Question-Why would someone just not buy a Porsche?
#181
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#183
Don't even go there... the stereotypes for Corvettes are every bit as bad, if not worse. That was the first thing EVERYONE teased me about when I traded my M3 for a Corvette. I love Corvettes and can't wait for the C8 but I'd bet that if you talk to younger people aspiring to an expensive sports car, Porsche will win that war. The C7 helped the cause a bit. The C8 might help it a lot but let's not pretend that the age (and gold chain) stereotype doesn't scream Corvette. The Boxster is similar because no one buys a Boxster unless they simply want a drop top experience... all the young guys want the GT cars
Last edited by gthal; 08-27-2018 at 08:36 PM.
#184
Drifting
but I guess while we’re on the subject, you’re like my brother who’s heard of a Rolex and that’s it. (You’re between 25-45 yo right?) It’s fine. It’s flashy. It’s no Patek or Jaeger or CV or Audemars or Lange. It’s no Grand Seiko. But your Rolex is cool and shiny and retains value well...I’m glad you’re both happy with it.
it’s like cars... your 991 Carrera S is awesome and nice... but it’s no Ferrari 488, Mclaren P1, Bug Chiron, L aventador, right?
Btw 911 plus Rolex (i’d buy a Tudor automatic to avoid people saying there’s a dbag with a 911 + Rolex.) is the cliche from Bonfire of the Vanities! ... Hope you’re still learning !
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#185
Racer
Since I have had my C7 Grand Sport, i've had kids take their pictures with it. I have had young girls take their pictures with it. I've had a lot of people stop and look at this thing when I drive-by... this car gets almost as much of attention if not the same as a Lamborghini does... in the city I live in there's not very many C7 Corvette's around especially ones like mine. You see way more C5 and C6 Corvette's for sure. I've never driven a Porsche and quite frankly I really don't care to. Everybody's got their tastes in vehicles. And yes you're right the reason why I noticed there's way more old guys driving the Porsche Boxsters is the rag top is down and some old man behind the wheel wearing a baseball cap driving it with his 50-60 year old wife. I'll stick to me ride. 😎
Porsche doesn't compare even if they might be faster.
Don't even go there... the stereotypes for Corvettes are every bit as bad, if not worse. That was the first thing EVERYONE teased me about when I traded my M3 for a Corvette. I love Corvettes and can't wait for the C8 but I'd bet that if you talk to younger people aspiring to an expensive sports car, Porsche will win that war. The C7 helped the cause a bit. The C8 might help it a lot but let's not pretend that the age (and gold chain) stereotype doesn't scream Corvette. The Boxster is similar because no one buys a Boxster unless they simply want a drop top experience... all the young guys want the GT cars
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#186
Le Mans Master
Which One would you buy in 1970.....
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#188
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Running costs on porsches are quite a bit higher than corvettes. Service and repair costs out of warranty are a bloodbath with porsches.
gm validates its product with a 300k mile validation process meaning gm knows the likely hood of part failure and its associated costs and those costs are much more reasonable.
the germans design their products to push a perceieved quality image and outside of warranty good luck.
ill still with gm anyday of the week as im a sports car enthusiast who actually uses my sports cars as daily drivers...
weekend toys can afford to be low mileage garage toys like the porsche...but as a daily...ill choose corvette everytime,,,
jmo but since you asked......
and i admire and respect the porsche brand...
gm validates its product with a 300k mile validation process meaning gm knows the likely hood of part failure and its associated costs and those costs are much more reasonable.
the germans design their products to push a perceieved quality image and outside of warranty good luck.
ill still with gm anyday of the week as im a sports car enthusiast who actually uses my sports cars as daily drivers...
weekend toys can afford to be low mileage garage toys like the porsche...but as a daily...ill choose corvette everytime,,,
jmo but since you asked......
and i admire and respect the porsche brand...
Last edited by JerriVette; 08-27-2018 at 11:27 PM.
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#189
From a specifications standpoint, the C8 will be far superior to a Porsche.
vs 911
- mid engine vs rear engine
- more power
- wishbones instead of struts
- much better price/performance
vs Boxster/Cayman
- way more power
- wishbones instead of struts
- much better price/performance
vs 911
- mid engine vs rear engine
- more power
- wishbones instead of struts
- much better price/performance
vs Boxster/Cayman
- way more power
- wishbones instead of struts
- much better price/performance
#190
Racer
How do you know..? The C8 might be one of the most dominant super cars ever built. I still stand by my first statement though I would wait at least one or two years till they get all the bugs out.
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In 1970 I'm buying this.
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Base Corvette has faster lap times than base 911 for the past couple generations of both cars. Same with Z06 compared to the GT3.
Corvettes still come in manual too, FYI. Seems like youre just a fanboy troll here that doesnt know much about Corvette. Funny what naivity bran loyalty will cause. As for me, I'll switch brand hats in a heartbeat when somone makes a better proper sports car for the money.
Last edited by ArmchairArchitect; 08-28-2018 at 03:40 PM.
#195
Answer 2) is interesting, I was thinking about it all morning.
The 911 shape is so iconic, Porsche designers are stuck with that design if they want to keep the look. Plus its 2018 and we have all these regulations & safety restrictions, it has to be tough task for engineers. I think it’s amazing that Porsche has been able to make subtle changes without making it look that drastically different than previous 911. It’s one reason way the 911 is so successful.
The 911 shape is so iconic, Porsche designers are stuck with that design if they want to keep the look. Plus its 2018 and we have all these regulations & safety restrictions, it has to be tough task for engineers. I think it’s amazing that Porsche has been able to make subtle changes without making it look that drastically different than previous 911. It’s one reason way the 911 is so successful.
#196
No manual. Even Ferrari has abandoned the true manual. Love it or hate it, gotta let it go. Modern automatics are faster and more efficient.
#197
Melting Slicks
dudes, you’re reading it wrong... I was criticizing the Timex as an analogy to a Vette.
but I guess while we’re on the subject, you’re like my brother who’s heard of a Rolex and that’s it. (You’re between 25-45 yo right?) It’s fine. It’s flashy. It’s no Patek or Jaeger or CV or Audemars or Lange. It’s no Grand Seiko. But your Rolex is cool and shiny and retains value well...I’m glad you’re both happy with it.
it’s like cars... your 991 Carrera S is awesome and nice... but it’s no Ferrari 488, Mclaren P1, Bug Chiron, L aventador, right?
Btw 911 plus Rolex (i’d buy a Tudor automatic to avoid people saying there’s a dbag with a 911 + Rolex.) is the cliche from Bonfire of the Vanities! ... Hope you’re still learning !
#198
Yes,when it comes to performance, Corvettes are either superior or in the same class. Porsches have nicer interiors but not enough to justify the significantly higher purchase price, cost of parts/maintenance etc.
Base Corvette has faster lap times than base 911 for the past couple generations of both cars. Same with Z06 compared to the GT3.
Corvettes still come in manual too, FYI. Seems like youre just a fanboy troll here that doesnt know much about Corvette. Funny what naivity bran loyalty will cause. As for me, I'll switch brand hats in a heartbeat when somone makes a better proper sports car for the money.
Base Corvette has faster lap times than base 911 for the past couple generations of both cars. Same with Z06 compared to the GT3.
Corvettes still come in manual too, FYI. Seems like youre just a fanboy troll here that doesnt know much about Corvette. Funny what naivity bran loyalty will cause. As for me, I'll switch brand hats in a heartbeat when somone makes a better proper sports car for the money.
#199
Drifting
while we’re on the subject, you’re like my brother who’s heard of a Rolex and that’s it. (You’re between 25-45 yo right?) It’s fine. It’s flashy. It’s no Patek or Jaeger or CV or Audemars or Lange. It’s no Grand Seiko....your Rolex is cool and shiny and retains value well...I’m glad you’re both happy with it.
it’s like cars... your 991 Carrera S is awesome and nice... but it’s no Ferrari 488, Mclaren P1, Bug Chiron, L aventador, right?
Btw 911 plus Rolex (i’d buy a Tudor automatic to avoid people saying there’s a dbag with a 911 + Rolex.) is the cliche from Bonfire of the Vanities!
it’s like cars... your 991 Carrera S is awesome and nice... but it’s no Ferrari 488, Mclaren P1, Bug Chiron, L aventador, right?
Btw 911 plus Rolex (i’d buy a Tudor automatic to avoid people saying there’s a dbag with a 911 + Rolex.) is the cliche from Bonfire of the Vanities!
n.b it’s “you’re” not your
Last edited by Parcival; 08-28-2018 at 04:48 PM.
#200
Sorry, but for the record, there is a lot of erroneous 911 history re interpretation and current state characterizations..
1. The Porsche 80s transition from RE to FE was dictated by validated cost and engineering requirements to counter
the raising ascent of cheaper and better performing sport imports (especially from Japan).
2. Although the Porsche engineers and managers were correct from a technical aspect, the European customers (very much bent on tradition) almost boycotted the entire new line and Porsche almost went belly up with poor sales on the new and cheaper FEs and poor sales of the old and slow REs.
3. That is when they reverted back to a "premium" 911 model which is what we have today.
However, considering that at that time a 911 was the de facto European "corvette" aka Bang for the buck.. if you talk to many old German Porsche purists, they will be the first ones to admit that the price of keeping the old architecture (and iconic) car going got out of hand... great leather notwithstanding... and to be clear (known industry fact) Porsche would not be here today if it wasn't for their SUVs!
1. The Porsche 80s transition from RE to FE was dictated by validated cost and engineering requirements to counter
the raising ascent of cheaper and better performing sport imports (especially from Japan).
2. Although the Porsche engineers and managers were correct from a technical aspect, the European customers (very much bent on tradition) almost boycotted the entire new line and Porsche almost went belly up with poor sales on the new and cheaper FEs and poor sales of the old and slow REs.
3. That is when they reverted back to a "premium" 911 model which is what we have today.
However, considering that at that time a 911 was the de facto European "corvette" aka Bang for the buck.. if you talk to many old German Porsche purists, they will be the first ones to admit that the price of keeping the old architecture (and iconic) car going got out of hand... great leather notwithstanding... and to be clear (known industry fact) Porsche would not be here today if it wasn't for their SUVs!
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