Question-Why would someone just not buy a Porsche?
09-22-2018, 09:20 AM
#421
Melting Slicks
My neighbors love thier new 991.2 porsches...there are three on my block...lol
but even these multi millionaires are laughing at the prices porsche is charging...
they even admit its ridiculous...I know them for 25 years...I've been driving corvettes...they have been driving porsches...
they often consider the new corvettes but at the last minute their porsche dealer makes them a deal they cant refuse...
there seems to be a lot of leeway in porsche dealers pricing when they want to keep a customer.
or so thats what my neighbors seem to imply.
i like all sports cars so we have fun shooting the breeze or waving from time to time.
i think the wives like the idea of their husbands driving porsches more so than corvettes too so that aids in their decisions...i cant tell but i think thats part of it.
last year i was thinking porsche , jaguar f type v8 and of course staying with corvettes...
fwiw....my wife thought porsches were ugly..nice intial turn in with no engine up front was cool ...my wife loved the jaguar f thpe and was pushing for me to get simething different than a corvette ...lol
i offered to buy her one but she likes that cuv thing of sitting up high etc.
i drove all three sports cars in one day ....what can I say i like the raw rumble of the corvette and i like the stick shift...the jaguar was like a M5 dressed in a sexy 2 seat convertible,,,it is a pretty car but nooooo i dont think Id be happy with one even with the supercharged v8...people tend to stay with what they like ...most of us like corvettes,,,
ill lean towards the dct instead of another manual in the c8 just because the technology is so highly regarded ..what the hell one dct rear mid engine corvette before I die makes sense, the rumors of a rear mid engine corvette has been four decades in the making..just gotta buy one of those.
I believe there will be a lot of conquest sales with the upcoming c8.
i believe a lot of guys will go for the c8...
the price structures not a bend over experience like porsche...the rear mid engine, the four decades we all read about the rear mid engine coming ...lol before we all die we want to believe anything is possible.(kidding)
im sure the new 992 is an awesome sports car. Im sure the Porsche faithful will love it...i happen to like the 991.2 ..i think its a good looking car with a nice motor...im not sure the 992 is as pretty but i think its color dependent
the rear wing is weird but im sure it just takes time to get used to..
but even these multi millionaires are laughing at the prices porsche is charging...
they even admit its ridiculous...I know them for 25 years...I've been driving corvettes...they have been driving porsches...
they often consider the new corvettes but at the last minute their porsche dealer makes them a deal they cant refuse...
there seems to be a lot of leeway in porsche dealers pricing when they want to keep a customer.
or so thats what my neighbors seem to imply.
i like all sports cars so we have fun shooting the breeze or waving from time to time.
i think the wives like the idea of their husbands driving porsches more so than corvettes too so that aids in their decisions...i cant tell but i think thats part of it.
last year i was thinking porsche , jaguar f type v8 and of course staying with corvettes...
fwiw....my wife thought porsches were ugly..nice intial turn in with no engine up front was cool ...my wife loved the jaguar f thpe and was pushing for me to get simething different than a corvette ...lol
i offered to buy her one but she likes that cuv thing of sitting up high etc.
i drove all three sports cars in one day ....what can I say i like the raw rumble of the corvette and i like the stick shift...the jaguar was like a M5 dressed in a sexy 2 seat convertible,,,it is a pretty car but nooooo i dont think Id be happy with one even with the supercharged v8...people tend to stay with what they like ...most of us like corvettes,,,
ill lean towards the dct instead of another manual in the c8 just because the technology is so highly regarded ..what the hell one dct rear mid engine corvette before I die makes sense, the rumors of a rear mid engine corvette has been four decades in the making..just gotta buy one of those.
I believe there will be a lot of conquest sales with the upcoming c8.
i believe a lot of guys will go for the c8...
the price structures not a bend over experience like porsche...the rear mid engine, the four decades we all read about the rear mid engine coming ...lol before we all die we want to believe anything is possible.(kidding)
im sure the new 992 is an awesome sports car. Im sure the Porsche faithful will love it...i happen to like the 991.2 ..i think its a good looking car with a nice motor...im not sure the 992 is as pretty but i think its color dependent
the rear wing is weird but im sure it just takes time to get used to..
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JerriVette (09-22-2018)
09-22-2018, 09:38 AM
#422
You don't have to be rich to buy a Porsche. Same could be said for the Corvette. Sure a lot of owners are very well off, but most are upper middle class for both cars. You do have to be very comfortable financially though for both cars but from what I read and see there are a lot of "car poor" people owning both Porsche's and Corvette's.
09-22-2018, 09:55 AM
#423
Melting Slicks
Pontiac Fiero was decades ago, as some pointed out.
pontiac and chevy: 2 vastly different R&D budgets and engineering capabilities... not even close of a coomparison. Corvette level of effort and investment vs... Pontiac. LoL
speaking of R&D, 1980 engine tech can’t be used to judge today’s efforts I. ME capability. Even 1980’s eta ME from the experts of the era don’t compare to today’s offerings.
pontiac and chevy: 2 vastly different R&D budgets and engineering capabilities... not even close of a coomparison. Corvette level of effort and investment vs... Pontiac. LoL
speaking of R&D, 1980 engine tech can’t be used to judge today’s efforts I. ME capability. Even 1980’s eta ME from the experts of the era don’t compare to today’s offerings.
09-22-2018, 10:46 AM
#424
Melting Slicks
A $310K family income is far from what I think is "rich" these days. If you live in any major city in North America and make that much money, at least you can afford to buy a house and have a nice car. In some cities, that would be a stretch with real estate values these days!!
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gthal (09-22-2018)
09-22-2018, 11:26 AM
#425
Melting Slicks
I actually saw a burgundy fiero coming the opposite direction the other day - I havent seen one of those in a ton of years - my brother had a two tone silver one a ton of years ago - they were cool little cars
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09-22-2018, 01:04 PM
#426
I know you're joking, but I have read many who talk about how much more upscale buttons, switches, and ***** make a car.
Maybe so, it's not for me to decide.
If Manufacturers were SMART they would listen to these comments and spend an extra 20 bucks on buttons, *****, etc. and come up away with a 911 or Audi Spyder or whatever.
No, I'm not going to bite.
Maybe so, it's not for me to decide.
If Manufacturers were SMART they would listen to these comments and spend an extra 20 bucks on buttons, *****, etc. and come up away with a 911 or Audi Spyder or whatever.
No, I'm not going to bite.
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09-23-2018, 10:22 AM
#427
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I know you're joking, but I have read many who talk about how much more upscale buttons, switches, and ***** make a car.
Maybe so, it's not for me to decide.
If Manufacturers were SMART they would listen to these comments and spend an extra 20 bucks on buttons, *****, etc. and come up away with a 911 or Audi Spyder or whatever.
No, I'm not going to bite.
Maybe so, it's not for me to decide.
If Manufacturers were SMART they would listen to these comments and spend an extra 20 bucks on buttons, *****, etc. and come up away with a 911 or Audi Spyder or whatever.
No, I'm not going to bite.
Just the radio volume **** for my 2009 Audi A6 is $65
from the dealer.No, I did not buy one.
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ArmchairArchitect (09-24-2018)
09-23-2018, 11:02 AM
#428
09-23-2018, 11:09 AM
#429
Drifting
Bingo! and to make sunsalem point. It costs audi $7 dollars +/- a few to make that **** but people pay $65 because that is the aspirational value some customers associate to it....and Audi makes more margin on pretty trinkets than more power or more reliability (for example)..
At my core, I don’t believe in paying several times the cost of dealer invoice for a car related item or paying over $200k for a car that goes slower than a GM car around a track lap (caveat is I don’t give two ****** abt 0-60 or quarter mile times or else I’d buy an electric car or a Top Fuel dragster).
I aspire to make more $ so that I don’t have to worry abt the price tag of things but I doubt I’ll ever change at my core
!sunday drive time
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09-23-2018, 12:29 PM
#430
Core value vs aspirational value:
At my core, I don’t believe in paying several times the cost of dealer invoice for a car related item or paying over $200k for a car that goes slower than a GM car around a track lap (caveat is I don’t give two ****** abt 0-60 or quarter mile times or else I’d buy an electric car or a Top Fuel dragster).
I aspire to make more $ so that I don’t have to worry abt the price tag of things but I doubt I’ll ever change at my core
!sunday drive time
09-27-2018, 01:59 PM
#433
Le Mans Master
I think if you added all lifetime ownership costs, that a Porsche that competes in lap times with a Corvette, probably costs 2x as much $. That's a hell of a cost to pay for some nicer controls.
The previous owner really did up the interior of my C6, where it's pretty darn nice, I don't think he spent more than about $4K doing it aftermarket.
I don't see the value on the P product but I'll freely admit, that's partly because the models I am drawn to are just out of my budget entirely.
The previous owner really did up the interior of my C6, where it's pretty darn nice, I don't think he spent more than about $4K doing it aftermarket.
I don't see the value on the P product but I'll freely admit, that's partly because the models I am drawn to are just out of my budget entirely.
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ArmchairArchitect (09-27-2018)
09-28-2018, 07:49 AM
#434
Race Director
Well....I'll answer the ORIGINAL question.
I am not interested in a Porsche. They are great cars, no question, but I am happy with my C7 (my 5th Corvette), and assuming the C8 is what I THINK it will be, I will buy one.
I am not interested in a Porsche. They are great cars, no question, but I am happy with my C7 (my 5th Corvette), and assuming the C8 is what I THINK it will be, I will buy one.
09-28-2018, 09:07 AM
#435
Burning Brakes
I know you're joking, but I have read many who talk about how much more upscale buttons, switches, and ***** make a car.
Maybe so, it's not for me to decide.
If Manufacturers were SMART they would listen to these comments and spend an extra 20 bucks on buttons, *****, etc. and come up away with a 911 or Audi Spyder or whatever.
No, I'm not going to bite.
Maybe so, it's not for me to decide.
If Manufacturers were SMART they would listen to these comments and spend an extra 20 bucks on buttons, *****, etc. and come up away with a 911 or Audi Spyder or whatever.
No, I'm not going to bite.
09-28-2018, 10:31 AM
#436
09-28-2018, 10:36 AM
#437
A $310K family income is far from what I think is "rich" these days. If you live in any major city in North America and make that much money, at least you can afford to buy a house and have a nice car. In some cities, that would be a stretch with real estate values these days!!
09-28-2018, 10:37 AM
#438
Pretty sure the Volvo XC90 is the current benchmark for interior quality.
09-28-2018, 10:43 AM
#439
A lot of great luxury in that picture. Where is the Sport?!
09-29-2018, 03:21 AM
#440
The Lexus definitely has a Japanese flair, with many intersecting surfaces and lines (like origami). Also has great material choices and cool gizmos (not sure if it still has the moving instrument panel like the LFA, but that was really slick).
I think they both do a very good job.
I think Cadillac was killing it with their concept cars from the last few year (Ciel, Elmiraj, Escala), but they haven't done much in that direction. Doing something more like those cars would really have put them back in the game IMO.
Would be great to see Cadillac working on the details like switch feel, materials, etc, which maybe could then trickle down to the Vette, rather than having something from the Cavalier "trickle up".
-T