C8 price will be around $100,000
06-17-2018, 09:31 PM
#41
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by skank
Do you not realize we already have 150K ZR1's with a waiting list right now?
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06-17-2018, 09:32 PM
#42
Pro
$120, I’m in. $150k, I’m probably not, unless it’s just that good. Even though the C7 interior rivals every other generations, it’s still not a $150k plus interior. For low $100-$115, you can get an E63S AMG. Which will mop the C7s a$$
06-17-2018, 09:40 PM
#43
OP hasn't been back since dropping the troll bomb. Everyone here is so wound up about this car that this becomes a 42 post discussion that's really just a rehash of a multitude of other threads/discussions on a topic beaten to death.
Clearly he is stirring the pot... no facts, no evidence, antagonistic style... yet we boil over. We are becoming easy targets people.
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06-17-2018, 10:10 PM
#47
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by skank
And what percentage of the C8 Me to the C8 FE do you think there will be. Minimal is the logical correct answer.
Nope, zero nada. GM just has never been that good concealing new models.
And if they are this time around, I will not use my money to buy a 2nd best GM product.
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06-17-2018, 10:26 PM
#48
Racer
I agree with the OP. If Ford can charge $400,000 for its mid-engine supercar, why can’t GM make a very exclusive quality mid-engine high-priced supercar? Of course, I personally believe it will be sold as a separate model, and the front-engine Corvette will continue on.
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06-17-2018, 10:33 PM
#49
Burning Brakes
Quinten33, I agree with 90+% of your post, well all but the above one part of it I re-posted.
Capacity with max overtime at the time of initial C7 production = 40,500 units per year.
Capacity as a result of last fall’s 13 week Plant gut and re-build was reduced to 33,000 units per year. Source = Kai Spande, and he noted that 33K was the absolute max at “firewall overtime” due to the paint shop capacity even at two, ten hour shifts per day. Another way of looking at this, is that when C7 production started (and through August of last year) production was 17.2 Corvettes/hour, but starting last November, it became 11.6 units per hour.
I know that many still believe that some of 455,000 square feet of space was added to BGA as a result of the paint shop massive addition, will be being used for a second assembly line, but 100% of that space is being used for nothing more than painting Corvettes (exception the below ground floor is being used for storage of spare parts and equipment). I know several individuals (additionally the entire NCM Board) who have had a complete tour of the Paint shop and they have verified that there is no left over capacity within the large paint shop addition for anything other than painting cars.
The Powertrain Build Center, which we know was/is located in the “old part” of the plant next to the assembly line is greatly being expanded.
As much as many wish to present the new paint shop building as expanding production capacity, that has not happened, nor will it happen. If fact even with the new paint shop addition, as a result of last fall’s complete gut and re-build, plant annual capacity has been reduced. Bottom line is that there is only one assembly line within the expanded plant (all parts of the expanded building), one production line which will be used to make during the 2020 MY to build a total of 33,000 Corvettes — both C7’s and ME’s., e.g., a 19% annual capacity reduction from the pre-2019 level.
Capacity with max overtime at the time of initial C7 production = 40,500 units per year.
Capacity as a result of last fall’s 13 week Plant gut and re-build was reduced to 33,000 units per year. Source = Kai Spande, and he noted that 33K was the absolute max at “firewall overtime” due to the paint shop capacity even at two, ten hour shifts per day. Another way of looking at this, is that when C7 production started (and through August of last year) production was 17.2 Corvettes/hour, but starting last November, it became 11.6 units per hour.
I know that many still believe that some of 455,000 square feet of space was added to BGA as a result of the paint shop massive addition, will be being used for a second assembly line, but 100% of that space is being used for nothing more than painting Corvettes (exception the below ground floor is being used for storage of spare parts and equipment). I know several individuals (additionally the entire NCM Board) who have had a complete tour of the Paint shop and they have verified that there is no left over capacity within the large paint shop addition for anything other than painting cars.
The Powertrain Build Center, which we know was/is located in the “old part” of the plant next to the assembly line is greatly being expanded.
As much as many wish to present the new paint shop building as expanding production capacity, that has not happened, nor will it happen. If fact even with the new paint shop addition, as a result of last fall’s complete gut and re-build, plant annual capacity has been reduced. Bottom line is that there is only one assembly line within the expanded plant (all parts of the expanded building), one production line which will be used to make during the 2020 MY to build a total of 33,000 Corvettes — both C7’s and ME’s., e.g., a 19% annual capacity reduction from the pre-2019 level.
06-17-2018, 10:45 PM
#50
Pro
I agree to a certain extent, however, retail value wise, its still a GM. Lamborghini, and Ferrari, etc, dont sell rental cars to fleet. The 2009 ZR1 can be had, now, for sub $60K. The 2004 Gallardos, are still over $70K. Porsche is seeing a huge uptick in value, in their cars. If I have a chance to get something that may go up in value, Ill be giving that an equal eye.
06-17-2018, 10:48 PM
#51
Pro
06-17-2018, 10:53 PM
#52
Race Director
Can a well optioned c8 reach 100 grand? Of course
Will it start there? Absolutely not.
Will it start there? Absolutely not.
06-17-2018, 10:53 PM
#53
Pro
I own a Mercedes!!! I'm here to tell you a E63S AMG will not mop the *** of a late model ZO6 or a ZR1!! As for the interior I agree with you on this. There have been posts in the Ask Tadge about interior expenditures. I agree that they could elevate this aspect of the auto.
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06-17-2018, 11:09 PM
#54
Melting Slicks
Your whole rational is predicated on the concept of only a mid engined configuration. Common sense will prevail that in 2021 or 2022 there will be a C8 front engined Corvette that is a heavily revised FE C7. That is pure logic.
06-17-2018, 11:15 PM
#55
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by skank
Your whole rational is predicated on the concept of only a mid engined configuration. Common sense will prevail that in 2021 or 2022 there will be a C8 front engined Corvette that is a heavily revised FE C7. That is pure logic.
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06-17-2018, 11:22 PM
#56
Pro
06-17-2018, 11:23 PM
#57
Melting Slicks
Not only is it plausible but most likely that they will build the new C8 front engine car on the same exact chassis as the C7 only enhanced, lightened, and strengthened. They would most likely even use the same mounting points on all the body panels and fascia's. For that matter they could be testing the new FE with the C7 body panels and we wouldn't notice a thing.
Last edited by skank; 06-17-2018 at 11:27 PM.
06-17-2018, 11:35 PM
#58
been waiting and will keep waiting to see...if its a flat plane crank, twin turbo....and looks like that white rendition;;; that a member here did... I'm in up to 120....if its 150...will do a new 911 turbo... as a hot rodder by nature... I can imagine say a 100-120k car, if twin turbo and forged bottom end... etc.. just swapping in new turbos, headers to the turbos, intake, tune... and you've got a screaming car.. that would excite me..even up to 120 (if handling, brakes, etc are up to 911 turbo type specs)... in any case..this is exciting..
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06-17-2018, 11:46 PM
#59
Pro
been waiting and will keep waiting to see...if its a flat plane crank, twin turbo....and looks like that white rendition;;; that a member here did... I'm in up to 120....if its 150...will do a new 911 turbo... as a hot rodder by nature... I can imagine say a 100-120k car, if twin turbo and forged bottom end... etc.. just swapping in new turbos, headers to the turbos, intake, tune... and you've got a screaming car.. that would excite me..even up to 120 (if handling, brakes, etc are up to 911 turbo type specs)... in any case..this is exciting..
06-17-2018, 11:48 PM
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The most accurate post on this thread.
The FACT is, we are facing a complete paradigm shift of the Corvette world. If elegant's post about plant capacity is on target (and most of his posts are) then it stands to reason that Corvette prices will increase substantially to make up for lost production volume and to pay for that new paint shop. While personally I don't agree with the OPs position of $100K for a new ME Corvette, the fact is, I don't know what the new pricing plan is for Corvette, and no one else here does.
