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Although I may be totally wrong it looks to me that what FVS has illustrated in red above showing the cove starts NOT on the door but is actually almost completely on the rear quarter panel with only a small curve showing on the door. Why I feel this way? Why would GM create a cove beginning on the door that has to be engineered to open and close thousands of times while maintaining a seal. With that a door, already big on the C7, would when opened extend what looks to be even 8-12” greater in a parking lane. KISS would suggest otherwise.
So take a look at these pictures that offer why FVS has got it right IMO. Even though the Camo ME shows otherwise, I now think it is a fake cove on the door, or maybe even accommodates instrumentation to calibrate air flow and will soon be removed.
Even one picture shows a door gasket in the same position as with a C7 running from A to B.
I hear what your sayin...but our eyewitness says there is an overhang of the scoop on the door similar to this... see post #27
and while not a million dollar machine I am sure (read hope) they engineered the panels to withstand a bit of ABuse. ; )
Last edited by firstvettesoon; 07-31-2018 at 08:59 PM.
I hear what your sayin...but our eyewitness says there is an overhang of the scoop on the door similar to this... see post #27
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and while not a million dollar machine I am sure (read hope) they engineered the panels to withstand a bit of ABuse. ; )
FVS, maybe I didn’t make myself clear in my post but I actually agree totally in how you responded and illustrated in this side view you created where The INTAKE opening is entirely on the quarter panel with the contour beginning on the door.
If I understand you correctly, you think the opening you outlined above is not the COVE? Not sure if you maybe mean intake?
I visualize the area you circled as the concave hollow that begins at the front wheel and slowly gets deeper until it reaches the intake at the rear Q in front of the rear wheel.
The "cove" has to begin on the door and deepen as it goes back into the actual intake which is on the rear quarter just as it does on the LaFerrari.
In this drawing, I tried to flip the cove shape and project it on the side to show how it works.in my mind. Note the yellow line that follows the shape you circled.
Am I explaining this correctly. Maybe we are just talking apples and apples? ; )
The image where you point out the door gasket is from an older mule where they may have been testing the best shape for the intake and cove? I can see what you mean. it does look a bit strange but from our eyewitness, the concave does begin on the front of the door panel and deepens and twists under so it is deeper at the bottom than the top according to Pimp which is our best info so far.
Last edited by firstvettesoon; 08-01-2018 at 12:37 AM.
FVS, my mistake calling it a ‘Cove’ when instead I should have written ‘Intake’. So I went back and edited out ‘Cove’ and replaced with ‘Intake’. Given that, I still am not understanding what that apparent ‘Structure’, on the door covered with a Camo flap is. The small upper left corner in this close up pic below suggests itis solid going all the way around forming an oblong circle form thus supporting the Camo flap. What is it, and it’s purpose?
FVS: “The image where you point out the door gasket is from an older mule where they may have been testing the best shape for the intake and cove?”
CJ: Not sure of the date that pic was from so you may be correct as modifications progressed. We shall see.
P.S. Keep the ME renditions coming, especially when you respond to a suggestion.
This is what I think is fake or for use in testing thus not the INTAKE opening which is actually on the rear quarter panel.
Thanks for the explanation. I think my confusion was that you said you thought the area was fake, I was trying to figure out why and "think" it's because the image is the open edge of the door looking toward the front of the car...while the intake would be seen looking rearward.
I think it is made clearer in the post above comparing the LaFerrari. ; )
T's hard to imagine the addition of any airbox or scoop intake that would extend the door any more than my C7. I just parked my C7 between two cars in our parking lot. If there was a large airbox attached to the door as suggested in those early open-door mule shots, I would never have been able to exit the vehicle.
...and yes...I agree, ( my comment about not being a million dollar car) about the door panel composite. Better be durable! ; )
I hope that whole door is carbon fiber! I wonder how many stress cycles it can take and/or what happens if someone yanks on it with the door accidentally locked!
FVS, thanks for your patence explaining how you arrived at that in your illustration. Like ToolHarder expressed, that better be extra strong to survive if a ‘wild’ door opening damages what looks to be what on the door would strike something first. I AM CONVINCED YOU GOT IT RIGHT!
T's hard to imagine the addition of any airbox or scoop intake that would extend the door any more than my C7. I just parked my C7 between two cars in our parking lot. If there was a large airbox attached to the door as suggested in those early open-door mule shots, I would never have been able to exit the vehicle.
I think it is a bit of an optical illusion. I don't think the door is necessarily much thicker but the "cove" creates the "coke bottle" narrowing.
I hope that whole door is carbon fiber! I wonder how many stress cycles it can take and/or what happens if someone yanks on it with the door accidentally locked!
2019 GMC Denali truck utilizes what GM calls "CarbonPro" for inner panels and floor of bed box so this material or something similar is likely.
No doubt that area will cause some anxiety. Gotta take it easy swinging that door open...but I suppose most Corvette owners and other exotics are a bit more careful.
..Just don't park next to anyone...especially on windy days..
Carbon fiber would only make repairs more expensive. CF still breaks.
"Maybe" that lip will be a removable/replaceable trim part?
Will be interesting to see how they deal with this potential issue!
Look at a picture of the 2019 Denali truck with the "CarbonPro" material and you'll likely change your mind. Truck beds are made to take abuse and GM threw stones (literally) at Fords "military grade aluminum" and punctured holes in it so I feel confident they've covered their criticism of Ford with this new composite and it will hold up far better than standard carbon fiber that shatters or fractures on hard to medium impacts.
I think it is a bit of an optical illusion. I don't think the door is necessarily much thicker but the "cove" creates the "coke bottle" narrowing.
I made a quick drawing to show this.
Thanks FVS, I agree with your view that the current appearance of the cove doesn't necessarily mean the door will be extended.
The original open-door mule images suggested that not only the cove but the outer part of the intake was included as part of the door panel. The only conclusion that makes sense is that this was an early design effort or simply camo since you would not have been able to park this version without vertical doors.
Compared to the C7 it would be a lot of extra door.
07-31-2018, 08:52 PM
