Question-Why would someone just not buy a Porsche?
#362
I just sold my Turbo S for I didn't want to get any deeper with that thing when repairs started. I didn't confirm,but was told that rotors were 5k and a set of magnesium center lock wheels was 48k. That's just an insult to my intelligence. But it was fast.
The following users liked this post:
JerriVette (09-16-2018)
#364
911 in my area is 8% off MSRP all day long unless it’s a GT or special variant. My 15 Cayman GTS had 514 miles it was titled and returned from a customer waiting for his 911 Turbo, the GTS was MSRP 91k I walked out before tax 67k and it was CPO.
Porsche is a luxury brand Corvette on its own is too but at a lower scale. Does Porsche have cars around the Corvette MSRP sure but the dealer experience alone is like a high end steakhouse to Bonanza with Chevrolet. Sorry no horse in the race I have owned many of both products and the Porsche is higher on the luxury scale. One big thing that hurts the Corvette it’s under the Chevrolet badge. I loved my 15 Z06 but the quality of the interior was still behind my 15 Cayman GTS, both had similar MSRP 90kish.
Performance the Z slaughter the GTS it was Not even in the same league, you would need to compare it to a GT3 or GT4. I believe the new ME will close this gap, but GM will always be behind when it comes to Dealership after sales and perception. When you walk into a Porsche store the least expensive car is 55k walk into a Chevrolet dealer it’s half of that number. Okay don’t blast away as I am on the list since 1/16 and can’t wait to get my ME.
IMO cars are getting crazy expensive and Porsche has lost their minds I was at the dealer yesterday they had a new 718 Cayman S loaded up to 114k. Lol that person will loose their A when they trade that one in.
#365
Melting Slicks
If you read any Porsche forums, the upcoming 992 is not being well received. Being called the "Panamera Coupe", the car moving away from its sports car roots. Truth be told, if McClaren came out with a "stripper" car at the $100K price point, alot of the 911 faithful would now make the jump. Whether the C8 can attract some of these disaffected Porsche people is yet to be known.
#366
like any change, some support it while others don’t. It’s no different on the c7 forum with the introduction of each generation. Remember the stupid debate on the shape of the rear lights......let alone changing the position of the engine. Those that have the money can select between a ME or Porsche as they wish or have both. The fanboys will stick with their cars and think they are the best whether they are or not. Somethings never change. My opinion is, Porsche currently makes the superior car.....granted at a higher price. Porsche is the car GM also bench marks with Corvette development......which is really as far as you need to look to see what GM sees as their aspirational target.
like the perpetrated myth/untruth that GM or Corvette sees Porsche/911 as they aspirational target.
Truth is Tadge has been historically gracious to the 911 describing the car as versatile and reliable but at C6 intro Jim Mero was confronted with the direct "do you aspirationally design Corvettes to 911s?s Answer: lapsed architecture years ago..
Tadge intro C7 Q&A with C&D. Same question. Answer: C7 at idle has more torque than 911 max... next question!
Just saying,,,
#367
Melting Slicks
You are right, some things never change..
like the perpetrated myth/untruth that GM or Corvette sees Porsche/911 as they aspirational target.
Truth is Tadge has been historically gracious to the 911 describing the car as versatile and reliable but at C6 intro Jim Mero was confronted with the direct "do you aspirationally design Corvettes to 911s?s Answer: lapsed architecture years ago..
Tadge intro C7 Q&A with C&D. Same question. Answer: C7 at idle has more torque than 911 max... next question!
Just saying,,,
like the perpetrated myth/untruth that GM or Corvette sees Porsche/911 as they aspirational target.
Truth is Tadge has been historically gracious to the 911 describing the car as versatile and reliable but at C6 intro Jim Mero was confronted with the direct "do you aspirationally design Corvettes to 911s?s Answer: lapsed architecture years ago..
Tadge intro C7 Q&A with C&D. Same question. Answer: C7 at idle has more torque than 911 max... next question!
Just saying,,,
#369
Melting Slicks
I agree. The 911 is more expensive than a Corvette, as are a lot of other sports cars. I will be the first to say that the current C7 is a tremendous performance bargain, But that does not make it the better all around sports car. Think what GM could accomplish if they pushed Corvettes into the 100k-200k plus range. I personally would like to see the C8 ME step up in all around quality and increase the price as necessary. Coming from a GM family and qualifying for Employee pricing I have had a ton of GM cars. However, I never had a desire to purchase a Corvette until the C7 came out. Until then, the interiors always looked like a sea of plastic to me. I truly hope the C8 continues improving quality as well as performance....and I am sure that will occur. If so, my 911 will be for sale and I will be purchasing a ME. If not, I will purchase a new 992.
#370
911s evolved from a stripped / sports car version of a Volkswagen.
In the mid sixties I owned a Chevrolet Corvair Monza Turbo that had better suspension than a Porsche and could hold its own against them.
Porsche tried, unsuccessfully, to discontinue the 911 due to the inherent limitations of the rear engine layout. They were not successful mostly because an uninformed public continued to want them.
Within 3-4 years the 911 will be a mid engine design or it will sell in severely limited quantities to people that care much more about status than automotive design and performance.
There is an important physical difference (i.e. laws of physics difference) between a mid engine car and a rear engine car. Also, between a strut suspension vs a wishbone suspension.
In the mid sixties I owned a Chevrolet Corvair Monza Turbo that had better suspension than a Porsche and could hold its own against them.
Porsche tried, unsuccessfully, to discontinue the 911 due to the inherent limitations of the rear engine layout. They were not successful mostly because an uninformed public continued to want them.
Within 3-4 years the 911 will be a mid engine design or it will sell in severely limited quantities to people that care much more about status than automotive design and performance.
There is an important physical difference (i.e. laws of physics difference) between a mid engine car and a rear engine car. Also, between a strut suspension vs a wishbone suspension.
#371
I have had both and understand the C7 has higher torque numbers. I also know a current generation 911s will out accelerate a regular 460 hp c7 0-60 and through the quarter mile. With a top end of 190 plus the 911 more than holds its own. The only place a C7 will perhaps excel is on the track.....and then it will be a drivers race. Fit and finish is also better on the Porsche. .......and GM did buy a 911 that was used as a benchmark in developing the C7.
#372
Pro
Happy and Pissed...First, thanks for the belly laugh, second, i laughed so hard i spilled my beverage on my MAC. Sad but true!
#373
Team Owner
Member Since: Dec 2010
Location: Hillsborough NC
Posts: 21,053
Received 745 Likes
on
429 Posts
NC Events Coordinator
#374
Melting Slicks
Its my bet you will be driving a new C8. I personally don’t see the Corvette having any significant price increases. I think they would lose more clients then they would gain. 👍
#375
Maybe this : Rep from largest U.S. Porsche dealer ( Just so happens to be in ... FLORIDA ! ( SURPRISE ! )) SKIPS with 2.5 million in customer deposits ! :
https://jalopnik.com/a-rep-from-the-...ski-1829066180
j/k ....
R. J. ( Unabashed Floriduh Native )
https://jalopnik.com/a-rep-from-the-...ski-1829066180
j/k ....
R. J. ( Unabashed Floriduh Native )
Last edited by RikJamez; 09-16-2018 at 10:53 PM.
#376
Pro
Most guys who are enthusiasts buy corvettes not for the image to others but rather what the corvette offers in driving fun at a ridiculously reasonable price..
you want to impress others by all means buy or better yet lease a porsche...or ferrari or a lambo or R8...
you want to laugh your @ss off driving an amazingly fast and extremely capable sports car...buy a corvette..
for thise that simply want to impress themselves the corvette is a great choice...
nobody buys a corvette to impress others...with the exception that those that know what a corvette can do...they are already impressed with the car...
for those that are impressed with expensive things...they will never be impressed with corvettes...as they are relatively inexpensive in the world of 190 mph road rockets capable of pulling 1.0 lateral g s..accelerating to 60 mph in under four seconds etc...
decide..if you want to impress others or yourself...
if its impress yourself then buy a corvette...
if its others..lease a porsche ...
btw most girls arent impressed with porsches either...in fact cars in general in the land of leasing, sports cars mean very little to women...
they just want their gucci bag etc..
The only person most of us should impress is ourselves...
who cares what others think...and if the german or italian so called higher perceived quality is important...buy one of those other brands and we will congratulate you on your purchase...
no hard feelings...to each his own..
you want to impress others by all means buy or better yet lease a porsche...or ferrari or a lambo or R8...
you want to laugh your @ss off driving an amazingly fast and extremely capable sports car...buy a corvette..
for thise that simply want to impress themselves the corvette is a great choice...
nobody buys a corvette to impress others...with the exception that those that know what a corvette can do...they are already impressed with the car...
for those that are impressed with expensive things...they will never be impressed with corvettes...as they are relatively inexpensive in the world of 190 mph road rockets capable of pulling 1.0 lateral g s..accelerating to 60 mph in under four seconds etc...
decide..if you want to impress others or yourself...
if its impress yourself then buy a corvette...
if its others..lease a porsche ...
btw most girls arent impressed with porsches either...in fact cars in general in the land of leasing, sports cars mean very little to women...
they just want their gucci bag etc..
The only person most of us should impress is ourselves...
who cares what others think...and if the german or italian so called higher perceived quality is important...buy one of those other brands and we will congratulate you on your purchase...
no hard feelings...to each his own..
#377
Pro
That very well may be true. In reality, 0-60 and quarter times are for bragging rights for most car buyers. Very few serious racers in the aging Corvette and Porsche crowd😏. I don’t think you can dispute either car isn’t a quick and fast car by most people’s standards. A lot of hair splitting takes place on this forum as well as Rennlist. Very entertaining if you don’t get too serious about it. At the end of the day we are talking about cars. Not very damn important in the scheme of life.....at least for me it’s not!
The following 2 users liked this post by I-SPEEED:
Parcival (09-16-2018),
Telepierre (09-20-2018)
#378
Le Mans Master
911s evolved from a stripped / sports car version of a Volkswagen.
In the mid sixties I owned a Chevrolet Corvair Monza Turbo that had better suspension than a Porsche and could hold its own against them.
Porsche tried, unsuccessfully, to discontinue the 911 due to the inherent limitations of the rear engine layout. They were not successful mostly because an uninformed public continued to want them.
Within 3-4 years the 911 will be a mid engine design or it will sell in severely limited quantities to people that care much more about status than automotive design and performance.
There is an important physical difference (i.e. laws of physics difference) between a mid engine car and a rear engine car. Also, between a strut suspension vs a wishbone suspension.
In the mid sixties I owned a Chevrolet Corvair Monza Turbo that had better suspension than a Porsche and could hold its own against them.
Porsche tried, unsuccessfully, to discontinue the 911 due to the inherent limitations of the rear engine layout. They were not successful mostly because an uninformed public continued to want them.
Within 3-4 years the 911 will be a mid engine design or it will sell in severely limited quantities to people that care much more about status than automotive design and performance.
There is an important physical difference (i.e. laws of physics difference) between a mid engine car and a rear engine car. Also, between a strut suspension vs a wishbone suspension.
The following users liked this post:
PurpleLion (09-17-2018)
#379
I had a 911, just bought ‘19 GS. I’m much more comfortable getting thumbs up instead of the single digit salute....and the classic vinyl station on satellite is a much better match to the Corvette persona, just sayin.
#380
911s evolved from a stripped / sports car version of a Volkswagen.
In the mid sixties I owned a Chevrolet Corvair Monza Turbo that had better suspension than a Porsche and could hold its own against them.
Porsche tried, unsuccessfully, to discontinue the 911 due to the inherent limitations of the rear engine layout. They were not successful mostly because an uninformed public continued to want them.
Within 3-4 years the 911 will be a mid engine design or it will sell in severely limited quantities to people that care much more about status than automotive design and performance.
There is an important physical difference (i.e. laws of physics difference) between a mid engine car and a rear engine car. Also, between a strut suspension vs a wishbone suspension.
In the mid sixties I owned a Chevrolet Corvair Monza Turbo that had better suspension than a Porsche and could hold its own against them.
Porsche tried, unsuccessfully, to discontinue the 911 due to the inherent limitations of the rear engine layout. They were not successful mostly because an uninformed public continued to want them.
Within 3-4 years the 911 will be a mid engine design or it will sell in severely limited quantities to people that care much more about status than automotive design and performance.
There is an important physical difference (i.e. laws of physics difference) between a mid engine car and a rear engine car. Also, between a strut suspension vs a wishbone suspension.
First, there is no debate a ME is likely a better platform than a RE car. However, tell the folks lapping the 'Ring in their GT2 RS that they don't care about design or performance. The GT3 and GT2 are pretty much at the top of the performance spectrum. Could Porsche accomplish even more with a ME car? Sure but let's not engage in silliness here by suggesting a 911 isn't an incredibly capable car. IIRC, the GT2 RS laps the 'Ring faster than a ZR1. Yes, it's more expensive but it's also more capable. You are talking about RE cars from 20 years ago... not modern 911's.
Maybe a 911 will morph into a ME (or maybe the Cayman will replace it... but very unlikely) but Porsche still has a bit a breathing room with their 6:47 laptime until maybe the C8 Z has a chance to catch up or best it.
Last edited by gthal; 09-17-2018 at 12:55 AM.