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Old 08-21-2018, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by C5Driver View Post
Instead of a M/E Corvette? GM and mid engine have sort of an oil and water ring to it for me. Why not buy from a Company who has been doing M/E for decades now. No matter how pretty the Corvette M/E might be, its last cousin was a Fiero, think about it.

The Fiero was a fun little car at its price point (I had used 86 6cyl 20ish years ago). Ever had 4 people in a Fiero driving back from Tiajuana? I'm just glad it was my car and I was driving.



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Old 08-21-2018, 10:48 PM
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And not with the 981 Boxster/Caymans either. I have a 2013 Boxster, first year of the new design and I have had ZERO issues.
I know someone with a 2013 also. No issues.
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Old 08-21-2018, 10:51 PM
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-Lower price
-More power/torque
​​​​​​-Lower maintenance/upkeep costs
-Dealer availability
But we don'y know for sure about the C8 pricing.
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All I can say to you, is never drive a current generation 911 and you will always think your right! The Porsche is superior to the current C7 in about every way. I have had both and loved my Corvette, but the 911 is better. Perhaps the C8 will close the gap. If so, I will be back.
As some one who has had both, I will respectfully disagree. I will take my Z06 over the slower 911 any day.

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As some one who has had both, I will respectfully disagree. I will take my Z06 over the slower 911 any day.
The Z06 is a much different animal than the standard corvette. At least for the C6's it was.


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Originally Posted by Plexoer View Post
As some one who has had both, I will respectfully disagree. I will take my Z06 over the slower 911 any day.
To me it depends which 911. If itís a GT3 Porsche all day long over my C7 Z06. If itís just a 911 I go with the Z.
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To me it depends which 911. If itís a GT3 Porsche all day long over my C7 Z06. If itís just a 911 I go with the Z.
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Originally Posted by Dr. ice View Post
ll I can say to you, is never drive a current generation 911 and you will always think your right! The Porsche is superior to the current C7 in about every way. I have had both and loved my Corvette, but the 911 is better. Perhaps the C8 will close the gap. If so, I will be back.
My post was more from an engineering viewpoint than an experiential viewpoint. There are many ways to rate cars and, as you have said, you prefer your Porsche. OK, fine. But, when talking about SPORTS CARS that are designed to handle well and be fast at ten tenths on a track, struts and rear engines just don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Michael A View Post
This sounds like fanboy talk.

Motortrend 2017 Best Driver's Car: 718 Cayman S 12.0 quarter mile, Corvette Grand Sport 12.2 quarter mile. Right, really eating it for lunch.

I have not seen any "huge reliability problem" with the 718 Cayman or Boxster.
Motor Trend never has been able to run a decent quarter mile. The fact that in the article you quoted the GS was running 2 mph faster yet was .2 sec slower shows that they still can't launch the car. The GS will run 11's all day long with someone who knows how to drive it. Other than your cherrypicked stat, the GS was faster around the track, faster around the skidpad, and quicker stopping.

And I notice you were very careful to limit your reliability comment to the 718 cayman. You think they've fixed the cylinder scoring issues then?

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Originally Posted by Plexoer View Post
As some one who has had both, I will respectfully disagree. I will take my Z06 over the slower 911 any day.
my 2017 C2S is a 3.1 second car. Much quicker than my C7 Z51 and not much off the pace of a Z06. The new models with the turbos do a nice job of putting the additional torque to the pavement. It is also rated at 191 mph. Again, probably as good if not better than a aero restricted Z on speed. You would have to get to the track to beat the Porsche. The Corvette dosent touch the 911 for every day livability or fit and finish. I find the 911 to currently be a better all around car. I am hoping the ME will change that b
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Originally Posted by sstonebreaker View Post
And I notice you were very careful to limit your reliability comment to the 718 cayman. You think they've fixed the cylinder scoring issues then?
I frequent the Porsche forums as much as the corvette forums and yours is the first post I have ever read about "cylinder scoring". References please?
Edit: Never mind, I found some and they were for engines at least 3-4 generations ago. My question to you would be did GM ever fix the LS7 valve problems that lead to catastrophic engine failures? (Plenty of references in the C6 Z06 forums right here on CF).

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Originally Posted by sstonebreaker View Post
No, it's last BROTHER was this:
No, itís this

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Corvette has pioneered/invented many sports car technologies- magnetic suspension (starting with C5), hydroformed frame/chassis (starting with C5), balsa wood for floorboards (C5), Heads Up Display (starting with C5), magnesium roof (C6Z), etc. etc. Not to mention early adoption of rear-mounted transmission for near 50/50 weight distribution (starting with C5), exhaust butterfly valves, etc. They are used to developing new/forefront technologies for the Corvette.

Mid-Engine is not some huge challenge to design/reinvent the wheel- plenty of other existing ME cars to study from.

Fiero was a completely different design/engineering team from decades ago, and under a different brand. Not sure why you would bring this up. Porsche has it's fair share of crappy cars over the years- 914, 924, the 996 era 911s with their IMS issues/grenading engines, etc.

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In 2017(calendar year) Porsche sold twice as many mid engine and rear engine sports cars worldwide(~57,000) than front engine Corvettes sold worldwide(~28,000).

Porsche has a large following. Porsche sports car's sales have been increasing while Corvette's sales have been decreasing.

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Originally Posted by ArmchairArchitect View Post
Corvette has pioneered/invented many sports car technologies- magnetic suspension (starting with C5), hydroformed frame/chassis (starting with C5), balsa wood for floorboards (C5), Heads Up Display (starting with C5), magnesium roof (C6Z), etc. etc. Not to mention early adoption of rear-mounted transmission for 50/50 weight distribution (starting with C5), exhaust butterfly valves, etc. They are used to developing new/forefront technologies for the Corvette.

Mid-Engine is not some huge challenge to design/reinvent the wheel- plenty of other existing ME cars to study from.

Fiero was a completely different design/engineering team from decades ago, and under a different brand. Not sure why you would bring this up. Porsche has it's fair share of crappy cars over the years- 914, 924, the 996 era 911s with their IMS issues/grenading engines, etc.
Just to eliminate any confusion, the roof of the C6 Z06 was not magnesium. The C6 Z06's roof frame was made of magnesium and the roof panel was first made of polycarbonate, but the adhesive would not hold so a 4 pound heavier SMC roof panel was used after 2007. Then the C6 ZR1 had the same magnesium roof frame but with a carbon fiber roof panel.

While the C5 did have the rear mounted transmission(transaxle) for a 51/49(not 50/50) weight distribution(same weight distribution of the engine mounted transmission 1984 C4), the 1963 C2 used an engine mounted transmission for a 47/53 weight distribution. A transaxle for the 1963 Corvette was considered, but the idea was discarded due to high cost.

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Yah don't think Chevy already asked itself this question?
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Originally Posted by ByByBMW View Post
When the ME Corvette is out, I will then be able to answer your question. Until then the ME Vette is all smoke and mirrors and wishes and maybes and what ifs and ad infinitum.
That....is the best answer yet.

Absolutely no one knows how this car is going to turn out.
Hopes are high so let's wait and see.


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Originally Posted by PurpleLion View Post
My post was more from an engineering viewpoint than an experiential viewpoint. There are many ways to rates cars and, as you have said, you prefer your Porsche. OK, fine. But, when talking about SPORTS CARS that are designed to handle well and be fast at ten tenths on a track, struts and rear engines just don't get it.
Tell that to TT/TTS/GT3/GT2 owners, if specifically track-oriented, then consider just the GT2/3.
Those cars flat GET IT.
It's foolhardy to dismiss the achievements Porsche has made with the rear engine design.


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Originally Posted by JoesC5 View Post
Just to eliminate any confusion, the roof of the C6 Z06 was not magnesium. The C6 Z06's roof frame was made of magnesium and the roof panel was first made of polycarbonate, but the adhesive would not hold so a 4 pound heavier SMC roof panel was used after 2007. Then the C6 ZR1 had the same magnesium roof frame but with a carbon fiber roof panel.

While the C5 did have the rear mounted transmission(transaxle) for a 51/49(not 50/50) weight distribution(same weight distribution of the engine mounted transmission 1984 C4), the 1963 C2 used an engine mounted transmission for a 47/53 weight distribution. A transaxle for the 1963 Corvette was considered, but the idea was discarded due to high cost.
You're splitting hairs here. My overall point is still valid.
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The GM patented magnetic shocks are terrific. That’s why Ferrari and Lamborghini, and other sports cars, use them under license, and of course not saying in their marketing,....”spend $3-500,000 on our car and you will also get the Corvette mag shocks”.
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