Notices
C8 General Discussion The place to discuss the next generation of Corvette.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Another Reason To Be Leary of the C8 And Why The Italians Could Care Less About the 8

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-18-2018, 09:53 AM
  #1  
C5Driver
Racer
Thread Starter
 
C5Driver's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2004
Posts: 489
Received 174 Likes on 93 Posts

Default Another Reason To Be Leary of the C8 And Why The Italians Could Care Less About the 8

Its stuff like this that makes me think GM should get out of the high end market. They (GM) just simply cant hack it.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...story-out.html

Last edited by C5Driver; 09-18-2018 at 09:54 AM.

Popular Reply

09-18-2018, 12:21 PM
Jeff V.
Le Mans Master
 
Jeff V.'s Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 5,978
Received 4,086 Likes on 1,971 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ArmchairArchitect
This guy's story is one anecdote; I haven't seen or heard of a theme of multiple ZR1s leaving the factory like this. That's when you start to become concerned.

I'd pay attention to the data and statistics versus one guy's experience and his own version of a story.
So wait...you're telling me you let objective facts and research guide your high dollar purchasing decisions? You don't base it one guy's internet rant?
Old 09-18-2018, 10:11 AM
  #2  
TSanders
Advanced
 
TSanders's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2016
Posts: 54
Received 26 Likes on 14 Posts
Default

Well a couple years ago 458 Italias and Porsche 991 GT3's were blowing up left and right.
Old 09-18-2018, 10:13 AM
  #3  
OnPoint
The Consigliere
Support Corvetteforum!
 
OnPoint's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: 2023 Z06 & 2010 ZR1
Posts: 22,243
Received 5,431 Likes on 2,268 Posts

Default

If you want to, you can talk yourself out of any high end auto from any manufacturer based on similar issues.
The following 2 users liked this post by OnPoint:
ArmchairArchitect (09-18-2018), bgspot (09-20-2018)
Old 09-18-2018, 11:15 AM
  #4  
tooold2race
Burning Brakes
 
tooold2race's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2012
Location: Keller Texas
Posts: 825
Received 545 Likes on 282 Posts

Default

There are always two sides to every story..... I cannot believe that GM would not 'make things right'. I wonder why it doesn't qualify for the 'buy back'???
Old 09-18-2018, 11:29 AM
  #5  
CitznFish
Drifting
 
CitznFish's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,558
Received 1,347 Likes on 481 Posts

Default

A few cars with poor quality control is not an indication that all cars will have poor quality control. What percentage of these ZR1's are we talking about? less than 5%?
The following users liked this post:
ArmchairArchitect (09-18-2018)
Old 09-18-2018, 11:53 AM
  #6  
ArmchairArchitect
Banned Scam/Spammer
 
ArmchairArchitect's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2016
Location: Philadelphia PA (Birthplace of the USA, UNESCO World Heritage City)
Posts: 4,004
Received 3,916 Likes on 1,616 Posts
Default

This guy's story is one anecdote; I haven't seen or heard of a theme of multiple ZR1s leaving the factory like this. That's when you start to become concerned.

I'd pay attention to the data and statistics versus one guy's experience and his own version of a story.

Last edited by ArmchairArchitect; 09-18-2018 at 11:54 AM.
The following 2 users liked this post by ArmchairArchitect:
FrankLP (09-18-2018), JerriVette (09-18-2018)
Old 09-18-2018, 12:21 PM
  #7  
Jeff V.
Le Mans Master
 
Jeff V.'s Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 5,978
Received 4,086 Likes on 1,971 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by ArmchairArchitect
This guy's story is one anecdote; I haven't seen or heard of a theme of multiple ZR1s leaving the factory like this. That's when you start to become concerned.

I'd pay attention to the data and statistics versus one guy's experience and his own version of a story.
So wait...you're telling me you let objective facts and research guide your high dollar purchasing decisions? You don't base it one guy's internet rant?
The following 6 users liked this post by Jeff V.:
ArmchairArchitect (09-18-2018), CorvettoBrando (09-19-2018), JerriVette (09-18-2018), rcooper (09-22-2018), sunsalem (09-18-2018), The HACK (10-08-2018) and 1 others liked this post. (Show less...)
Old 09-18-2018, 12:24 PM
  #8  
Tonylmiller
Race Director
 
Tonylmiller's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2006
Location: Huntsville AL
Posts: 11,845
Received 526 Likes on 343 Posts

Default

I think the LS7 valve issue is a good indication of how much Chevy cares about their customers. They will fix it under warranty; after that, you are on your own. Even though many LS7 cars have low miles and they will not fail until after the warranty (with low miles).
Old 09-18-2018, 01:24 PM
  #9  
ArmchairArchitect
Banned Scam/Spammer
 
ArmchairArchitect's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2016
Location: Philadelphia PA (Birthplace of the USA, UNESCO World Heritage City)
Posts: 4,004
Received 3,916 Likes on 1,616 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Tonylmiller
I think the LS7 valve issue is a good indication of how much Chevy cares about their customers. They will fix it under warranty; after that, you are on your own. Even though many LS7 cars have low miles and they will not fail until after the warranty (with low miles).
Same could be said for Porsche's IMS bearing issue which leads to complete engine failure...it affected an entire recent generation of 911s (and Boxsters). There's even a Wikipedia article dedicated to it, how sad:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsch..._Bearing_issue

Last edited by ArmchairArchitect; 09-18-2018 at 01:43 PM.
The following users liked this post:
JerriVette (09-18-2018)
Old 09-18-2018, 01:55 PM
  #10  
tbasco 6
Pro
 
tbasco 6's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2006
Posts: 572
Received 35 Likes on 28 Posts

Default

Your negative posting and obvious hate of the Me is getting old.
The following 5 users liked this post by tbasco 6:
ArmchairArchitect (09-18-2018), bgspot (09-20-2018), CorvettoBrando (09-19-2018), gurneyeagle (09-18-2018), JerriVette (09-18-2018)
Old 09-18-2018, 02:10 PM
  #11  
gurneyeagle
Burning Brakes
 
gurneyeagle's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2015
Posts: 928
Received 630 Likes on 323 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by tbasco 6
Your negative posting and obvious hate of the Me is getting old.
As well as another thread from people who simply cannot accept change because it will immediately antiquate their current vehicle thus robbing them of the affirmation they need to justify its purchase.
The following 4 users liked this post by gurneyeagle:
ArmchairArchitect (09-18-2018), bgspot (09-20-2018), CorvettoBrando (09-19-2018), rcooper (09-22-2018)
Old 09-18-2018, 02:12 PM
  #12  
Speednet
Melting Slicks
 
Speednet's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2001
Location: Bridgewater NJ
Posts: 2,108
Received 755 Likes on 332 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by C5Driver
Its stuff like this that makes me think GM should get out of the high end market. They (GM) just simply cant hack it.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...story-out.html
Another ridiculous scare-mongering post. Every car manufacturer -- every one -- has stories like this.

​​​​​​​With Corvette fans like this, who need enemies?
The following 3 users liked this post by Speednet:
ArmchairArchitect (09-18-2018), bgspot (09-20-2018), CorvettoBrando (09-19-2018)
Old 09-18-2018, 03:25 PM
  #13  
C5Driver
Racer
Thread Starter
 
C5Driver's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2004
Posts: 489
Received 174 Likes on 93 Posts

Default

Let the future buyer beware I say. For $145,000.00 I would expect much better and wouldn't cut GM any slack on this car.

Last edited by C5Driver; 09-18-2018 at 03:29 PM.
Old 09-18-2018, 05:04 PM
  #14  
Michael A
Le Mans Master
 
Michael A's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2001
Location: CA
Posts: 9,555
Received 2,910 Likes on 1,356 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by tooold2race
There are always two sides to every story..... I cannot believe that GM would not 'make things right'. I wonder why it doesn't qualify for the 'buy back'???
Remember, it's not GM making it right, it's the dealer. The dealer needs authorization from GM for warranty work. If either of those two parties fail, the car does not get fixed.

This is a prime example of why it is important to check the car over and drive the car before buying. Get a refundable deposit, and do not take possession of the car until it is inspected. Just because it is new, and has a warranty, doesn't mean there isn't something wrong with ti. Some cars are damaged in transit. Some cars get out of the plant with issues. Sometimes you can find a problem within a minute of driving the car, such as shaking or noises. Vibration problems can be extremely difficult to fix. Save yourself months of headaches.

If you are buying out of state, check to see if the Lemon Laws will apply to your purchase. Sometimes they don't.

Last edited by Michael A; 09-18-2018 at 05:05 PM.
The following users liked this post:
fasttoys (09-18-2018)
Old 09-18-2018, 05:27 PM
  #15  
Jeff V.
Le Mans Master
 
Jeff V.'s Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 5,978
Received 4,086 Likes on 1,971 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by C5Driver
Let the future buyer beware I say. For $145,000.00 I would expect much better and wouldn't cut GM any slack on this car.
So that's one car. What about the other ~3000 ZR1 owners? Or the Z06 owners with 70-100k cars? Or people with 70-100k Escalades and CTS-Vs?

If this was a chronic problem, you might have a point. But there's zero data to support that.
Old 09-18-2018, 05:28 PM
  #16  
smithers
Melting Slicks
 
smithers's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,013
Received 4,977 Likes on 1,812 Posts

Default

Every manufacturer builds the occasional turd. Such is life. The guy with the ZR1 should have put his states lemon law into action about 3 months ago. Going by Oklahoma law, his case qualifies for it. Trying to get a manufacturer to just do a buy back out of kindness is a waste of time.
Old 09-18-2018, 05:44 PM
  #17  
IronV
Burning Brakes
 
IronV's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2018
Location: San Francisco Bay Area CALIFORNIA
Posts: 802
Received 495 Likes on 260 Posts
Default Let me get this straight... The ITALIANS--

Originally Posted by C5Driver
Its stuff like this that makes me think GM should get out of the high end market. They (GM) just simply cant hack it.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...story-out.html
--Are worried about quality control? That's a joke, right?

Fix It Again, Tony.

Get notified of new replies

To Another Reason To Be Leary of the C8 And Why The Italians Could Care Less About the 8

Old 09-18-2018, 06:25 PM
  #18  
fasttoys
Melting Slicks
 
fasttoys's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2004
Location: Big D Dallas TEXAS
Posts: 2,075
Received 1,260 Likes on 558 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Michael A
Remember, it's not GM making it right, it's the dealer. The dealer needs authorization from GM for warranty work. If either of those two parties fail, the car does not get fixed.

This is a prime example of why it is important to check the car over and drive the car before buying. Get a refundable deposit, and do not take possession of the car until it is inspected. Just because it is new, and has a warranty, doesn't mean there isn't something wrong with ti. Some cars are damaged in transit. Some cars get out of the plant with issues. Sometimes you can find a problem within a minute of driving the car, such as shaking or noises. Vibration problems can be extremely difficult to fix. Save yourself months of headaches.

If you are buying out of state, check to see if the Lemon Laws will apply to your purchase. Sometimes they don't.
Agree, especially when buying a car that cost 140k+. You keep the emotions out of the purchase bring your OCD friend with you and walk the car and test drive it before you write the check. (Always) You can still get burned no matter what manufacturer we are talking about, but taking extra steps helps reduce your risk. I had an issue with a BMW M5 118k car it was resolved through BMW.

Look at all the issues with Tesla, my friends model 3 panels look like a 5th grader put them together with a blindfold on, car is nice other than cosmetic issues. They are pushing to many cars through the line instead of slowing the process and putting a Q&C process in place. Good news they are beating the hell out of the new ME on the test track, that helps us in the long run. Taking their time getting it to market is a good thing.
Old 09-18-2018, 07:56 PM
  #19  
Newton06
Drifting
 
Newton06's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2006
Location: Raleigh NC
Posts: 1,839
Received 319 Likes on 166 Posts

Default

This story has more BS in it than a Maxine Waters press release.

*if* even 1% of his cockamamie story is true, why is he wasting time whining on this forum?

Sell the damn car & move on.

And you guys keep on pumping quarters into his BS dispenser like there's no tomorrow... SMH.

Go watch some track videos from Sean or Questar.

Much more entertaining,

BTW - it's 'leery', not 'leary', as in Denis.

Last edited by Newton06; 09-18-2018 at 07:58 PM.
The following 3 users liked this post by Newton06:
bgspot (09-20-2018), heavymetals (09-20-2018), trooper (09-19-2018)
Old 09-18-2018, 11:07 PM
  #20  
ByByBMW
Le Mans Master

Support Corvetteforum!
 
ByByBMW's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2004
Location: AZ
Posts: 5,754
Received 536 Likes on 279 Posts
St. Jude Donor '06-'08-'10-'11-'12-'13 '14-'15-'16-'17-'18-'19


Default

Originally Posted by TSanders
Well a couple years ago 458 Italias and Porsche 991 GT3's were blowing up left and right.
Very few, if any valid examples of the GT3 "blowing up" but there were some concerns. And Porsche stepped up to the plate, https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...gine-warranty/ .
Chevy wouldn't even fully acknowledge the HUGE issues with the LS7 valve/heads issue. And those issues continued to occur after the time GM said the issue was corrected.
Sorry but personally I'd rather have the Porsche kind of response.


Quick Reply: Another Reason To Be Leary of the C8 And Why The Italians Could Care Less About the 8



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:45 PM.