Question-Why would someone just not buy a Porsche?
09-17-2018, 05:43 AM
#381
There is a lot of misinformation and crap here. 
First, there is no debate a ME is likely a better platform than a RE car. However, tell the folks lapping the 'Ring in their GT2 RS that they don't care about design or performance. The GT3 and GT2 are pretty much at the top of the performance spectrum. Could Porsche accomplish even more with a ME car? Sure but let's not engage in silliness here by suggesting a 911 isn't an incredibly capable car. IIRC, the GT2 RS laps the 'Ring faster than a ZR1. Yes, it's more expensive but it's also more capable. You are talking about RE cars from 20 years ago... not modern 911's.
Maybe a 911 will morph into a ME (or maybe the Cayman will replace it... but very unlikely) but Porsche still has a bit a breathing room with their 6:47 laptime until maybe the C8 Z has a chance to catch up or best it.
First, there is no debate a ME is likely a better platform than a RE car. However, tell the folks lapping the 'Ring in their GT2 RS that they don't care about design or performance. The GT3 and GT2 are pretty much at the top of the performance spectrum. Could Porsche accomplish even more with a ME car? Sure but let's not engage in silliness here by suggesting a 911 isn't an incredibly capable car. IIRC, the GT2 RS laps the 'Ring faster than a ZR1. Yes, it's more expensive but it's also more capable. You are talking about RE cars from 20 years ago... not modern 911's.
Maybe a 911 will morph into a ME (or maybe the Cayman will replace it... but very unlikely) but Porsche still has a bit a breathing room with their 6:47 laptime until maybe the C8 Z has a chance to catch up or best it.
Within 3-4 years the ME Corvette will decimate any rear engine Porsche except, perhaps, an all out racing machine.
As far as "misinformation and crap", I don't believe that your assertions about the capabilities of current Porsche's has anything to do with my 5 statements. It does appear that you are taking exception to "within 3-4 years the 911 will be a mid engine design or it will sell in severely limited quantities to people that care much more about status than automotive design and performance" which you may well dispute since it is a my guess about what will happen in the future.
Last edited by PurpleLion; 09-17-2018 at 05:56 AM.
09-17-2018, 06:10 AM
#382
There is a lot of misinformation and crap here.
First, there is no debate a ME is likely a better platform than a RE car. However, tell the folks lapping the 'Ring in their GT2 RS that they don't care about design or performance. The GT3 and GT2 are pretty much at the top of the performance spectrum. Could Porsche accomplish even more with a ME car? Sure but let's not engage in silliness here by suggesting a 911 isn't an incredibly capable car. IIRC, the GT2 RS laps the 'Ring faster than a ZR1. Yes, it's more expensive but it's also more capable. You are talking about RE cars from 20 years ago... not modern 911's.
Maybe a 911 will morph into a ME (or maybe the Cayman will replace it... but very unlikely) but Porsche still has a bit a breathing room with their 6:47 laptime until maybe the C8 Z has a chance to catch up or best it.
First, there is no debate a ME is likely a better platform than a RE car. However, tell the folks lapping the 'Ring in their GT2 RS that they don't care about design or performance. The GT3 and GT2 are pretty much at the top of the performance spectrum. Could Porsche accomplish even more with a ME car? Sure but let's not engage in silliness here by suggesting a 911 isn't an incredibly capable car. IIRC, the GT2 RS laps the 'Ring faster than a ZR1. Yes, it's more expensive but it's also more capable. You are talking about RE cars from 20 years ago... not modern 911's.
Maybe a 911 will morph into a ME (or maybe the Cayman will replace it... but very unlikely) but Porsche still has a bit a breathing room with their 6:47 laptime until maybe the C8 Z has a chance to catch up or best it.
Last edited by Telepierre; 09-17-2018 at 06:11 AM.
09-17-2018, 06:48 AM
#383
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Yes, there is no question that Porsche has refined their rear engine design to the nth degree. Regardless, they have already started to transition to mid engine (911 RSR).
Within 3-4 years the ME Corvette will decimate any rear engine Porsche except, perhaps, an all out racing machine.
As far as "misinformation and crap", I don't believe that your assertions about the capabilities of current Porsche's has anything to do with my 5 statements. It does appear that you are taking exception to "within 3-4 years the 911 will be a mid engine design or it will sell in severely limited quantities to people that care much more about status than automotive design and performance" which you may well dispute since it is a my guess about what will happen in the future.
Within 3-4 years the ME Corvette will decimate any rear engine Porsche except, perhaps, an all out racing machine.
As far as "misinformation and crap", I don't believe that your assertions about the capabilities of current Porsche's has anything to do with my 5 statements. It does appear that you are taking exception to "within 3-4 years the 911 will be a mid engine design or it will sell in severely limited quantities to people that care much more about status than automotive design and performance" which you may well dispute since it is a my guess about what will happen in the future.
Worldwide Porsche sales numbers in 2017.
718(Boxster/Cayman)-----------------~25,000
911--------------------------------------~32,000
911 sales are strong worldwide, so I doubt that the 911 will be disappearing in 3-4 years.
While Corvette sales have fallen, 911 sales have risen.
Last edited by JoesC5; 09-17-2018 at 06:55 AM.
09-17-2018, 07:15 AM
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Corvette sales have only gone down in the past year. They go through a sales cycle with strong sales as a new generation is introduced until sales drop at the end of the cycle in anticipation of a new model.
C7 2017 22,801
C7 2016 40,689
C7 2015 34,240
C7 2014 37,288
C6 2013 13,466
C6 2012 11,647
C6 2011 13,596
C6 2010 12,194
C6 2009 16,956
C6 2008 35,310
C6 2007 40,561
C6 2006 34,021
C6 2005 37,372
C5 2004 34,064
C5 2003 35,469
C5 2002 35,767
C5 2001 35,627
C5 2000 33,682
C5 1999 33,270
C5 1998 31,084
C5 1997 9,752
C4 1996 21,536
C4 1995 20,742
C4 1994 23,330
C4 1993 21,590
C4 1992 20,479
C4 1991 20,639
C4 1990 23,646
C4 1989 26,412
C4 1988 22,789
C4 1987 30,632
C4 1986 35,109
C4 1985 39,729
C4 1984 51,547
C3 1982 25,407
C3 1981 40,606
C3 1980 40,614
C3 1979 53,807
C7 2017 22,801
C7 2016 40,689
C7 2015 34,240
C7 2014 37,288
C6 2013 13,466
C6 2012 11,647
C6 2011 13,596
C6 2010 12,194
C6 2009 16,956
C6 2008 35,310
C6 2007 40,561
C6 2006 34,021
C6 2005 37,372
C5 2004 34,064
C5 2003 35,469
C5 2002 35,767
C5 2001 35,627
C5 2000 33,682
C5 1999 33,270
C5 1998 31,084
C5 1997 9,752
C4 1996 21,536
C4 1995 20,742
C4 1994 23,330
C4 1993 21,590
C4 1992 20,479
C4 1991 20,639
C4 1990 23,646
C4 1989 26,412
C4 1988 22,789
C4 1987 30,632
C4 1986 35,109
C4 1985 39,729
C4 1984 51,547
C3 1982 25,407
C3 1981 40,606
C3 1980 40,614
C3 1979 53,807
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09-17-2018, 08:05 AM
#385
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Porsche 911 s are awesome sports cars...not quite equal in performance to corvettes but the porsche offers that percieved quality snobby guys want..
chicks think porsches are turds...so its really bragging rights between other porsche nerds.
the 992 shown chasing the rear mid engine corvette c8 is pretty much what porsches do at the track...
cool rides...a bit over priced but i like them and those two little jump seats are good to have in an emergency to move the kiddies..
chicks think porsches are turds...so its really bragging rights between other porsche nerds.
the 992 shown chasing the rear mid engine corvette c8 is pretty much what porsches do at the track...
cool rides...a bit over priced but i like them and those two little jump seats are good to have in an emergency to move the kiddies..
09-17-2018, 10:48 PM
#386
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Porsche 911 s are awesome sports cars...not quite equal in performance to corvettes but the porsche offers that percieved quality snobby guys want..
chicks think porsches are turds...so its really bragging rights between other porsche nerds.
the 992 shown chasing the rear mid engine corvette c8 is pretty much what porsches do at the track...
cool rides...a bit over priced but i like them and those two little jump seats are good to have in an emergency to move the kiddies..
chicks think porsches are turds...so its really bragging rights between other porsche nerds.
the 992 shown chasing the rear mid engine corvette c8 is pretty much what porsches do at the track...
cool rides...a bit over priced but i like them and those two little jump seats are good to have in an emergency to move the kiddies..
09-17-2018, 11:08 PM
#387
Melting Slicks
I don't know if you're a real MD, DO or hopeless Mid-Level. I own several assets Including a medical practice and have been on this forum for almost 15 years without mentioning it or other assets I own. What I do find funny and empirical is this: if you really are a dx clinician, you're the genesis of the HTN or high blood pressure you have induced in a lot of people here. 
If fact, you personally have kept me entertained that I cannot even watch "OZARK". Take a look at my photo albums, I have toys.... German and American and I am torn between buying a ZR1 now or waiting for the untested (YIKES) M.E. vette.
If fact, you personally have kept me entertained that I cannot even watch "OZARK". Take a look at my photo albums, I have toys.... German and American and I am torn between buying a ZR1 now or waiting for the untested (YIKES) M.E. vette.
09-17-2018, 11:23 PM
#388
Race Director
Get the c7 ZR1 ...then sell it and buy rear mid engine c8....then sell it or trade it in for the rear mid engine 650 hp or 800hp version...
problem solved
money no object of course...
problem solved
money no object of course...
09-18-2018, 08:25 PM
#389
Here is another reason why buying America can be more beneficial:
http://www.thedrive.com/news/23576/a...buyer-deposits
http://www.thedrive.com/news/23576/a...buyer-deposits
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09-18-2018, 08:29 PM
#390
Melting Slicks
Here is another reason why buying America can be more beneficial:
http://www.thedrive.com/news/23576/a...buyer-deposits
http://www.thedrive.com/news/23576/a...buyer-deposits
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09-18-2018, 09:20 PM
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09-19-2018, 09:30 AM
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Yeah, but that's like being impressed at the 15 year old kid who gets good at skateboarding over the Summer. Yeah, he got good, but he also had 10 hours a day with nothing to do but practice, has youth and reflexes on his side and is in perfect health. So it becomes a little less impressive.
09-19-2018, 10:20 PM
#397
Melting Slicks
Yeah, but that's like being impressed at the 15 year old kid who gets good at skateboarding over the Summer. Yeah, he got good, but he also had 10 hours a day with nothing to do but practice, has youth and reflexes on his side and is in perfect health. So it becomes a little less impressive.
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09-20-2018, 11:09 AM
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I was just looking at the August issue of Car & Driver and saw the comparison between the Porsche 911 GT2 Rs vs. the Corvette ZR1. What was especially shocking were their relative prices; $348,730 for the P-car and $143,810 for the Corvette. That's 2.42 times the price.
I've got an idea; why not compare the ZR1 to a $60,000 P-car (if there is such a thing) to get a similar ratio?
The fact that the ZR1 was only slightly bested by the GT2 demonstrates what an amazing bargain it is.
I've got an idea; why not compare the ZR1 to a $60,000 P-car (if there is such a thing) to get a similar ratio?
The fact that the ZR1 was only slightly bested by the GT2 demonstrates what an amazing bargain it is.
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09-20-2018, 11:14 AM
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I was just looking at the August issue of Car & Driver and saw the comparison between the Porsche 911 GT2 Rs vs. the Corvette ZR1. What was especially shocking were their relative prices; $348,730 for the P-car and $143,810 for the Corvette. That's 2.42 times the price.
I've got an idea; why not compare the ZR1 to a $60,000 P-car (if there is such a thing) to get a similar ratio?
The fact that the ZR1 was only slightly bested by the GT2 demonstrates what an amazing bargain it is.
I've got an idea; why not compare the ZR1 to a $60,000 P-car (if there is such a thing) to get a similar ratio?
The fact that the ZR1 was only slightly bested by the GT2 demonstrates what an amazing bargain it is.
We know that won't happen.
So we go back to money, the only P car that would be that price range would be the Cayman base. And we know how that comparo will go, the ZR1 WILL win.