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Here is my guess at what the C8 Corvette might look like. That scoop on the side will not look that busy. I think there are a couple fake panel elements right now.
Photo Credit goes to Motor Authority
Nice work!
I think the forward leaning top leading edge of the scoop are real.
The evidence is seen in the black tarp camo mules and also the c8R style scoop.
Your design is nice but the evidence seems to say it has the upper scoop lip on the door as you can see a driver using the hidden door latch under the lip in the Ring pics.
I think the forward leaning top leading edge of the scoop are real.
The evidence is seen in the black tarp camo mules and also the c8R style scoop.
Your design is nice but the evidence seems to say it has the upper scoop lip on the door as you can see a driver using the hidden door latch under the lip in the Ring pics.
I think the forward leaning top leading edge of the scoop are real.
The evidence is seen in the black tarp camo mules and also the c8R style scoop.
Your design is nice but the evidence seems to say it has the upper scoop lip on the door as you can see a driver using the hidden door latch under the lip in the Ring pics.
i totally agree with your assessment because it’s not based on Camo alone but is supported by a series of pictures of the actual action of someone opening the door. This is why I only show 1/2 his ME depiction. His scoop is not supported by all the evidence.
Never been a fan of Pinafarina design in general. But now. Answer the question. Do you really anticipate this rear has any potential to be world class good looking?
Yes, I do. The C8 isn't a flat -***. You base all you observations on 2d pictures of a camo'd car. The C7 looks rather clunky from some angles in photographs (the roofline in particular), yet it is stunning in person.
I get it. You don't like it. Don't buy one. I guess, though that this gives you another opportunity to lecture the forum on our collective bad taste.
Never been a fan of Pinafarina design in general. But now. Answer the question. Do you really anticipate this rear has any potential to be world class good looking?
Pininfarina is arguably the great automotive design studio ever.
Going back over a half century with designs like
Ferrari 250GTB
Ferrari 275 GTB
Alfa Romeo Spyder
Fiat Dino
Ferrari 430
Ferrari 458
These are just to name a few there are countless other.
The Ferrari 250GTB just sold at auction for a record 48 million so I guess it safe to say that VERY educated car collectors hold Pininfarina design in high esteem.
I know these thing are subjective.
I just don't get why your doing post after post on a car that you already decided you do not like the design?
It's clear you love the C7 so I hope for your sake that GM continues to produce a front engine GT.
I personally think no one can at this point make a informed decision as to if the Mid engine will be a world class design.
I have faith that it will be due to the past generation of Covertte. But I can not give a 100% affirmation at this point as the car is still hide under camouflage designed to not show of its best features.
Yes, I do. The C8 isn't a flat -***. You base all you observations on 2d pictures of a camo'd car. The C7 looks rather clunky from some angles in photographs (the roofline in particular), yet it is stunning in person.
I get it. You don't like it. Don't buy one. I guess, though that this gives you another opportunity to lecture the forum on our collective bad taste.
No. You don't get it... It's not about "liking" it
Originally Posted by Steve Snake Driver
Yes, I do. The C8 isn't a flat -***. You base all you observations on 2d pictures of a camo'd car. The C7 looks rather clunky from some angles in photographs (the roofline in particular), yet it is stunning in person.
I get it. You don't like it. Don't buy one. I guess, though that this gives you another opportunity to lecture the forum on our collective bad taste.
You're correct that I am not "liking" what I'm seeing in the C8 design so far. But my personal preferences are NOT what troubles me about it.
What REALLY bothers me is that I can't discern what the design goals were. I can't see any connection to product positioning or brand. I don't see any attempt to make any kind of design statement that says "differentiation," "world-class," "category leader," or even "heritage."
If it appeared they were trying to make some kind of coherent, bold, world-class design statement--I would be impressed and supportive despite my personal preferences. But I ain't seein' that. AT ALL.
Even worse, the design thus far appears to me to lack integration in the extreme. IMHO it smacks of "design by committee." Again, just my opinion----no question I could be wrong--but I have a long history in design management; my Spidey Senses are tingling.
I'm not lecturing anybody on their taste. To each his or her own. Taste is not subject to popular vote. But I do note that so far, the reaction on this forum is overwhelmingly negative.
I've seen a ton of renders that focused on the front of the car, but I am really interested what the rear really looks like. Everyone is saying it looks like a Camaro but honestly I think it will look a lot different when its revealed. Maybe someone with photoshop knowledge can make take a jab?
I mean, its what Porsches and Ferraris will be seeing
Why does EVERY render, ... fail to show the very obvious fact that the lower corner vents on either side of the car ... WRAP AROUND much like the tail lights wrap around? It's clear to see on the red rear bumper in the paint shop. I know the later shown CAD drawing doesn't show it, .. but what are you going to trust, a drawing ...or your "lying eyes"? The vents curve around the sides of the rear bumper!
You're correct that I am not "liking" what I'm seeing in the C8 design so far. But my personal preferences are NOT what troubles me about it.
What REALLY bothers me is that I can't discern what the design goals were. I can't see any connection to product positioning or brand. I don't see any attempt to make any kind of design statement that says "differentiation," "world-class," "category leader," or even "heritage."
If it appeared they were trying to make some kind of coherent, bold, world-class design statement--I would be impressed and supportive despite my personal preferences. But I ain't seein' that. AT ALL.
Even worse, the design thus far appears to me to lack integration in the extreme. IMHO it smacks of "design by committee." Again, just my opinion----no question I could be wrong--but I have a long history in design management; my Spidey Senses are tingling.
I'm not lecturing anybody on their taste. To each his or her own. Taste is not subject to popular vote. But I do note that so far, the reaction on this forum is overwhelmingly negative.
You live in your own world, truly.
First off, your opinion that the design lacks cohesiveness is way off the mark. The design elements all flow together and mirror or reflect upon one another quite well. The design language is apparent and consistent.
You say you are a design manager by profession and admittedly do not possess any artistic talents yourself but are superior in your assessment of what is and is not "good design". All this means is your a talking head that holds burdensome, stubborn opinions despite people demonstrating to you why your comments and your observations aren't fully warranted.
As I've stated before, I do industrial design, design management and product development. I have to stand in front of executive committees to sell my designs and concepts, both functionally and aesthetically. My ability to articulate and communicate design languages is key in my job to people who have ill-developed sense of design taste. I have to convince people to trust my design direction. I also have to sit there and take criticism and feedback, look outside my own head and understand the interpretations and reactions of others.This is my field of expertise as well and you and I stand at polar opposites on this matter which is hilarious because you have already decided to not even give it a chance based upon well-concealed prototypes.
Yet, you speak as if you think nobody at any point during this process on their design team didn't say "Hold on a second, this doesn't seem right".
I am 100% sure that from the earliest stages of conceptualization to the release for mfg of the body panel toolings, the design was heavily analyzed and scrutinized until the core design team and the executives at GM were exceptionally satisfied with the design direction.
Your opinion that they apparently had no product design definition and aren't trying to make a statement is way off he mark.
How you comment about how the C8.R looks amazing but the street version is a catastrophic mess is so laughable that words don't exist to describe how absurd and ludicrous a position that is. "This car with ultra-wide fenders looks amazing, bu the exact same car without cartoonish fender flares looks horrible" That's not even a logical nor rational position. It's the exact same designed car, with possibly the exception of bringing the hood height down a bit lower.
Further, your assessment that the reaction here thus far is overwhelmingly negative isn't remotely accurate either. Most people currently sit at the "Wait until I see the final design revealed" or "It has potential". That's not negative at all, never mind "overwhelmingly negative".
I dont think the C8R looks like the base version C8 in its current state - I would buy a C8R in a heart beat - if the base version looks remotely like it does at the moment - I'm all set not impressed
The arrows in the two pics clearly show the corners of the two pieces are NOT the same. The Camo Car is wearing disguised cover pieces to alter the look of the corner vent areas.
First off, your opinion that the design lacks cohesiveness is way off the mark. The design elements all flow together and mirror or reflect upon one another quite well. The design language is apparent and consistent.
You say you are a design manager by profession and admittedly do not possess any artistic talents yourself but are superior in your assessment of what is and is not "good design". All this means is your a talking head that holds burdensome, stubborn opinions despite people demonstrating to you why your comments and your observations aren't fully warranted.
As I've stated before, I do industrial design, design management and product development. I have to stand in front of executive committees to sell my designs and concepts, both functionally and aesthetically. My ability to articulate and communicate design languages is key in my job to people who have ill-developed sense of design taste. I have to convince people to trust my design direction. I also have to sit there and take criticism and feedback, look outside my own head and understand the interpretations and reactions of others.This is my field of expertise as well and you and I stand at polar opposites on this matter which is hilarious because you have already decided to not even give it a chance based upon well-concealed prototypes.
Yet, you speak as if you think nobody at any point during this process on their design team didn't say "Hold on a second, this doesn't seem right".
I am 100% sure that from the earliest stages of conceptualization to the release for mfg of the body panel toolings, the design was heavily analyzed and scrutinized until the core design team and the executives at GM were exceptionally satisfied with the design direction.
Your opinion that they apparently had no product design definition and aren't trying to make a statement is way off he mark.
How you comment about how the C8.R looks amazing but the street version is a catastrophic mess is so laughable that words don't exist to describe how absurd and ludicrous a position that is. "This car with ultra-wide fenders looks amazing, bu the exact same car without cartoonish fender flares looks horrible" That's not even a logical nor rational position. It's the exact same designed car, with possibly the exception of bringing the hood height down a bit lower.
Further, your assessment that the reaction here thus far is overwhelmingly negative isn't remotely accurate either. Most people currently sit at the "Wait until I see the final design revealed or "It has potential". That's not negative at all, never mind "overwhelmingly negative".
While we face similar professional challenges, we disagree 180 degrees on the direction of C8 design we've seen to date. Ironic especially in that your pencil sketch render is far more coherent than what we're seeing now.
I suggest you review the responses to the design across multiple threads; we also disagree on that point. We also disagree on the C8.R. However, the C8.R does illustrate VIVIDLY how even relatively subtle design changes can make a huge difference to the eye's perception.
And wow. If what we're seeing so far in the C8 design is "cohesive, consistent, and flowing," you and I are not going to find much common ground. What I'm seeing is a chaotic mess. And I strongly suspect the fake panels and camo you tout are only hiding even more chaos.
While we face similar professional challenges, we disagree 180 degrees on the direction of C8 design we've seen to date. Ironic especially in that your pencil sketch render is far more coherent than what we're seeing now.
I suggest you review the responses to the design across multiple threads; we also disagree on that point. We also disagree on the C8.R. However, the C8.R does illustrate VIVIDLY how even relatively subtle design changes can make a huge difference to the eye's perception.
And wow. If what we're seeing so far in the C8 design is "cohesive, consistent, and flowing," you and I are not going to find much common ground. What I'm seeing is a chaotic mess. And I strongly suspect the fake panels and camo you tout are only hiding even more chaos.
We'll see.
Good lord, it's in camo, fake **** on it too. Ya cant possibly be 100% in you hate, err dislike cause that's not the final product. Lol.
I do find it a bit entertaining that people need to spout off about their supposed expertise to try to prove somebody else’s opinion wrong. I honestly don’t care if you’re a design expert or a grocery bagger at Whole Foods, your opinion is no more valuable than anyone else’s. And unless I’m not mistaken, every vehicle produced has a design team that consults on the vehicle they are going to produce & yet somehow there are some ugly *** cars out there. So to think that for a minute the Covette design team is somehow incapable of producing an ugly car or a design that doesn’t flow just right is ignorant.
Lastly, if I’m not mistaken the title of this thread is “what do yall think the rear will look like exactly” which in and of itself asks for opinions”. I don’t have to be a world-wide design expert to have an opinion that something looks like dog poop.
I do find it a bit entertaining that people need to spout off about their supposed expertise to try to prove somebody else’s opinion wrong. I honestly don’t care if you’re a design expert or a grocery bagger at Whole Foods, your opinion is no valuable than anyone else’s. And unless I’m not mistaken, every vehicle produced has a design team that consults on the vehicle they are going to produce & yet somehow there are some ugly *** cars out there. So to think that for a minute the Covette design team is somehow incapable of producing an ugly car or a design that doesn’t flow just right is ignorant.
Lastly, if I’m not mistaken the title of this thread is “what do yall think the rear will look like exactly” which in and of itself asks for opinions”. I don’t have to be a world-wide design expert to have an opinion that something looks like dog poop.
Can they monkey this up, for sure, I'm just thinking deciding it is a mess at this point is a bit premature.
Good lord, it's in camo, fake **** on it too. Ya cant possibly be 100% in you hate, err dislike cause that's not the final product. Lol.
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I have REPEATEDLY disclaimed my " right-ness ." Maybe the thing will be beautiful. The C8.R certainly suggests that possibility. And OF COURSE, it would be ridiculous to make a final judgment without seeing the real, unadorned deal. All of my thoughts are PURE SPECULATION.
But I'm not going to sit here and be a cheerleader when my professional instincts are telling me otherwise. I love the Corvette. I think it's consistently been the best overall car in the world. IN THE WORLD when one factors in all the values. And from an engineering and packaging standpoint, nothing else is close.
But loyalty to the brand is not served by blind support. I've been down this design road before. I hope I'm wrong, truly, but experience and instincts tell me otherwise.
Thanks everyone for all the feedback on the renders. Firstvettesoon and C7pimp, I went back and really looked at a bunch of the spy shots. Here is the latest render I did based on the information about the scoop with the top leading edge on the door. Now, I can see that scoop being real. I think we are getting close. Remember in automotive design a few millimeters can make a huge difference in the overall details. These next few months will be very cool!
09-10-2018, 01:24 PM
