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Old 08-29-2018, 02:11 PM
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Default Why not a mid engine AWD C8 instead of just rear wheel drive?

Since all the c8 spy shots make it seem like a mid engine car with a rear drive platform im wondering if they are competing with the euro elite cars why not make the car AWD. One thing we learnt from the new ZR1 is that there are certain limits to a rear wheel drive car that cant be overcome simply by adding more horsepower. The AWD system would make it much better at launching the car and put it right in line with the Aventador SV with its mid engine AWD design.
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I have no interest.

It is heavier. It is more expensive. It will be more prone to needing repairs. It is completely unneeded at the 500hp level.
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Originally Posted by NY09C6
I have no interest.

It is heavier. It is more expensive. It will be more prone to needing repairs. It is completely unneeded at the 500hp level.
Exactly. To go even further look at McLaren the 720S from the factory is putting down some serious power they are putting down close to 700 at the wheels and they hook up and run in the high 9s in the quarter.
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I know some people don't like the motor trend videos (and the newer ones are behind a paywall with a crappy video player) but this video on the RWD Huracan shows why AWD comes with disadvantages.


I linked to where he talks about the difference between the -4 and the -2 but the whole video is great (IMO).
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I, personally, want the 2WD version. There is so much more driver involvement with 2WD than with any 4WD or AWD.
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I just sold my Audi R8. All-wheel drive adds weight, complexity & cost to the car. Reason GM is going to a mid-engine from the FE is to overcome the disadvantage of front engine high power cars. High power front engine rear wheel drive cars are fun if you enjoy spinning & buying tires.

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To answer the OP's post...REAL Sportscars are RWD.
That's all I have to say about that.*


* Forrest Gump (1994)
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Originally Posted by rgregory
Exactly. To go even further look at McLaren the 720S from the factory is putting down some serious power they are putting down close to 700 at the wheels and they hook up and run in the high 9s in the quarter.
That car is a freaking beast. The C8 Z06 needs to aspire to this car's performance. It grips well out of the hole and pulls very hard up top.
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IMO we'll see RWD only and when hybrid is introduced it will be integrated into power unit similar to what is currently used in F1 race cars and past McLaren P1 roadcar...as opposed to individual electric motors to drive front wheels.
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Originally Posted by NY09C6
I have no interest.

It is heavier. It is more expensive. It will be more prone to needing repairs. It is completely unneeded at the 500hp level.

I'd kinda like to have the awd.. but I know to each his own.... did you see the article today on new caddy 4.2 (500 and 550hp versions)... do you think Vette would want to top those numbers?

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/03/21/...c-ct6-v-sport/
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I think we will see some sort of hybrid AWD version. No basis for thought, but just my gut feel.
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Originally Posted by WhiteDiamond
I think we will see some sort of hybrid AWD version. No basis for thought, but just my gut feel.
Maybe,
But it seems I’ll be getting served first,with an entry model.
I hope everyone else gets what they want as well.
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Originally Posted by NemesisC5
IMO we'll see RWD only and when hybrid is introduced it will be integrated into power unit similar to what is currently used in F1 race cars and past McLaren P1 roadcar...as opposed to individual electric motors to drive front wheels.
The LaFerrari was built that way too.

Originally Posted by WhiteDiamond
I think we will see some sort of hybrid AWD version. No basis for thought, but just my gut feel.
There really is no engineering need for an AWD Hybrid.
Getting all of the weight off the front end with the ME design will make driving a wonderful thing....why screw that up by putting the weight back on?

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Originally Posted by bebezote
I'd kinda like to have the awd.. but I know to each his own.... did you see the article today on new caddy 4.2 (500 and 550hp versions)... do you think Vette would want to top those numbers?

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/03/21/...c-ct6-v-sport/
I am sure they will with an optional engine. The engine order data and leaked CAD seem to indicate at least one version of the ME will have a NA pushrod engine similar to the LT1 in the c7. If that holds true I do not see this engine out powering the 4.2TT. But others surely will.
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Originally Posted by ColoradoGS
I know some people don't like the motor trend videos (and the newer ones are behind a paywall with a crappy video player) but this video on the RWD Huracan shows why AWD comes with disadvantages.

https://youtu.be/r4psQ1wLa9c?t=1m28s

I linked to where he talks about the difference between the -4 and the -2 but the whole video is great (IMO).
Nice video. I wish they would make a 2wd Performante version on a track it would be even faster than the AWD version.

A very popular modification to the Huracan's predecessor is to remove the AWD system.
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Originally Posted by bebezote
I'd kinda like to have the awd.. but I know to each his own.... did you see the article today on new caddy 4.2 (500 and 550hp versions)... do you think Vette would want to top those numbers?

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/03/21/...c-ct6-v-sport/
New ME will have at least 2 powerplant options (unknown at this time) however a definite yes IMO. The same basic architecture will be utilized in ME however it's speculated ME powerplant will be 5.5L displacement as opposed to 4.2L displacement in the Cadillac. If so I expect the ME DOHC V8's will turn higher rpm's although utilizing same cross plane crankshaft as opposed to sometimes rumored flat plane crankshaft.

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No need tp respond to this one as the real car enthusiasts' laid it out pretty clearly.

Great points guys!
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Originally Posted by sunsalem
The LaFerrari was built that way too.

There really is no engineering need for an AWD Hybrid.
Getting all of the weight off the front end with the ME design will make driving a wonderful thing....why screw that up by putting the weight back on?
It would be hard for me to accept a position in which hybrid AWD systems will not surpass todays supercars in terms of track performance. Technology continues the march forward and the Acura NSX as some very interesting behavior in some situations. This technology will continue to be developed and there are several different ways to deliver hybrid/electric power the front wheels and keep weight point correct. The only problem I believe that really exists is the battery issue. There is a solution and it will come someday. Maybe not during the C8 run, though, so the reason I say it is a feeling I have but nothing to support it.

PS: The one thing I think GM engineers do a crappy job at is vehicle weight.....With that said, I have no comment on your position. GM will put weight on it for a window lift, if they feel like it........

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Originally Posted by desibaba
Since all the c8 spy shots make it seem like a mid engine car with a rear drive platform im wondering if they are competing with the euro elite cars why not make the car AWD. One thing we learnt from the new ZR1 is that there are certain limits to a rear wheel drive car that cant be overcome simply by adding more horsepower. The AWD system would make it much better at launching the car and put it right in line with the Aventador SV with its mid engine AWD design.
may as well save your breath...i've been advocating awd as option for a long time.
there is a 911 then there is the Porsche 911 awd turbo



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