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Old 10-06-2018, 05:55 PM
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Take the Fiero and Corvair out of the conversation!! They are not relevant any longer!! Corporations, like people, do learn from experience. Have a look at the 2019 ZR1 and the camo'd C8 to see what to expect from Corvette in the future. Fresh and exciting designs and powerful engines resulting in fast cars. Affordable?? That is relative to what options you put on the car. 4 tires and a steering wheel will raise the prices of the new vehicles beyond the common concept of affordable.
From what I've seen of the ME, I am not excited. It looks chunky and antiquated, like an '80s C4. The Caddy twin turbo V8 is very powerful and torquey so a refreshed C7 would be very fast compared to the current base engine models. I don't want to spend Porsche money for a Corvette.
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
From what I've seen of the ME, I am not excited. It looks chunky and antiquated, like an '80s C4. The Caddy twin turbo V8 is very powerful and torquey so a refreshed C7 would be very fast compared to the current base engine models. I don't want to spend Porsche money for a Corvette.
I also do not want to wallow in mediocrity! However, I maintain that we cannot really appreciate the design of the new C8 until we can stand next to one in the showroom. A photograph does not do any vehicle, much less the new C8 in camouflage, any justice at all. Be prepared to be impressed but get ready to easily spend Porsche money on a phenomenal new Corvette.
Old 10-06-2018, 06:16 PM
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I also do not want to wallow in mediocrity! However, I maintain that we cannot really appreciate the design of the new C8 until we can stand next to one in the showroom. A photograph does not do any vehicle, much less the new C8 in camouflage, any justice at all. Be prepared to be impressed but get ready to easily spend Porsche money on a phenomenal new Corvette.
The Porsche premium is not going to transfer to a Zora no matter how good it is. At $70K for a base Zora, they won't even sell 10K/year. If Zora fails as the only Corvette, Mary Barra will be looking for a new job.
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
The Porsche premium is not going to transfer to a Zora no matter how good it is. At $70K for a base Zora, they won't even sell 10K/year. If Zora fails as the only Corvette, Mary Barra will be looking for a new job.
Don't even think that they wouldn't be jumping up and down over 10,000 sales of C8's a year. My best guess is that they expect a maximum of 3000 - 4000. Heavens, what do I know about their expectations!?!? Add any amount of those to the continuing sale of 20,000 FE models that are more in line with what most historical buyers of Corvettes spend and you have success. Mary Barra will be toasted at the Country Club.

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I agree with the OP that the Corvette has the reputation or branding as an affordable demi-supercar. It's a car most sports car enthusiasts recognize as having value for performance, and an attainability that makes them less intimidating as a status symbol.
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I agree with the OP that the Corvette has the reputation or branding as an affordable demi-supercar. It's a car most sports car enthusiasts recognize as having value for performance, and an attainability that makes them less intimidating as a status symbol.
Times are changing! One may be able to buy an entry model for an attainable price, but it will most certainly not have all of the bells and whistles that we've been claiming make it an inexpensive Ferrari and a demi-supercar. It will be that in looks alone.
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If the performance is even a bit better than the current C7, then it will have accomplished its purpose. Esthetics is subjective; I do prefer the mid-engine look myself. Top end performance metrics like raw straight line speed and acceleration may not be equivalent to a 488 or an Aventador, much less a MacLaren or a Koenigsegg, and they doesn't have to be, that's for the Z06 and ZR1 to chase.

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Originally Posted by jivor
If the performance is even a bit better than the current C7, then it will have accomplished its purpose. Esthetics is subjective; I do prefer the mid-engine look myself. Top end performance metrics like raw straight line speed and acceleration may not be equivalent to a 488 or an Aventador, much less a MacLaren or a Koenigsegg, and they doesn't have to be, that's for the Z06 and ZR1 to chase.
They chase them, catch them, and pass them! Corvette Racing is winning the GTLM Championship this year. They race the likes of the above mentioned cars! And...they win! Don't short the Corvette! We don't know what the C8 will do in the future because it is not ready to perform. It needs to be qualified to race and that means several things, not the least of which is it is a production vehicle.
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Excuse me? Which one of these cars looks "Chunky"?
Do either?




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Old 10-15-2018, 10:43 PM
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CORVETTE was a FAST attack BOAT used in WWII.
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Yes you are correct ...one model...…...some folks just won't let it go ..gm is going into the mid engine ..

O n e m o d e l at a time...the mid engine corvette
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OP is spot on.
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Originally Posted by ltomn
They chase them, catch them, and pass them! Corvette Racing is winning the GTLM Championship this year. They race the likes of the above mentioned cars! And...they win! Don't short the Corvette! We don't know what the C8 will do in the future because it is not ready to perform. It needs to be qualified to race and that means several things, not the least of which is it is a production vehicle.
The corvette race car is in no way close to the production version. Add in the fact that they penalize cars that are faster with BoP and this comment is completely irrelevant to how well a production version performs.
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
From what I've seen of the ME, I am not excited. It looks chunky and antiquated, like an '80s C4. The Caddy twin turbo V8 is very powerful and torquey so a refreshed C7 would be very fast compared to the current base engine models. I don't want to spend Porsche money for a Corvette.
The LTA 4.2TT DOHC V8 is too tall to fit in a C7. Not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by ltomn
Have a look at the 2019 ZR1.
Bad choice - the ZR1 is a really dumb design. Start with a car, C7, that needs less weight on the front, add 120 lbs. to the very front of the car and then try to balance it with a huge rear wing to add weight (down force) to the rear of the car. Guess what, only works at high speeds or when going straight.

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