Porsche 718 GTS vs Corvette C8 Z51
07-04-2018, 11:12 AM
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But masculine or feminine traits have never come to my mind when considering what car to buy.
07-04-2018, 11:21 AM
#62
Race Director
I’m sorry but the little Porsche is barely a competitor to the c7 grand sport much less a much improved standard c8...
traditionally the next generation standard corvettes best the performance of the previous generation grand sport.
unless you want the snob appeal of owning a German vehicle I see no reason to compare any Porsche to the c8.
the introduction of the rear mid engine corvette will wreck havoc on imported brands some may consider rivals to the corvette.
btw sales of the 718are dismal for many reasons.
ill leave that for you to consider on your own.
nice car but way out of its league even compared to the c7 grand sport...unless you like owning a German badged vehicle.
then make your purchase decision based on that fact alone.
jmo
traditionally the next generation standard corvettes best the performance of the previous generation grand sport.
unless you want the snob appeal of owning a German vehicle I see no reason to compare any Porsche to the c8.
the introduction of the rear mid engine corvette will wreck havoc on imported brands some may consider rivals to the corvette.
btw sales of the 718are dismal for many reasons.
ill leave that for you to consider on your own.
nice car but way out of its league even compared to the c7 grand sport...unless you like owning a German badged vehicle.
then make your purchase decision based on that fact alone.
jmo
Last edited by JerriVette; 07-04-2018 at 11:27 AM.
07-04-2018, 05:01 PM
#63
I'm gonna have to agree with you, Jerri.
In just about any criteria you care to name, the Corvette is a superior Sportscar.
In just about any criteria you care to name, the Corvette is a superior Sportscar.
07-04-2018, 05:48 PM
#64
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Absolutely!? ;)
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1/4 Mile
12.0
Braking
99ft from 60mph
Top Speed
180 MPH
7,300rpm max
3,190 lb Curb Weight
Iron Brakes
Mechanical Locking Differential with Stability Braking, and independent Suspension Damping, for Chassis control
Automatic
About $95K
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07-04-2018, 06:39 PM
#65
Race Director
Nice little car the Porsche with a trick launch control off the line with the dct. The Porsche manual transmission is in the fours to sixty.
im sorry if this insults any Porsche enthusiasts...as that wasn’t my intent...
this is the corvette forum. I’m not over to rennlist and spouting off because that would inappropriate.
the Porsche has wonderful appearance of build quality although from a durability standpoint I personally prefer corvette and GM s 300k mile validation process.
i believe that GM s validation and testing process for durability to be the best in the world.
im sure we can all marvel at the upcoming Car and driver lightning lap times of both cars should you care to.
somehow I believe with regards to the title of this thread the c8 standard model will compete with Ferrari’s, Lamborghinis, mclaren s and possibly the 911 Times and not so much the 718 GTS.
as it stands now..the c7 grand sport equals the mclaren 570 so I’m expecting the standard first year release of the c8 to equal or surpass that performance level.
is anyone suggesting the 718 GTS to equal or surpass the performance or track times of the mclaren 570?
if so call me impressed.
i hope it does. Porsche is an iconic nameplate with a fabulous history
a fantastic time to be an automotive enthusiast of every brand.
im sorry if this insults any Porsche enthusiasts...as that wasn’t my intent...
this is the corvette forum. I’m not over to rennlist and spouting off because that would inappropriate.
the Porsche has wonderful appearance of build quality although from a durability standpoint I personally prefer corvette and GM s 300k mile validation process.
i believe that GM s validation and testing process for durability to be the best in the world.
im sure we can all marvel at the upcoming Car and driver lightning lap times of both cars should you care to.
somehow I believe with regards to the title of this thread the c8 standard model will compete with Ferrari’s, Lamborghinis, mclaren s and possibly the 911 Times and not so much the 718 GTS.
as it stands now..the c7 grand sport equals the mclaren 570 so I’m expecting the standard first year release of the c8 to equal or surpass that performance level.
is anyone suggesting the 718 GTS to equal or surpass the performance or track times of the mclaren 570?
if so call me impressed.
i hope it does. Porsche is an iconic nameplate with a fabulous history
a fantastic time to be an automotive enthusiast of every brand.
07-04-2018, 10:58 PM
#66
Nice little car the Porsche with a trick launch control off the line with the dct. The Porsche manual transmission is in the fours to sixty.
im sorry if this insults any Porsche enthusiasts...as that wasn’t my intent...
this is the corvette forum. I’m not over to rennlist and spouting off because that would inappropriate.
the Porsche has wonderful appearance of build quality although from a durability standpoint I personally prefer corvette and GM s 300k mile validation process.
i believe that GM s validation and testing process for durability to be the best in the world.
im sure we can all marvel at the upcoming Car and driver lightning lap times of both cars should you care to.
somehow I believe with regards to the title of this thread the c8 standard model will compete with Ferrari’s, Lamborghinis, mclaren s and possibly the 911 Times and not so much the 718 GTS.
as it stands now..the c7 grand sport equals the mclaren 570 so I’m expecting the standard first year release of the c8 to equal or surpass that performance level.
is anyone suggesting the 718 GTS to equal or surpass the performance or track times of the mclaren 570?
if so call me impressed.
i hope it does. Porsche is an iconic nameplate with a fabulous history
a fantastic time to be an automotive enthusiast of every brand.
im sorry if this insults any Porsche enthusiasts...as that wasn’t my intent...
this is the corvette forum. I’m not over to rennlist and spouting off because that would inappropriate.
the Porsche has wonderful appearance of build quality although from a durability standpoint I personally prefer corvette and GM s 300k mile validation process.
i believe that GM s validation and testing process for durability to be the best in the world.
im sure we can all marvel at the upcoming Car and driver lightning lap times of both cars should you care to.
somehow I believe with regards to the title of this thread the c8 standard model will compete with Ferrari’s, Lamborghinis, mclaren s and possibly the 911 Times and not so much the 718 GTS.
as it stands now..the c7 grand sport equals the mclaren 570 so I’m expecting the standard first year release of the c8 to equal or surpass that performance level.
is anyone suggesting the 718 GTS to equal or surpass the performance or track times of the mclaren 570?
if so call me impressed.
i hope it does. Porsche is an iconic nameplate with a fabulous history
a fantastic time to be an automotive enthusiast of every brand.
07-04-2018, 11:10 PM
#67
Le Mans Master
I;'ve seen the C8 videos, and I can't say I am blown away by a masculine V8 sound. I've heard better.
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07-04-2018, 11:39 PM
#68
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while at heart I am a Chevy fanboy and all my toys - two camaros, two trucks and a 2019 z06 being built next week I have my doubts as to this validation process. I've had more issues with the 2014 camaro and 2013 2500hd both which have less than 14000 miles than my 2009 Toyota Camry with close to 300,000 miles and has never had an issue and only work has been oil brakes and tires and still drives likes new. The previous Toyota was a 2004 corolla which I sold at 400000 miles and also had no issues and drove fine upon sale. It is also soul crushing driving that appliance but for the daily grind I don't think that GM comes close to long term reliability of Toyota. I hope these new GM products are better long term than the 2009-2014 Chevy products I have.
all brands have their issues. Go compare GMs corvette ownership costs of maintaince and repair to Porsche and get back to me...
german brands are brutal out of warranty....of course they have a reputation of great perceived build quality...
too bad their costs to repair out of warranty can be life threatening.(Kidding but you get my point)
07-05-2018, 09:40 AM
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Chevy's Validation process?
2005 C6, wobbling crank pulley, electrics so bad the OEM battery died after 6 months, a GPS unit that was so bad a poster had a multi page pdf made up to try and get folks to understand how to operate it, a transparent top that cooked you on sunny days, a BCM that died and left me stranded, trunk release that worked 50% of the time, door release buttons that sometimes didn't work. Gas door that wouldn't open.
2008 Z06 Bad valve guides that GM refused, initially, to even acknowledge and even then failures were documented outside of the "problem time period", trunk release that only worked 50% of the time, a poor clutch system that needed constant flushing to hope it would have a 50/50 chance of working under hard acceleration. Battery draining still a problem but not as severe as the 2005.
And on both cars, the absolute worst Goodyear tire they could find.
Yes, I suffered every one of the mentioned "validated" system failures or concerns.
No other car I have owned, US made or import, had as many problems as those two C6's. Ever.
Sorry, not all that impressed with Chevy's "validation process".
2005 C6, wobbling crank pulley, electrics so bad the OEM battery died after 6 months, a GPS unit that was so bad a poster had a multi page pdf made up to try and get folks to understand how to operate it, a transparent top that cooked you on sunny days, a BCM that died and left me stranded, trunk release that worked 50% of the time, door release buttons that sometimes didn't work. Gas door that wouldn't open.
2008 Z06 Bad valve guides that GM refused, initially, to even acknowledge and even then failures were documented outside of the "problem time period", trunk release that only worked 50% of the time, a poor clutch system that needed constant flushing to hope it would have a 50/50 chance of working under hard acceleration. Battery draining still a problem but not as severe as the 2005.
And on both cars, the absolute worst Goodyear tire they could find.
Yes, I suffered every one of the mentioned "validated" system failures or concerns.
No other car I have owned, US made or import, had as many problems as those two C6's. Ever.
Sorry, not all that impressed with Chevy's "validation process".
Last edited by ByByBMW; 07-05-2018 at 09:52 AM.
07-05-2018, 09:58 AM
#70
Team Owner
US sales of the C7 in the first six months of 2018 was 10,242 compared to 13,770 for the first six months of 2017. That's a 25.3% drop in sales.
US sales of the 718 in the first six months of 2018 was 3052, compared to 2474 for the first six months of 2017. That's a 23.3% rise in sales.
While the C7 is outselling the 718 in the US, the sales trend does favor the 718 over the C7.
Even the US sales of 911's increased by 12.5% during the same period over 2017 sales for the first six months.
Total US light vehicle(cars, SUVs, pickups) sales increased 2% for the first six months of 2018 compared to the first six months of 2017.
Cliff notes; Porsche sports cars sales going up and Corvette sales going down in the USA.
US sales of the 718 in the first six months of 2018 was 3052, compared to 2474 for the first six months of 2017. That's a 23.3% rise in sales.
While the C7 is outselling the 718 in the US, the sales trend does favor the 718 over the C7.
Even the US sales of 911's increased by 12.5% during the same period over 2017 sales for the first six months.
Total US light vehicle(cars, SUVs, pickups) sales increased 2% for the first six months of 2018 compared to the first six months of 2017.
Cliff notes; Porsche sports cars sales going up and Corvette sales going down in the USA.
Last edited by JoesC5; 07-05-2018 at 10:45 AM.
07-05-2018, 10:10 AM
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Team Owner
of course there are always exceptions...my neighbors Lexus spends more time on a flatbed than any GM vehicle I’ve ever owned.
all brands have their issues. Go compare GMs corvette ownership costs of maintaince and repair to Porsche and get back to me...
german brands are brutal out of warranty....of course they have a reputation of great perceived build quality...
too bad their costs to repair out of warranty can be life threatening.(Kidding but you get my point)
My 19 year old Mercedes has had one battery replaced under warranty by Mercedes, and two since then(~$330 total for the two). Three years ago I replaced the MAF sensor($145 OE Bosch from Amazon) and 20 minutes spent in the driveway to replace. One year ago, my express up/down on my windows quit working after installation of the new battery. They self cleared and are now working 100%(ie: no money spent for the repair).
Damn man, my OE Mercedes FOB's still have their original batteries that are 19 years old. They still work perfectly.
Now ask me about my C5 that was in the shop 14 times for warranty repairs in the first 14,000 miles. My C6 Z06 has been worlds better than the C5 as it has only had one warranty repair(loose axle nut replaced under warranty at 380 miles). But, thanks to GM's extremely good(LOL) quality control, I was proactive and replaced my heads two days after my GM warranty expired, before I might have dropped an exhaust valve. I was afraid to go with GM heads so I went with aftermarket PRC heads and picked up some horsepower as they flow better than the GM LS7 heads and everything was new, non GM parts, including the castings..
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07-05-2018, 11:31 AM
#72
Le Mans Master
My personal experience has been that GMs often have a rattle or something stupid right off the bat, but over 300K miles they just build a superior vehicle. It's not just the reliability and ease of general maintenance, but they also seem to exceed EPA mpg estimates where-as Fords, Toyotas, Nissans, Rams, Hondas and so on usually struggle to even come close.
I've bought a lot of vehicles in my lifetime and at this point, I'm pretty stufckon GM products.
The one that offers the most value (nice driving, nice components, great price) is Fiat/ Jeep/ Ram products. But in reality they are really built pretty poorly and have a lot of faults, not the least of which is limited parts availability. I recently waited 2 months for a belt pulley on a 2014 Jeep for instance, and it's not the first time this vehicle has been in the shop for an extended period of time for something small.
I've bought a lot of vehicles in my lifetime and at this point, I'm pretty stufckon GM products.
The one that offers the most value (nice driving, nice components, great price) is Fiat/ Jeep/ Ram products. But in reality they are really built pretty poorly and have a lot of faults, not the least of which is limited parts availability. I recently waited 2 months for a belt pulley on a 2014 Jeep for instance, and it's not the first time this vehicle has been in the shop for an extended period of time for something small.
07-05-2018, 11:28 PM
#73
Melting Slicks
US sales of the C7 in the first six months of 2018 was 10,242 compared to 13,770 for the first six months of 2017. That's a 25.3% drop in sales.
US sales of the 718 in the first six months of 2018 was 3052, compared to 2474 for the first six months of 2017. That's a 23.3% rise in sales.
While the C7 is outselling the 718 in the US, the sales trend does favor the 718 over the C7.
Even the US sales of 911's increased by 12.5% during the same period over 2017 sales for the first six months.
Total US light vehicle(cars, SUVs, pickups) sales increased 2% for the first six months of 2018 compared to the first six months of 2017.
Cliff notes; Porsche sports cars sales going up and Corvette sales going down in the USA.
US sales of the 718 in the first six months of 2018 was 3052, compared to 2474 for the first six months of 2017. That's a 23.3% rise in sales.
While the C7 is outselling the 718 in the US, the sales trend does favor the 718 over the C7.
Even the US sales of 911's increased by 12.5% during the same period over 2017 sales for the first six months.
Total US light vehicle(cars, SUVs, pickups) sales increased 2% for the first six months of 2018 compared to the first six months of 2017.
Cliff notes; Porsche sports cars sales going up and Corvette sales going down in the USA.
07-05-2018, 11:57 PM
#74
Please post those videos. I have yet to hear any video of the c8 Corvette with any type of sound quality so that one could make a decision if they like or dislike the exhaust note of the C8.
07-06-2018, 01:02 AM
#75
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
We made it folks! ;)
Joe
Try purchasing a MB that is not just a basic cheap transportation like a C class . Then come back when all the latest greatest tech in the real MB like E and S class starts to fail.
I have no doubt the your C class has not had many issue as its basic transportation that only folka who are too cheap to pony up for a real MB purchase.
I have purchased an E class and thought maybe it's a one off that it has so many issues?
I then purchased an S class and found it worse than the E class for issues.
MB lives off a reputation earned decades ago. Look at JD Power initial and 3 year ownership experience and MB are on the wrong side of avg in term of reliability and owner complaint per 100 cars.
And as far as the C Clas it's basic transportation so compared to say a Toyota Camry it just an avg car at best.
Try purchasing a MB that is not just a basic cheap transportation like a C class . Then come back when all the latest greatest tech in the real MB like E and S class starts to fail.
I have no doubt the your C class has not had many issue as its basic transportation that only folka who are too cheap to pony up for a real MB purchase.
I have purchased an E class and thought maybe it's a one off that it has so many issues?
I then purchased an S class and found it worse than the E class for issues.
MB lives off a reputation earned decades ago. Look at JD Power initial and 3 year ownership experience and MB are on the wrong side of avg in term of reliability and owner complaint per 100 cars.
And as far as the C Clas it's basic transportation so compared to say a Toyota Camry it just an avg car at best.
'Truth that the old MB were tanks that could go 300K on a drivetrain.
Quite rude!
Of course Joe's other cars are world renowned from way back here!
Still are - keep it up!
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07-06-2018, 01:36 AM
#76
Burning Brakes
Corvette still holds over a 50% market share in the US, but the C7 is late in the cycle. GM needs a new car to get sales back up to the MY2014 / 2015 sales totals, and it can't cost a whole lot more than the C7 for them to succeed.
07-06-2018, 01:36 AM
#77
07-06-2018, 10:42 AM
#78
Team Owner
I still have my shitty C Class Mercedes but I traded off my Shitty C5 Corvette. One was worth keeping and the other was not.
I'm still driving my cheap basic C Class as it has been a proven winner. I don't trade off a winner until it costs me more to feed, than what it wins.
I could write a check in full for a new E Class or S Class, but neither would give me anything I don't already have in my cheap basic C Class. I get 21 in town and 30 on the highway and every damn thing on the car works just at they did in November 1998, when I drove the car off the lot with 4 miles on it. Car looks absolutely new as it spends every night in my garage, and since I'm retired, it doesn't sit out in the weather all day, as it's in my garage.
But let us compare more recent JD Power results for 3 year old dependability.
2014 for 2011 models.
Lexus(68)
M-B(104)
Chevrolet(132)
Industry average is 133.
2017 for 2014models
Lexus(110)
M-B(131)
Chevrolet(142)
Industry average is 156.
If all those shitty Mercedes's are so bad, then why is Mercedes rated near the top in 3 year old dependability by J D Powers? Mercedes is not on the "wrong" side of the 3 year old dependability as vetteman41960 erroneously posted.
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07-07-2018, 01:32 AM
#79
Race Director
Yep, My other cars(3 Corvettes) are also just cheap basic transportation(LOL). I paid $40,000 for my cheap basic C class 19 years ago, That is twice as much as what a cheap basic Camry cost in 1998. My new 1998 Corvette was also $40,000.
I still have my shitty C Class Mercedes but I traded off my Shitty C5 Corvette. One was worth keeping and the other was not.
I'm still driving my cheap basic C Class as it has been a proven winner. I don't trade off a winner until it costs me more to feed, than what it wins.
I could write a check in full for a new E Class or S Class, but neither would give me anything I don't already have in my cheap basic C Class. I get 21 in town and 30 on the highway and every damn thing on the car works just at they did in November 1998, when I drove the car off the lot with 4 miles on it. Car looks absolutely new as it spends every night in my garage, and since I'm retired, it doesn't sit out in the weather all day, as it's in my garage.
But let us compare more recent JD Power results for 3 year old dependability.
2014 for 2011 models.
Lexus(68)
M-B(104)
Chevrolet(132)
Industry average is 133.
2017 for 2014models
Lexus(110)
M-B(131)
Chevrolet(142)
Industry average is 156.
If all those shitty Mercedes's are so bad, then why is Mercedes rated near the top in 3 year old dependability by J D Powers? Mercedes is not on the "wrong" side of the 3 year old dependability as vetteman41960 erroneously posted.
I still have my shitty C Class Mercedes but I traded off my Shitty C5 Corvette. One was worth keeping and the other was not.
I'm still driving my cheap basic C Class as it has been a proven winner. I don't trade off a winner until it costs me more to feed, than what it wins.
I could write a check in full for a new E Class or S Class, but neither would give me anything I don't already have in my cheap basic C Class. I get 21 in town and 30 on the highway and every damn thing on the car works just at they did in November 1998, when I drove the car off the lot with 4 miles on it. Car looks absolutely new as it spends every night in my garage, and since I'm retired, it doesn't sit out in the weather all day, as it's in my garage.
But let us compare more recent JD Power results for 3 year old dependability.
2014 for 2011 models.
Lexus(68)
M-B(104)
Chevrolet(132)
Industry average is 133.
2017 for 2014models
Lexus(110)
M-B(131)
Chevrolet(142)
Industry average is 156.
If all those shitty Mercedes's are so bad, then why is Mercedes rated near the top in 3 year old dependability by J D Powers? Mercedes is not on the "wrong" side of the 3 year old dependability as vetteman41960 erroneously posted.
mercedes s class got its @$$kicked by tesla model s in US sales last year..
JD Powers is a bought and paid for study that is based on nothing substantial.
stop raving about your old cars at every turn..
every old car you have can not be the best...
we can accept you think the c6 z06 is the best corvette over the c7 z06 and even the upcoming c8 that we literally know nothing about...(all except you Joe)
but come on now even your 19 or 20 year old c class is superior..? Wtf? Joe are you an old car savant?
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Last edited by JerriVette; 07-07-2018 at 02:04 AM.
07-07-2018, 03:03 AM
#80
The C7 still seems new, but the auto business is moving much faster than what it once did.
we can accept you think the c6 z06 is the best corvette over the c7 z06 and even the upcoming c8 that we literally know nothing about...(all except you Joe)
but come on now even your 19 or 20 year old c class is superior..? Wtf? Joe are you an old car savant?
but come on now even your 19 or 20 year old c class is superior..? Wtf? Joe are you an old car savant?
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