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Old 12-15-2018, 10:12 PM
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People putting down Porsche because they can and get away with charging high prices for factory options while at the same time praise a free market economy.....oh the irony.
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If GM can deliver a mid engine V8 for current entry level C7 pricing I think it will be a game changer, I can't think of anyone in recent memory that has offered that performance at that price point.
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Originally Posted by DaveFerrari458
Mclaren's are amazing machines! And relatively easy to drive at limits. I would not put a Porsche in the same breath as a McLaren! If so, then a Corvette should be there as well. I don't care how many super limited over-priced variants of the 911 Porsche brings out. The McLaren looks exotic and like a $250K+ car and the 911 looks like a $100K car and I'm being generous when I say that.
Well you know what they say about opinions..... and I personally think my new gt3rs looks a lot more bad *** then my 570s did ..... and drives way better much more fun when you don’t have to wait for the turbos to spool up! The engine is a masterpiece just like the last great corvette the c6z06!
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Old 12-15-2018, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JerriVette
Buy a mclaren 570 instead of the porsche 911 4s with options...once your up in and around a hundred and fifty...just splurge for the extra to get the 570...


ALl said the c8 will be awesome ...
the problem with McLaren are Deprecation... they are incredible cars but they lose value faster then any car. I just lost 60 grand in 5 months of ownership! Next time I’m buying used!
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Old 12-15-2018, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pdiddy972
M5 has the same lack of torque problem the 911s have.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...m5-test-review

Zero to 60 mph: 2.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 3.7 sec

Vettes lose some from 5-60 too, but about half as bad as these.
the problem is the way these engine works it’s very simple .... super charger vs turbo!
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Old 12-15-2018, 11:29 PM
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I was in the same boat I thought these exotic manufacturers were just charging more because people were suckers and the wanted the name of the car ...... that’s very wrong the extra money goes for all the extra engineering they put into the car!
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Originally Posted by ZishanM
If GM can deliver a mid engine V8 for current entry level C7 pricing I think it will be a game changer, I can't think of anyone in recent memory that has offered that performance at that price point.
What performance? Mid-engine doesn't equate to performance. If it did, the $200K NSX would beat a $92K Corvette Grand Sport, but it doesn't.
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Old 12-15-2018, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by nunii
I was in the same boat I thought these exotic manufacturers were just charging more because people were suckers and the wanted the name of the car ...... that’s very wrong the extra money goes for all the extra engineering they put into the car!
sure because apple car play cost 800$ of engineering while all the other car manufacturer offer it for free.
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Old 12-15-2018, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Fogboundturtle


sure because apple car play cost 800$ of engineering while all the other car manufacturer offer it for free.
just checked my sticker and I guess it was a free option on my Porsche! My m3 cost me $250 and I would pay 800 if McLaren offered it!
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Originally Posted by nunii

just checked my sticker and I guess it was a free option on my Porsche! My m3 cost me $250 and I would pay 800 if McLaren offered it!
lucky you. It was 800$ on the 718 cayman S
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Originally Posted by themonk
People putting down Porsche because they can and get away with charging high prices for factory options while at the same time praise a free market economy.....oh the irony.
Ironic indeed and who says they are getting away with it!?....the CF Porsche committee? Another example of portraying 911 "facts" that are not?

Anyway, back to reality; interesting and recent article of how the "lowly" Ford Mustang has surpassed in sales the 911 (once the leader in the sector in Germany and Europe - now fourth...).
It is in German so some of you may need to get out of your "safe places" but there is always google translate...

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...d-mustang.html



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Old 12-16-2018, 06:16 AM
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P.S - still awaiting for 911 real people 1/4 mile times...
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Old 12-16-2018, 07:24 AM
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Did not read the entire tread.
Labor repair costs
Ease of repairs
Perceived Porsche owner (and dealer) stereotypes
Purchase/ resale/ parts costs
Nation pride

There's a few true answers I suppose.
For me, new 911 or Cayman are just not easy to DIY wrench on, so I don't consider.
Porsche are good cars though.
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Old 12-16-2018, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ZishanM
If GM can deliver a mid engine V8 for current entry level C7 pricing I think it will be a game changer, I can't think of anyone in recent memory that has offered that performance at that price point.
They will not, have not, or never will have a mid engine corvette for 60k. Sorry. Should have went to a better college.
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Old 12-16-2018, 10:04 AM
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It’s going to be a great world class car, so there is no way that GM can or will price the C8 at the entry level price of a C7. There are at least two factors in play: the R&D of the ME design and all of the new systems it will require, and secondly, the demand for a hot new design, evidenced by the impatient buyers in this forum..

Because GM simply has to make more money on its “halo” vehicles, I suspect there may be more differences between the base and higher priced iterations of the C8 and the options will be conisderbaly higher cost than in the C7. GM make its money on its mos popular vehicles, especially the trucks. Because of demand. Who ever thought dressed out Tahoe’s and Yukon’s would be in them $90k stratosphere? And the same vehicle with a Caddy emblem on it can break six figures. Thank you soccer moms!

And, regarding eh apply play... while Porsche offers an uber high end audio system, GM offers only the mediocre Bose. Remember the age old question (not neccesarily applicable to cars with run flats) ... Why did my $50k GM car come with a cheap $10 jack? Because GM was out of $5 jacks.
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Old 12-16-2018, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Telepierre
P.S - still awaiting for 911 real people 1/4 mile times...
Try this link I gave you, there is a "real people" reported 0-60 time of 2.8 secs in it.. But maybe more importantly is the civility in a Porsche forum about the Corvette. Nothing like the misinformation and harshness that one finds here on CF. There is respect there for the Corvette, but also some truths that have been mentioned right here on CF. But be careful, there are folks on reenlist that are also members here, myself included. Lastly, there are "real people" 0-60 times for 911's out there, YOU just have to do your research yourself, I found one using just my first google result. But I'll help, using a different search query this came up, (It's not real people though so I expect you will diss this) https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicl...-60-mph-times/
Merry Christmas.

https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1109051-thinking-of-going-from-a-2018-z06-auto-to-a-19-base-911-with-pdk-6.html

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Old 12-16-2018, 10:25 AM
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I wonder if James Dean could answer your question if he drove a corvette.
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Old 12-16-2018, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ByByBMW
Try this link I gave you, there is a "real people" reported 0-60 time of 2.8 secs in it.. But maybe more importantly is the civility in a Porsche forum about the Corvette. Nothing like the misinformation and harshness that one finds here on CF. There is respect there for the Corvette, but also some truths that have been mentioned right here on CF. But be careful, there are folks on reenlist that are also members here, myself included. Lastly, there are "real people" 0-60 times for 911's out there, YOU just have to do your research yourself, I found one using just my first google result. But I'll help, using a different search query this came up, (It's not real people though so I expect you will diss this) https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicl...-60-mph-times/
Merry Christmas.

https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1109051-thinking-of-going-from-a-2018-z06-auto-to-a-19-base-911-with-pdk-6.html
I believe demographics plays some role in this. Not because there aren’t plenty of rude, offensive and combative people with money, but rather due to the fact they have the means to buy something more expensive than a Corvette should they desire. Therefore eliminating some of the jealous rock throwing crowd that would love to have a higher end marquee if they could afford it. (Feel free to add any number of higher end cars to this list of possibilities). Therefore, I believe the pure function of “ real” choice helps to reduce the potential for hate since many of these car lovers can have both and much more should they wish. In summary, any buyer of a new 911 could buy a new Corvette, while not every Corvette owner can purchase a new 911. Granted their is always the used market, but with that comes higher maintenance costs that many really can’t afford as well. As a result, money allows for a greater range of choice. It will be easy to see who the jealous rock throwers are by observing the responses to this post. BTW......this is the same reason why more Mustangs, Camaros and other inexpensive cars are purchased as compared to Corvettes, Porsche’s, Ferrari’s, etc. As with the Mustang and Camaro buyers, it’s a simple function of what they can afford, not necessarily desire or want. Don’t you think a majority of those buyers wouldn’t give their left nut to have a new Corvette, Porsche, Ferrari or a $500,000 Ford sports car? I know I would.

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Old 12-16-2018, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by sstonebreaker
No, it's last BROTHER was this:
I remember in the 80's and 90's seeing that car Indy and then the CERV III. Still holds up. However it wasn't a production car. Cool concept if they released it as shown it would look much different then the rest of the ME cars out today too.

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