Question-Why would someone just not buy a Porsche?
09-12-2018, 08:19 PM
#321
Drifting
I would never buy a Corvette simply because I'm an American! No matter if it's made in the USA or not it still helps the USA economy. No matter how much I love my country, the world in its entirety is such an amazing place that I like to think of myself as a Global Citizen as well.
All things being equal I buy American. Luckily I don’t have to compromise with my C7Z and Denali (ps also love my German cars)
Last edited by Parcival; 09-12-2018 at 08:23 PM.
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09-13-2018, 06:30 PM
#322
https://www.hotcars.com/10-foreign-c...rs-that-arent/
You have your work cut out for you,
You have your work cut out for you,
At least it's largely assembled in the US but much of the stuff comes from everywhere else. If it was 100% made, sourced, and assembled in the US then it would be a pretty damned expensive car without all of the inexpensive material and global labour that goes into it.
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09-13-2018, 06:49 PM
#323
Finally (maybe) the Mid-Engine Corvette
No offense to prior comments on this thread, many of them utterly irrelevant. Let's remember that it took Porsche close on 50 years to build a car that was not dangerous to the inexperienced driver who could not handle high polar moment, and it took Chevy some 40 years to build a car that was more than a cluster of parts flying in close formation. No need to get into comparisons of the sockless boat-shoe Porsche driver with the gold chain draped Corvette driver. But now, it reduces to performance, reliability, maintenance and repair costs combined with purchase price. Those who buy on the name are purchasing an image, not an automobile. Best wishes to all and may we all get the car we want!
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09-13-2018, 06:58 PM
#325
Melting Slicks
Does your hard discipline of only buying American extend past a car purchase? I highly doubt it, so what difference does it make? You are still supporting foreign trade. If you truly buy only American you are messing out on a lot of superior products in my opinion. Besides, America is probably one of the biggest melting pots of them all unless you are a Native American. Hell......dig a little, you may have connections to Germany you are unaware of😜
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09-13-2018, 07:12 PM
#326
Drifting
Well, it's kind of American, Mexican, and a whole host of other countries.... just designed and sold by an American company
At least it's largely assembled in the US but much of the stuff comes from everywhere else. If it was 100% made, sourced, and assembled in the US then it would be a pretty damned expensive car without all of the inexpensive material and global labour that goes into it.unless you have a better source, American University’s business school Kogod index in 2018 puts the Corvette as the #1 most American-made car. It’s about 70% American made by their score. Nothing gets 100% unless it’s a Model-T.
Methodology below:
- Profit Margin – This was measured based on the location of an automaker’s headquarters. If an automaker’s global headquarters is located in the US, the model receives a 6. If it is not, it receives a 0. The assumption here is that (on average), 6% of a vehicle’s value is profit margin, so if it is a U.S. automaker, the profits remain in the country.
- Labor – This category considers where the car is assembled. If a model is assembled in the US, it receives a 6. If not, the model receives a 0. We assume that approximately 6% of the vehicle’s value is labor content.
- Research and Development (R&D) – This category looks at the location of a car’s R&D activities. If the model is a product of a US company, it receives a 6. If it is the product of a foreign company but is assembled in the U.S. it receives a 3; if it is a foreign import it receives a 1.
- Inventory, Capital and other expenses – If assembly occurs in the US, the model receives an 11; if not, it receives a 0.
- Engine – If the engine is produced in the US, the model receives a 14; if not it receives a 0.
- Transmission – If the transmission is produced in the US, the model receives a 7; if not it receives a 0.
- Body, Chassis, and Electrical Components – 50 % of a vehicle’s score is assigned to this category. The AALA percentage is divided into two to derive this score.
Last edited by Parcival; 09-14-2018 at 01:19 PM.
09-13-2018, 07:25 PM
#327
Le Mans Master
I would never buy a Porsche, because I don't want to be seen in a car styled off of an upside down bath tub.
I am an American, but that has nothing to do with it.
Now, if Porsche made a road car from the 917 short tail car, then I'm all over it.
I am an American, but that has nothing to do with it.
Now, if Porsche made a road car from the 917 short tail car, then I'm all over it.
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ArmchairArchitect (09-13-2018)
09-13-2018, 07:39 PM
#328
Le Mans Master
THe german brand posche asks that the buyer bend over when ordering the car, the ridiculously expensive options and during maintance and repairs.
even my buddies who own porsches laugh at how ridiculous porsche pricing has become.
great vehicle, iconic but the pricing as mentioned above is a little over the top.
doesnt matter how much money hou have..at a certain point getting robbed is an insult.
even my buddies who own porsches laugh at how ridiculous porsche pricing has become.
great vehicle, iconic but the pricing as mentioned above is a little over the top.
doesnt matter how much money hou have..at a certain point getting robbed is an insult.
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Thank You..I'll Buy American .....
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ArmchairArchitect (09-13-2018)
09-14-2018, 12:39 AM
#331
Le Mans Master
Several people have mentioned the same thing. It would be a mistake to price it much different than the C7. They would lose a bunch of customers. People have budgets.
Last edited by Michael A; 09-14-2018 at 12:41 AM.
09-14-2018, 12:45 AM
#332
Let's assume c7 base @ 55K and C8 base @ 65K...I would be curious to which one based on price? (your criteria)
Porsche cayman base: 65K for 300ps (Porsche pricing always add 10K to base)
Alfa Romeo 4C base: 60K for 237ps
everything else I see for 2019 is way over 100K?
Porsche cayman base: 65K for 300ps (Porsche pricing always add 10K to base)
Alfa Romeo 4C base: 60K for 237ps
everything else I see for 2019 is way over 100K?
09-14-2018, 12:02 PM
#334
Let's assume c7 base @ 55K and C8 base @ 65K...I would be curious to which one based on price? (your criteria)
Porsche cayman base: 65K for 300ps (Porsche pricing always add 10K to base)
Alfa Romeo 4C base: 60K for 237ps
everything else I see for 2019 is way over 100K?
Porsche cayman base: 65K for 300ps (Porsche pricing always add 10K to base)
Alfa Romeo 4C base: 60K for 237ps
everything else I see for 2019 is way over 100K?
(Oh and I also changed all 4 brake pads on my Cayenne in 30 minutes. Easy.)
09-14-2018, 12:26 PM
#335
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Regarding the original question....
I didn't grow up dreaming of one day buying a Porsche.
Like a lot of guys my age, when I first saw a Corvette as a kid, I dreamed of one day getting one of my own. That day happened with my first Corvette 14 years ago. Now I'm on my third, my 2016 Z51 and it's the best one yet...best car I've ever had. I imagine I'll eventually step up to a C8 when the time is right although it's hard to imagine any car that looks as sharp or handles better or goes faster than the C7 in my garage right now. I did say the same about the C5 and C6 I had before I upgraded so I know it's going to happen.
In my opinion, there are two kinds of car enthusiasts; those who are die-hard Corvette fans for whom nothing else will do, and those who just want a fast, beautiful car no matter what brand it is. Nothing wrong with either side, of course...but you can count me in with the die-hard Corvette fans.
Life is good...
I didn't grow up dreaming of one day buying a Porsche.
Like a lot of guys my age, when I first saw a Corvette as a kid, I dreamed of one day getting one of my own. That day happened with my first Corvette 14 years ago. Now I'm on my third, my 2016 Z51 and it's the best one yet...best car I've ever had. I imagine I'll eventually step up to a C8 when the time is right although it's hard to imagine any car that looks as sharp or handles better or goes faster than the C7 in my garage right now. I did say the same about the C5 and C6 I had before I upgraded so I know it's going to happen.
In my opinion, there are two kinds of car enthusiasts; those who are die-hard Corvette fans for whom nothing else will do, and those who just want a fast, beautiful car no matter what brand it is. Nothing wrong with either side, of course...but you can count me in with the die-hard Corvette fans.
Life is good...
09-14-2018, 01:13 PM
#336
Le Mans Master
I have watched and lusted after Porsches and dang, I KNOW the new GT4 is an amazing car and it's not all about the power, but come on!
$80-90K for a loaded 4 cylinder! $115K+ to get a 3.8-4.0 NA Flat 6.
Sweet cars but pricing is really zany on these things.
Some will say I don't know what I'm missing but since I've tracked against some high dollar Porsches, what I'm mainly missing is about 4 seconds a lap that my base C6 goes faster than all but the highest dollar Porsches.
They are right as rain cars for sure, but they are exclusive and likely too exclusive for little 'ole me.
$80-90K for a loaded 4 cylinder! $115K+ to get a 3.8-4.0 NA Flat 6.
Sweet cars but pricing is really zany on these things.
Some will say I don't know what I'm missing but since I've tracked against some high dollar Porsches, what I'm mainly missing is about 4 seconds a lap that my base C6 goes faster than all but the highest dollar Porsches.
They are right as rain cars for sure, but they are exclusive and likely too exclusive for little 'ole me.
09-14-2018, 01:50 PM
#338
Not sure I follow. I understand you are bringing an RE that does two things fairly well: 1/4 mile and fit and finish. Are you suggesting that 80K for a used machine that does two things well is preferable to a newly designed platform that can do (conservatively) ten things well? It seems to me those two things may be overpriced?
09-14-2018, 02:01 PM
#339
Not sure I follow. I understand you are bringing an RE that does two things fairly well: 1/4 mile and fit and finish. Are you suggesting that 80K for a used machine that does two things well is preferable to a newly designed platform that can do (conservatively) ten things well? It seems to me those two things may be overpriced?
Corvette is better currently than anything in it’s price range. 911’s are a different story.
09-14-2018, 05:15 PM
#340
911s are way overblown. The C8 will destroy any Porsche upto about $150000.
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