need the tune anyway, the extra cost for injectors and sensor wont be that bad. (maybe pump too)
I hope they don't.
If you want to e85 your car after you buy it, go for it. If you gonna push that much boost your gonna need the tune anyway, the extra cost for injectors and sensor wont be that bad. (maybe pump too)
It would be so much better if designer for it from factory so much more options.
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i have a wrx 2.0l tuned to run on e85 or 93 octane. modified the car myself and tuned it myself. slightly bigger turbo, bigger injectors, bigger topmount, bigger cobb exhaust, added wideband and used cobbs software to tune the car. car supposedly had 220 at the crank new, tuned it dynoed at 300 at the wheels. and that particular fact is why i dont see any manufacturer producing a forced induction high performance flexfuel car. the large disparity between what an e85 forced induction motor produces as opposed to what the same car safely produces on high test. so they sell a car that gets 150hp (or more) when on e85 but less on 92 or 91 octane gas. for the folks that cant get e85 its almost a screw you, too bad you live in area where you cant get e85, you car has significantly less horsepower compared to those who can get it.
and then you have the large disparity in performance even for those who can get e85 and the manufacturer has to engineer the car to deal with this disparity. a twin turbo v8 of the approximately the same size as todays corvette motor could approach 1000hp fairly easily.
i think its a great fuel, but the performance increase you get from running it most likely should be part of a plan for someone to modify their car knowing the costs, risks and the potential to break stock parts.
personally i think a true forced induction flexfuel corvette would be cool, i just dont see it happening due to all the complications.
and then you have the large disparity in performance even for those who can get e85 and the manufacturer has to engineer the car to deal with this disparity. a twin turbo v8 of the approximately the same size as todays corvette motor could approach 1000hp fairly easily.
i think its a great fuel, but the performance increase you get from running it most likely should be part of a plan for someone to modify their car knowing the costs, risks and the potential to break stock parts.
personally i think a true forced induction flexfuel corvette would be cool, i just dont see it happening due to all the complications.
Last edited by tolnep; 06-26-2018 at 06:58 PM.
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The problem with it on say my Tahoe is it is not economical to run E85, I run it to clean the engine out, vs 87 octane you just don't get as many miles per $$ with E85 in that application. However with a Vette that needs 93 octane it would be economical to run E85, even non-boosted.
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I wish GM would embrace E85 on the C8 like it does in their trucks. This would allow for even greater power when running E85, in naturally aspirated and if turbo even more so. The only draw back is the decease (around 25%) in fuel consumption but that is offset by E85's lower cost which is about 0.80-0.90 a gallon cheaper around here.
It would just be nice to see this, they already do it in the trucks so it isn't like it is anything new. Plus I like the smell better.
It would just be nice to see this, they already do it in the trucks so it isn't like it is anything new. Plus I like the smell better.