Question-Why would someone just not buy a Porsche?
08-30-2018, 12:01 PM
#221
imo GM's decision on ME means they are going to really be competing in the big leagues and will have to up their game even more----awd will have to be in the offering, hybrid and/or electric, and more exotic designs OR get a dreaded "poor man's porsche" label.
Corvette really should follow Porsche's lead and expand the brand(suv and sedan)
Corvette really should follow Porsche's lead and expand the brand(suv and sedan)
08-30-2018, 12:13 PM
#222
To follow Porsche lead means to position the ME BELOW the FE the same way Porsche positions the Cayman BELOW the 911...
08-30-2018, 12:16 PM
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imo GM's decision on ME means they are going to really be competing in the big leagues and will have to up their game even more----awd will have to be in the offering, hybrid and/or electric, and more exotic designs OR get a dreaded "poor man's porsche" label.
Corvette really should follow Porsche's lead and expand the brand(suv and sedan)
Corvette really should follow Porsche's lead and expand the brand(suv and sedan)
Never heard the term "poor man's Porsche"...maybe "poor man's Ferrari", but then again I've heard the same said about Porsches.
I don't think a Corvette SUV or sedan would make sense. This makes sense for luxury brands like Porsche versus a more purist sports car. There's a reason Ferrari doesn't make SUVs or sedans, they are typically more purist sports cars rather than luxury cars. The Corvette is not meant to be a luxury car...but rather a sports car/supercar with enough luxury features that don't affect performance (weight etc.).
FYI I'm a lover of all sports car based on merit, not brand (we are not brand loyalists as we have a Range Rover, Acura, Honda motorbike, etc.) but the Corvette suffers from tons of misconceptions due to haters of American cars (like that biased ****** Jeremy Clarkson). I don't like most American cars but the Corvette is a true diamond in the rough.
Last edited by ArmchairArchitect; 08-30-2018 at 04:24 PM.
08-30-2018, 12:21 PM
#224
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So much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin. Corvette is already competing in the big leagues, the C 5/6/7 R race cars have numerous wins at Le Mans and many other GT car races. On a pedestrian level, the cars also perform alongside or outperform other brands like Porsche, Ferrari, etc.
Never heard the term "poor man's Porsche"...maybe "poor man's Ferrari", but then again you could say the same about a Porsche.
Not sure a Corvette SUV or sedan would make sense. This makes sense for luxury brands like Porsche versus a more purist sports car. There's a reason Ferrari doesn't make SUVs or sedans, they are more purist sports car rather than luxury cars.
FYI I'm a lover of all sports car based on merit, not brand (we are not loyalists as we have a Range Rover, Acura, etc.) but the Corvette suffers from tons of misconceptions due to haters of American cars. I don't like most American cars but the Corvette is a true diamond in the rough.
Never heard the term "poor man's Porsche"...maybe "poor man's Ferrari", but then again you could say the same about a Porsche.
Not sure a Corvette SUV or sedan would make sense. This makes sense for luxury brands like Porsche versus a more purist sports car. There's a reason Ferrari doesn't make SUVs or sedans, they are more purist sports car rather than luxury cars.
FYI I'm a lover of all sports car based on merit, not brand (we are not loyalists as we have a Range Rover, Acura, etc.) but the Corvette suffers from tons of misconceptions due to haters of American cars. I don't like most American cars but the Corvette is a true diamond in the rough.
corvette GTLM, Lemans
GM makes premium SUv and sedans in the Caddy line (Escalade and CTS),...why cannibalize? VW has Porsche (and Bentley and Lambo and Audi) make SUVs (soon to be Bugatti SUv too) and Sedans (Lambo still mulling sedan but have concept car prototype) because no one really wants a Touareg and Passat if they can do better!
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08-30-2018, 05:51 PM
#226
no worries- U prove my point. Agree, Work hard, Better luck with your career choices and maybe u can afford a 250GTO and Patek one day and summer in Cannes and park your car at the Plaza Athenes when shop in Paris. Guys that consider the Rosewood on Sand Hill Rd (great watch shop there btw) their cafeteria or get their mail at the Dakota or TWC building in Manhattan would never bother with the stuff u just put in writing. Again, I’m happy you’re happy with your Carrera S, rolex (as an aside, u personally answered the question 4 me: why not sport a Porsche +Rolex?) ...now somebody really, tell me where the Effe the Ozarks r? 
I’ll play. this in 1970:
08-30-2018, 10:47 PM
#227
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All I can say to you, is never drive a current generation 911 and you will always think your right! The Porsche is superior to the current C7 in about every way. I have had both and loved my Corvette, but the 911 is better. Perhaps the C8 will close the gap. If so, I will be back.
- PDR
- Magnetic Ride
- Torque
- Infotainment system with phone interfacing (Waze, Pandora, Amazon, Plex, etc)
- VIR/Lightning Lap
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ArmchairArchitect (08-31-2018)
08-30-2018, 11:03 PM
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I loved my c7 z51 and I had PDR and magnetic ride.....awesome car, but I personally favor my 911. It is quicker than my c7 was plus has better fit and finish. Visibility, front end clearance and reduced interior noise are all better as well. Just a better all around car in my opinion. Can’t go wrong with either if you love cars.
08-30-2018, 11:51 PM
#231
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Interesting in that the stats show the GT4 to be pretty much the same size (L x W) as the C7, albeit about 10% lighter (not sure I would call a 3K lb. car "very light"). I agree with the many who have said that the short and very light front makes a HUGE difference in feel. I have not driven one, but have driven plenty of mid and rear engine vehicles and they feel so much different than their front-engined competitors -- lighter and more responsive regardless of the measurables.
dudes, you’re reading it wrong... I was criticizing the Timex as an analogy to a Vette.
but I guess while we’re on the subject, you’re like my brother who’s heard of a Rolex and that’s it. (You’re between 25-45 yo right?) It’s fine. It’s flashy. It’s no Patek or Jaeger or CV or Audemars or Lange. It’s no Grand Seiko. But your Rolex is cool and shiny and retains value well...I’m glad you’re both happy with it.
it’s like cars... your 991 Carrera S is awesome and nice... but it’s no Ferrari 488, Mclaren P1, Bug Chiron, L aventador, right?
Btw 911 plus Rolex (i’d buy a Tudor automatic to avoid people saying there’s a dbag with a 911 + Rolex.) is the cliche from Bonfire of the Vanities! ... Hope you’re still learning !
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08-31-2018, 12:37 AM
#232
Drifting
That is one beautiful car for its time. My favorite in 1967 was the Toyota GT 2000. Driving my ‘65 Vette Vert to an Ardmore, PA Toyota Dealer back then, they had a red one like this on the show room floor. This right before they stopped importing them into the US because of road a clearance issue? So <100 made it into the US. I actually made a trade deal on that GT 2000 with my Corvette but could not pull the trigger. Something like $3k and trade. What a dope! Lots of if’s now. If I bought it and if I took care of it as a DD, and if I still had it, it would be worth well over $1,000,000 now.
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08-31-2018, 02:14 AM
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08-31-2018, 02:41 AM
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I loved my c7 z51 and I had PDR and magnetic ride.....awesome car, but I personally favor my 911. It is quicker than my c7 was plus has better fit and finish. Visibility, front end clearance and reduced interior noise are all better as well. Just a better all around car in my opinion. Can’t go wrong with either if you love cars.
I also can see why you would say the 911 (base?) is quicker that a C7...objectively is patently inaccurate BUT having driven a GTS I can see the aural/RPM playing tricks with my sense of speed... just to realize the car is all RPM and NO torque.. sounding like 120 MPH when in reality I am at 80...and with the C7 is exactly the opposite...
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08-31-2018, 05:31 AM
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08-31-2018, 05:36 AM
#236
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We are in subjective territory.. I would agree Porsche's spends most of it's car budget to impart subjective perceptions of superior build. It's mostly leather and "trinkets" but most importantly it is all static... once you actually measure the objective dynamic characteristics of the two cars driven as sports cars it's a different story...
I also can see why you would say the 911 (base?) is quicker that a C7...objectively is patently inaccurate BUT having driven a GTS I can see the aural/RPM playing tricks with my sense of speed... just to realize the car is all RPM and NO torque.. sounding like 120 MPH when in reality I am at 80...and with the C7 is exactly the opposite...
I also can see why you would say the 911 (base?) is quicker that a C7...objectively is patently inaccurate BUT having driven a GTS I can see the aural/RPM playing tricks with my sense of speed... just to realize the car is all RPM and NO torque.. sounding like 120 MPH when in reality I am at 80...and with the C7 is exactly the opposite...
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08-31-2018, 08:28 AM
#237
Also 350/370 with turbos...a 5% improvement (same for torque). Do you really feel a 5% power/torque improvement warrants the adjective "substantial" ?
08-31-2018, 08:29 AM
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08-31-2018, 08:30 AM
#239
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Porsche overengineers the 0-60 using their trick tranny to launch and keep the revs where there’s power. Try a 5-60 on that Porsche and watch it be SLOWER by a full second or more to 60.
08-31-2018, 08:35 AM
#240
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That is the advertised 0-60 for a 2018 GT3RS. In your acceleration compare I lost the part were you went from a 2015 55K C7 Z51 to a 2018 200K GT3RS?
Also 350/370 with turbos...a 5% improvement (same for torque). Do you really feel a 5% power/torque improvement warrants the adjective "substantial" ?
Also 350/370 with turbos...a 5% improvement (same for torque). Do you really feel a 5% power/torque improvement warrants the adjective "substantial" ?
Last edited by Dr. ice; 08-31-2018 at 09:51 AM.