Saw the C8 uncovered... wow
08-16-2018, 01:06 PM
#281
.... annnnnd.... he works for GM 
This is a planned release/Teaser.
His sketches are on point, and the parts that are not on point, he is describing perfectly, which makes you wonder WHY he did not draw them that way in his sketch?
...Its because he was not allowed to... yet
Any other normal human being would have just drawn what they saw, and that would be that.
To the OP, you might want to tone it down a bit, you sound like an 8 year old kid who thinks he saw bigfoot riding a unicorn, and wants to tell us the endless story and how awesome it was.
Draw the real picture, end the drama please. Picture is worth a thousand words... we don't want 1,000 words, we want the real picture. If you work for GM and can't draw what you KNOW is real, great. You just gave yourself away. Anyone else would just draw it.
We aren't stupid. You thinking we are stupid is getting annoying very quickly.
This is a planned release/Teaser.His sketches are on point, and the parts that are not on point, he is describing perfectly, which makes you wonder WHY he did not draw them that way in his sketch?
...Its because he was not allowed to... yet
Any other normal human being would have just drawn what they saw, and that would be that.
To the OP, you might want to tone it down a bit, you sound like an 8 year old kid who thinks he saw bigfoot riding a unicorn, and wants to tell us the endless story and how awesome it was.
Draw the real picture, end the drama please. Picture is worth a thousand words... we don't want 1,000 words, we want the real picture. If you work for GM and can't draw what you KNOW is real, great. You just gave yourself away. Anyone else would just draw it.
We aren't stupid. You thinking we are stupid is getting annoying very quickly.
why DESCRIBE the steering wheel different than your drawing when you could simply draw it? Obviously, drawing is not difficult for you.
i encourage others to stop speaking to the guy until he draws what he actually saw.
Pretty straight forward.
Either you work for GM an you aren't allowed,
or you are lame and attention seeking and enjoy lame convo with strangers on the net,
or you can draw us a correct picture.
Its one of the 3... which is it?
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08-16-2018, 01:10 PM
#282
Melting Slicks
No doubt a ME Corvette could be an "everyday car" for a Lambo or Ferrari owner but that would likely also be a very, very small market. Only because a $150K Vette would be added to an already long list of everyday cars marketed to this demographic.
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08-16-2018, 01:22 PM
#283
GM has done a great job of keeping this secret, I don't believe anyone outside of GM knows what is planned. Even the supposed insiders on the forums are contradicting each other.
My guess is an updated FE car with 525 hp LT2 and a refreshed interior with better materials and electronics/infotainment. Base, Z51, Grand Sport continue with prices slightly above today's C7.
The FE Z06 is replaced by the ME car which will base around $100K. This will have the 5.5L TT engine, with about 700hp. A true 488/720S fighter at less than half the price is pretty damn compelling.
Later on the insane ZR1 version comes out which will be a La Ferrari/918 type for a quarter of the price.
The FE car is the Corvette Stingray. The ME is the Corvette Zora. This is what I think today, but that changes like the wind as I read these forums.
My guess is an updated FE car with 525 hp LT2 and a refreshed interior with better materials and electronics/infotainment. Base, Z51, Grand Sport continue with prices slightly above today's C7.
The FE Z06 is replaced by the ME car which will base around $100K. This will have the 5.5L TT engine, with about 700hp. A true 488/720S fighter at less than half the price is pretty damn compelling.
Later on the insane ZR1 version comes out which will be a La Ferrari/918 type for a quarter of the price.
The FE car is the Corvette Stingray. The ME is the Corvette Zora. This is what I think today, but that changes like the wind as I read these forums.
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08-16-2018, 01:27 PM
#284
GM has done a great job of keeping this secret, I don't believe anyone outside of GM knows what is planned. Even the supposed insiders on the forums are contradicting each other.
My guess is an updated FE car with 525 hp LT2 and a refreshed interior with better materials and electronics/infotainment. Base, Z51, Grand Sport continue with prices slightly above today's C7.
The FE Z06 is replaced by the ME car which will base around $100K. This will have the 5.5L TT engine, with about 700hp. A true 488/720S fighter at less than half the price is pretty damn compelling.
Later on the insane ZR1 version comes out which will be a La Ferrari/918 type for a quarter of the price.
The FE car is the Corvette Stingray. The ME is the Corvette Zora. This is what I think today, but that changes like the wind as I read these forums.
My guess is an updated FE car with 525 hp LT2 and a refreshed interior with better materials and electronics/infotainment. Base, Z51, Grand Sport continue with prices slightly above today's C7.
The FE Z06 is replaced by the ME car which will base around $100K. This will have the 5.5L TT engine, with about 700hp. A true 488/720S fighter at less than half the price is pretty damn compelling.
Later on the insane ZR1 version comes out which will be a La Ferrari/918 type for a quarter of the price.
The FE car is the Corvette Stingray. The ME is the Corvette Zora. This is what I think today, but that changes like the wind as I read these forums.
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08-16-2018, 01:37 PM
#285
Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
I agree mostly... but the variables still out there are a CAD clearly showing a ME LT1/2 and mules running around with very mundane "base" wheels/tires/brakes.
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08-16-2018, 01:39 PM
#286
Melting Slicks
In my business, which caters to a more fiscally substantial crowd, I have seen a changing demographic. Where the brunt of my clientele used to be older folks that have earned and saved or simply had more fruitful jobs, it is now a much younger bunch. Many of them are not at all interested in my business because there are interested in what is consider more immediate gratification. Automobiles come under this heading, as do expensive dinners, elaborate vacations, mechanical watches and many other luxury items.
There is also the concept that GM is not planning on tapping into the core and historic buyer of Corvettes with this model. The basis for sales of this vehicle may have been planned from the "get go" as international. Bury the naysayers that do not think a Ferrari buyer, McLaren buyer or a Lamborghini buyer will own a Corvette. When the see the actual car, just like all of us, due credit and accolades will follow. Why not call a $150k Corvette the everyday mid engine rig and save the Ferrari or other exotic for a sunny day?
Both of these scenarios work in my world! I admit that I am not the average existence for comparison but I am one that needs to be considered.
There is also the concept that GM is not planning on tapping into the core and historic buyer of Corvettes with this model. The basis for sales of this vehicle may have been planned from the "get go" as international. Bury the naysayers that do not think a Ferrari buyer, McLaren buyer or a Lamborghini buyer will own a Corvette. When the see the actual car, just like all of us, due credit and accolades will follow. Why not call a $150k Corvette the everyday mid engine rig and save the Ferrari or other exotic for a sunny day?
Both of these scenarios work in my world! I admit that I am not the average existence for comparison but I am one that needs to be considered.
Only their highest version later in the cycle which will have the same interior as the base model other than leather, carbon bits and some tech features will be north of the current ZR1. Just like the C7 ZR1 is higher priced compared to the C6 ZR1.. Please read what the Corvette team has been saying for years you can't just avoid that consistent message can you? I posted some bits all throughout this thread. I always say Just because we wish for something doesn't make it come true. The history and the pattern of the GM team have stayed consistent, now Tadge is getting his dream and making an ME, which he wanted to do with the C7 Not a specialty one off. The Viper is dead and the NSX & Audi R8 are following close behind the Viper. I just sold my R8 they stopped production of the V8 with the last gen. Now Audi only makes the V10 and V10 plus. The V10 starts at 169k and they can't sell the cars and just announced it will be scrapped in 2020/2021. Acura offered me 43k off MSRP on an NSX new car, they are not selling. Moving the engine to the middle-rear doesn't mean it has to cost 100k plus. The Porsche Cayman GT4 was under 100k and it’s a mid-engine Porsche that sold like hot cakes. Anyway believe & hope for what you want to fit your narrative, there is no way the starting price on the base ME will be north of 100k. If the base starts over 100k and they alienate their customers to grab some millennials they will follow Viper to the drain.
Last edited by fasttoys; 08-16-2018 at 01:48 PM.
08-16-2018, 01:56 PM
#287
Racer
are you going to address this, or did your boss order you to ignore it?
why DESCRIBE the steering wheel different than your drawing when you could simply draw it? Obviously, drawing is not difficult for you.
i encourage others to stop speaking to the guy until he draws what he actually saw.
Pretty straight forward.
Either you work for GM an you aren't allowed,
or you are lame and attention seeking and enjoy lame convo with strangers on the net,
or you can draw us a correct picture.
Its one of the 3... which is it?
why DESCRIBE the steering wheel different than your drawing when you could simply draw it? Obviously, drawing is not difficult for you.
i encourage others to stop speaking to the guy until he draws what he actually saw.
Pretty straight forward.
Either you work for GM an you aren't allowed,
or you are lame and attention seeking and enjoy lame convo with strangers on the net,
or you can draw us a correct picture.
Its one of the 3... which is it?
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08-16-2018, 02:03 PM
#288
Le Mans Master
08-16-2018, 02:10 PM
#289
Racer
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08-16-2018, 02:27 PM
#290
Racer
Thread Starter
are you going to address this, or did your boss order you to ignore it?
why DESCRIBE the steering wheel different than your drawing when you could simply draw it? Obviously, drawing is not difficult for you.
i encourage others to stop speaking to the guy until he draws what he actually saw.
Pretty straight forward.
Either you work for GM an you aren't allowed,
or you are lame and attention seeking and enjoy lame convo with strangers on the net,
or you can draw us a correct picture.
Its one of the 3... which is it?
why DESCRIBE the steering wheel different than your drawing when you could simply draw it? Obviously, drawing is not difficult for you.
i encourage others to stop speaking to the guy until he draws what he actually saw.
Pretty straight forward.
Either you work for GM an you aren't allowed,
or you are lame and attention seeking and enjoy lame convo with strangers on the net,
or you can draw us a correct picture.
Its one of the 3... which is it?
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08-16-2018, 02:43 PM
#291
Racer
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08-16-2018, 02:45 PM
#292
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You guys need to realize, you get ALLOT. Keep in mind that GM is able to mass produce their vehicles, (c7) and are able to get costs down on things that would cost a whole lot on other exotics. They’re able to lower the costs for some fancy things you find in HP exotics that cost thousands, because of their PRODUCTION VOLUME, cutting deals with manufacturers, suppliers. If the z06 was built in Europe and was limited to 3 thousand or so models like we see in Ferrari’s and Lambos, it would cost upwards 250k. Paying 110k for a base c8 is a damn good deal considering its really worth 250+
But if you meant a Z is now an equivalent to a $250K exotic, not there yet---almost, but not yet. And if you mean only the ME (and believe there will be no other Corvette body/engine), if it has a starting price at $110K or $150K, it could be a big non-starter.
08-16-2018, 03:50 PM
#294
Racer
Thread Starter
You had some real "truths" going in the post until that last sentence. Taken to mean any car in the Corvette lineup, now or in the C8, the last line isn't correct--not unless they're moving every model of C8 up to a $110K base price---and that would be the end of the brand. That would be a doubling of base price---no way.
But if you meant a Z is now an equivalent to a $250K exotic, not there yet---almost, but not yet. And if you mean only the ME (and believe there will be no other Corvette body/engine), if it has a starting price at $110K or $150K, it could be a big non-starter.
But if you meant a Z is now an equivalent to a $250K exotic, not there yet---almost, but not yet. And if you mean only the ME (and believe there will be no other Corvette body/engine), if it has a starting price at $110K or $150K, it could be a big non-starter.
08-16-2018, 03:58 PM
#295
He 1st few hundred post he DEMANDED that everyone who disagreed with him place a wager.
I think the base price of the Zora will.be dependent upon if the plan is for the C7 or C7.5 to live on .
If that is GM plan then yes we could see the Zora start in the 90k range.
Porsche sell the base 911 starting at 90k with steel brakes and basic wheels and then charges for every possible feature you could possible want as an option.
Maybe the Zora is not a replacement to the C7 and will come relatively well optioned at 90k and still under cut the 911 with same option by 10k ?
No one here knows and we are all entitled to an opinion without acting like a jerk and demanding that other forum members back up their opinions.
Also I don't think it far fetched that the Zora can and will sell between 9k it 10k units at 90k plus.
If I recall the annual sales for Corvette in 2015 and 2016 the Z06 sold close to 9k units per year and that was prior to GM offering massive discounts.
So if history is any indication of what GM can sell a high performance Zora can definitely sell 9k or 10k units .
Then possible the C7 or c7.5 makes up the added 20k units with the entry price of 60k for a base to 80k for a GS.
I also agree that if GM want to attract guys that drive Porsche , Ferrari, Lamborghini , Maclaren they have to upgrade the interior materials.
I own exotics and I also love Corvette but the interior has always been it weak point.
I can tell you that my Callaway SC757 will smoke my Ferrari 458 but guess which one is my favorite to drive because of the whole platform and the enjoyment of having finely crafted materialso and attention to detail.
I have a few of friends who own Ferrari and Lamborghini and none of them could careless that the Corvette is faster car. What they will all say is faster and lacks refinement and is less enjoyable to drive.
Now I am sure someone here will tell.me I am nuts and could not possible enjoy the 458 more than the brute strength of the Callaway and it's 757 hp and 777ft of tq.
BTW this Callaway chassis can't handle the 757 hp so while it's fun to drive it will also attempt to kill you if your not careful.
The Ferrari I can use every bit of HP and it never once what's to kill me because it's far better balanced machine.
08-16-2018, 04:02 PM
#296
Pro
I am in the top 2% bracket but $150k Corvette mid-engine rig to save my Ferrari or other exotics for a sunny day would kill the Corvette brand.
Only their highest version later in the cycle which will have the same interior as the base model other than leather, carbon bits and some tech features will be north of the current ZR1. Just like the C7 ZR1 is higher priced compared to the C6 ZR1.. Please read what the Corvette team has been saying for years you can't just avoid that consistent message can you? I posted some bits all throughout this thread. I always say Just because we wish for something doesn't make it come true. The history and the pattern of the GM team have stayed consistent, now Tadge is getting his dream and making an ME, which he wanted to do with the C7 Not a specialty one off. The Viper is dead and the NSX & Audi R8 are following close behind the Viper. I just sold my R8 they stopped production of the V8 with the last gen. Now Audi only makes the V10 and V10 plus. The V10 starts at 169k and they can't sell the cars and just announced it will be scrapped in 2020/2021. Acura offered me 43k off MSRP on an NSX new car, they are not selling. Moving the engine to the middle-rear doesn't mean it has to cost 100k plus. The Porsche Cayman GT4 was under 100k and it’s a mid-engine Porsche that sold like hot cakes. Anyway believe & hope for what you want to fit your narrative, there is no way the starting price on the base ME will be north of 100k. If the base starts over 100k and they alienate their customers to grab some millennials they will follow Viper to the drain.
Only their highest version later in the cycle which will have the same interior as the base model other than leather, carbon bits and some tech features will be north of the current ZR1. Just like the C7 ZR1 is higher priced compared to the C6 ZR1.. Please read what the Corvette team has been saying for years you can't just avoid that consistent message can you? I posted some bits all throughout this thread. I always say Just because we wish for something doesn't make it come true. The history and the pattern of the GM team have stayed consistent, now Tadge is getting his dream and making an ME, which he wanted to do with the C7 Not a specialty one off. The Viper is dead and the NSX & Audi R8 are following close behind the Viper. I just sold my R8 they stopped production of the V8 with the last gen. Now Audi only makes the V10 and V10 plus. The V10 starts at 169k and they can't sell the cars and just announced it will be scrapped in 2020/2021. Acura offered me 43k off MSRP on an NSX new car, they are not selling. Moving the engine to the middle-rear doesn't mean it has to cost 100k plus. The Porsche Cayman GT4 was under 100k and it’s a mid-engine Porsche that sold like hot cakes. Anyway believe & hope for what you want to fit your narrative, there is no way the starting price on the base ME will be north of 100k. If the base starts over 100k and they alienate their customers to grab some millennials they will follow Viper to the drain.
08-16-2018, 04:05 PM
#297
Melting Slicks
for corvette first,
They would be the biggest loser.
Ticking off most of their current ,and aspiring client base is probably not a great idea...
And that won’t happen.
REALITY is Corvette sells more 2 seat sports cars then anyone else,it’s a fantastic and profitable program,and is the envy of the auto industry.
Price point is one of the main reasons.
08-16-2018, 04:09 PM
#298
Pro
Those prices your suggestion would be a huge turn off
for corvette first,
They would be the biggest loser.
Ticking off most of their current ,and aspiring client base is probably not a great idea...
And that won’t happen.
REALITY is Corvette sells more 2 seat sports cars then anyone else,it’s a fantastic and profitable program,and is the envy of the auto industry.
Price point is one of the main reasons.
And they will continue to provide those price points for vehicles that the Corvette faithful have come to enjoy. That is exactly how they will not alienate the base. Many of us have been suggesting this all along. The continuation of the FE line up and the addition of the ME model and it's sub models. Just another vehicle in the mix to expand the patronage.
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08-16-2018, 04:13 PM
#299
Melting Slicks
And they will continue to provide those price points for vehicles that the Corvette faithful have come to enjoy. That is exactly how they will not alienate the base. Many of us have been suggesting this all along. The continuation of the FE line up and the addition of the ME model and it's sub models. Just another vehicle in the mix to expand the patronage.
In that case ownership of a new FE car would be the equivalent of owning a Camaro....
but with no backseat...
Is it the next corvette or not?
Sales would tank beyond belief.
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