Question-Why would someone just not buy a Porsche?
#821
Team Owner
People putting down Porsche because they can and get away with charging high prices for factory options while at the same time praise a free market economy.....oh the irony.
#822
If GM can deliver a mid engine V8 for current entry level C7 pricing I think it will be a game changer, I can't think of anyone in recent memory that has offered that performance at that price point.
#823
Mclaren's are amazing machines! And relatively easy to drive at limits. I would not put a Porsche in the same breath as a McLaren! If so, then a Corvette should be there as well. I don't care how many super limited over-priced variants of the 911 Porsche brings out. The McLaren looks exotic and like a $250K+ car and the 911 looks like a $100K car and I'm being generous when I say that.
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ByByBMW (12-16-2018)
#824
the problem with McLaren are Deprecation... they are incredible cars but they lose value faster then any car. I just lost 60 grand in 5 months of ownership! Next time I’m buying used!
#825
M5 has the same lack of torque problem the 911s have.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...m5-test-review
Zero to 60 mph: 2.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 3.7 sec
Vettes lose some from 5-60 too, but about half as bad as these.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...m5-test-review
Zero to 60 mph: 2.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 3.7 sec
Vettes lose some from 5-60 too, but about half as bad as these.
#826
I was in the same boat I thought these exotic manufacturers were just charging more because people were suckers and the wanted the name of the car ...... that’s very wrong the extra money goes for all the extra engineering they put into the car!
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ArmchairArchitect (12-16-2018)
#828
sure because apple car play cost 800$ of engineering while all the other car manufacturer offer it for free.
#829
#831
#832
Anyway, back to reality; interesting and recent article of how the "lowly" Ford Mustang has surpassed in sales the 911 (once the leader in the sector in Germany and Europe - now fourth...).
It is in German so some of you may need to get out of your "safe places" but there is always google translate...
https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...d-mustang.html
#833
P.S - still awaiting for 911 real people 1/4 mile times...
#834
Le Mans Master
Did not read the entire tread.
Labor repair costs
Ease of repairs
Perceived Porsche owner (and dealer) stereotypes
Purchase/ resale/ parts costs
Nation pride
There's a few true answers I suppose.
For me, new 911 or Cayman are just not easy to DIY wrench on, so I don't consider.
Porsche are good cars though.
Labor repair costs
Ease of repairs
Perceived Porsche owner (and dealer) stereotypes
Purchase/ resale/ parts costs
Nation pride
There's a few true answers I suppose.
For me, new 911 or Cayman are just not easy to DIY wrench on, so I don't consider.
Porsche are good cars though.
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ArmchairArchitect (12-16-2018)
#835
They will not, have not, or never will have a mid engine corvette for 60k. Sorry. Should have went to a better college.
#836
Pro
It’s going to be a great world class car, so there is no way that GM can or will price the C8 at the entry level price of a C7. There are at least two factors in play: the R&D of the ME design and all of the new systems it will require, and secondly, the demand for a hot new design, evidenced by the impatient buyers in this forum..
Because GM simply has to make more money on its “halo” vehicles, I suspect there may be more differences between the base and higher priced iterations of the C8 and the options will be conisderbaly higher cost than in the C7. GM make its money on its mos popular vehicles, especially the trucks. Because of demand. Who ever thought dressed out Tahoe’s and Yukon’s would be in them $90k stratosphere? And the same vehicle with a Caddy emblem on it can break six figures. Thank you soccer moms!
And, regarding eh apply play... while Porsche offers an uber high end audio system, GM offers only the mediocre Bose. Remember the age old question (not neccesarily applicable to cars with run flats) ... Why did my $50k GM car come with a cheap $10 jack? Because GM was out of $5 jacks.
Because GM simply has to make more money on its “halo” vehicles, I suspect there may be more differences between the base and higher priced iterations of the C8 and the options will be conisderbaly higher cost than in the C7. GM make its money on its mos popular vehicles, especially the trucks. Because of demand. Who ever thought dressed out Tahoe’s and Yukon’s would be in them $90k stratosphere? And the same vehicle with a Caddy emblem on it can break six figures. Thank you soccer moms!
And, regarding eh apply play... while Porsche offers an uber high end audio system, GM offers only the mediocre Bose. Remember the age old question (not neccesarily applicable to cars with run flats) ... Why did my $50k GM car come with a cheap $10 jack? Because GM was out of $5 jacks.
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ByByBMW (12-16-2018)
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Try this link I gave you, there is a "real people" reported 0-60 time of 2.8 secs in it.. But maybe more importantly is the civility in a Porsche forum about the Corvette. Nothing like the misinformation and harshness that one finds here on CF. There is respect there for the Corvette, but also some truths that have been mentioned right here on CF. But be careful, there are folks on reenlist that are also members here, myself included. Lastly, there are "real people" 0-60 times for 911's out there, YOU just have to do your research yourself, I found one using just my first google result. But I'll help, using a different search query this came up, (It's not real people though so I expect you will diss this) https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicl...-60-mph-times/
Merry Christmas.
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Merry Christmas.
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#839
Melting Slicks
Try this link I gave you, there is a "real people" reported 0-60 time of 2.8 secs in it.. But maybe more importantly is the civility in a Porsche forum about the Corvette. Nothing like the misinformation and harshness that one finds here on CF. There is respect there for the Corvette, but also some truths that have been mentioned right here on CF. But be careful, there are folks on reenlist that are also members here, myself included. Lastly, there are "real people" 0-60 times for 911's out there, YOU just have to do your research yourself, I found one using just my first google result. But I'll help, using a different search query this came up, (It's not real people though so I expect you will diss this) https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicl...-60-mph-times/
Merry Christmas.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1109051-thinking-of-going-from-a-2018-z06-auto-to-a-19-base-911-with-pdk-6.html
Merry Christmas.
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Cheers
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I remember in the 80's and 90's seeing that car Indy and then the CERV III. Still holds up. However it wasn't a production car. Cool concept if they released it as shown it would look much different then the rest of the ME cars out today too.
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