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Old 07-18-2018, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ByByBMW View Post
And the Cayman S has 350 HP. So three models instead of 2 to choose from.
Soon to be 4, as the 718 GT4 is being produced as well. They'll most likely go back to a flat 6 for that one though.

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It will change. It will take you much longer to find a person who is into cars. Tuning is a big market now, if it dwindles down to 1% of what it is I call that as good as gone. I had to sign petitions to help prevent governing bodies from outlawing aftermarket parts. It matters how many sigs you get.
Thankfully, the other 49 states aren't as bad as Californistan and don't have extortionists like CARB . . . yet.

It may lessen, but it will never die. Legal or not.
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While the Cayman base has a 300 HP turbo 4 banger, the Cayman GTS has a 365 HP turbo 4 banger, but only weighs 3032 pounds with the manual transmission, and 3098 pounds with the PDK transmission(DCT).
Not being argumentative, but do you feel that is the reason Boxster and Cayman are looked to, or at as competition to the Stingray in the eyes of potential buyers?
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Not being argumentative, but do you feel that is the reason Boxster and Cayman are looked to, or at as competition to the Stingray in the eyes of potential buyers?
Bill,

I was only pointing out that the Boxster/Cayman could be had with more than just 300 HP. There are many reasons people buy a Porsche instead of a Corvette besides horsepower. Porsche does seem to be able to achieve some amazing performance while having less horsepower than a Corvette.
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Bill,

Porsche does seem to be able to achieve some amazing performance while having less horsepower than a Corvette.
For sure. Their performance is amazing for those little engines
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Soon to be 4, as the 718 GT4 is being produced as well. They'll most likely go back to a flat 6 for that one though.
If they would put decent gears in that thing and sell it at a price that was reasonable, that would be my next car. Oh well.
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Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
If they would put decent gears in that thing and sell it at a price that was reasonable, that would be my next car. Oh well.
Yeah, I can't see giving 911 money for a Cayman either.
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Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
If they would put decent gears in that thing and sell it at a price that was reasonable, that would be my next car. Oh well.
But that would cut into 911 sales, which is their bread and butter.
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At one point does something become so minuscule, it almost ceases to exist?

For 2018, only 2% of the vehicles sold in the U.S., came with a manual transmission. (This is down from 47% in 2006.)

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Yeah, I can't see giving 911 money for a Cayman either.
I guess I don't understand the reference. Caymans start at $57K, 911's start at $91K.
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Originally Posted by JoesC5 View Post
Bill,

I was only pointing out that the Boxster/Cayman could be had with more than just 300 HP. There are many reasons people buy a Porsche instead of a Corvette besides horsepower. Porsche does seem to be able to achieve some amazing performance while having less horsepower than a Corvette.
Yes, I agree.
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Originally Posted by ByByBMW View Post
I guess I don't understand the reference. Caymans start at $57K, 911's start at $91K.
Talking about the Cayman GT4. The 981 GT4 started at $85K. The 982 will start at more than that most likely, so 911 money.
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Talking about the Cayman GT4. The 981 GT4 started at $85K. The 982 will start at more than that most likely, so 911 money.
I'm going to assume you meant 718, the 981 series is done. Current Caymans/Boxters are 718's
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Originally Posted by ByByBMW View Post
I'm going to assume you meant 718, the 981 series is done. Current Caymans/Boxters are 718's
The 718 (982) GT4 has not been released yet. It's supposed to be revealed in October. When it is, it will most likely be more expensive than the 981 (even though it's supposed to use the flat 6), which was $85K starting.

The post I was originally referring to said they'd buy it if they put decent gears in it and sell it at a price that was reasonable. It's unknown whether the 982 GT4 will have the same long gearing people complained about on the 981, but it's pretty much guaranteed to be the about price of a base 911.

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The question of which is the best is always decided by which makes the car faster in a race. In the old days automatics were always slower (except for special 'racing' transmissions) so the guys for whom 'Winning the race' was the only consideration chose manuals for the quicker shift times. Now, no 'clutch foot' can beat a paddle shift transmission in shift time so the guys for whom 'Winning the race' is the ONLY acceptable result are not going to accept being beat by that damn 'automatic slush-box paddle shifter' in the next lane. As long as the manufacturers provide the slower 'clutch foot cars' for the purists, you can have your cake if manual shifting is what you want, BUT, you can't 'EAT THE CAKE' too by always winning the race. The races will be decided by 'whoever' can control the car's traction problem the best, which was always the next thing a guy driving a powerful car had to do.
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The M7 and the clutch foot beats the current A8 using the paddles which are 1 mississippi then they shift! The guys getting exhausted need to work once in a while!
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