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Old 10-02-2018, 10:38 PM
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not to be one of those guys but someone who actually enjoys the art of driving and feeling connected to the car (yeah corny I know) will take a manual over an "automatic" any day. If you just want bragging rights then choose an auto but remember, any monkey can drive an auto, it actually takes skill to master a manual.

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I was given a ride at a race track at speed in a very fast new Lambo about 2 years ago and it was driven very well. Super nice guy and a super nice car. He was paddle shifting and they were lightning fast. I just could not believe that the car could still be exiting the turns and grab a full throttle upshift and not spin but just accelerate hard. Very impressive.

But I still don't need or want a DCT.
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At least the posters on this thread seem to understand that we are actually talking about 3 different types of trans. A manual, an automatic and a DCT. Some guys on the forum don’t seem to understand that a DCT is NOT the same as an automatic. There is no torque converter and there is a clutch, two of them actually, they’re just activated electronically instead by the pedal. A DCT can shift itself similar to an automatic but an auto trans really doesn’t emulate a DCT very well. A DCT can also be shifted either by paddles or with the stick shift on the console. I have an M7 GS (and love it) but a DCT in my M4 and love it also. I use the stick to drive it just like a manual (no clutch pedal of course) and it snaps off shifts way faster than I can do in my GS. Both are fun. Yes I have been driving manuals since I was 14, I’m 62 now, so 48 years. Sorry to you guys who know all this stuff already. Just pointing out that if you’ve driven an automatic you haven’t driven a dual clutch. They operate differently and FEEL different.
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Old 10-03-2018, 12:40 AM
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At least the posters on this thread seem to understand that we are actually talking about 3 different types of trans. A manual, an automatic and a DCT. Some guys on the forum don’t seem to understand that a DCT is NOT the same as an automatic. There is no torque converter and there is a clutch, two of them actually, they’re just activated electronically instead by the pedal. A DCT can shift itself similar to an automatic but an auto trans really doesn’t emulate a DCT very well. A DCT can also be shifted either by paddles or with the stick shift on the console. I have an M7 GS (and love it) but a DCT in my M4 and love it also. I use the stick to drive it just like a manual (no clutch pedal of course) and it snaps off shifts way faster than I can do in my GS. Both are fun. Yes I have been driving manuals since I was 14, I’m 62 now, so 48 years. Sorry to you guys who know all this stuff already. Just pointing out that if you’ve driven an automatic you haven’t driven a dual clutch. They operate differently and FEEL different.
Intersting article below about the ZF automatic:

https://apple.news/AXCjuUjYJMguAnZEb50pNHQ
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Originally Posted by dreamr616
Intersting article below about the ZF automatic:

https://apple.news/AXCjuUjYJMguAnZEb50pNHQ
We went from an Audi with DCT to a BMW with that trans. It is far better than the DCT.

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At least the posters on this thread seem to understand that we are actually talking about 3 different types of trans. A manual, an automatic and a DCT. Some guys on the forum don’t seem to understand that a DCT is NOT the same as an automatic. There is no torque converter and there is a clutch, two of them actually, they’re just activated electronically instead by the pedal. A DCT can shift itself similar to an automatic but an auto trans really doesn’t emulate a DCT very well. A DCT can also be shifted either by paddles or with the stick shift on the console. I have an M7 GS (and love it) but a DCT in my M4 and love it also. I use the stick to drive it just like a manual (no clutch pedal of course) and it snaps off shifts way faster than I can do in my GS. Both are fun. Yes I have been driving manuals since I was 14, I’m 62 now, so 48 years. Sorry to you guys who know all this stuff already. Just pointing out that if you’ve driven an automatic you haven’t driven a dual clutch. They operate differently and FEEL different.
you are correct but a DCT can act like an automatic when in the proper mode and that's what people (at least I hope) are thinking about.

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Works for me. We have throttle by wire already. The feel of some GM clutches isn't that great anyway, so this could be an improvement. C8 needs a manual.
lol

no more lugging around spare clutch fluid, paper towels and a turkey baster to get your clutch pedal from sticking to the floor.

iI swear this on all things holy.. if this is for real count me in. If this car is DCT only you can kiss it goodbye and its sales
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Originally Posted by NY09C6 View Post
I have and it was boring as hell.
Until you realized you set a personal best while being bored and just not even trying. Again, were you actually PUSHING the car around a track or did you let off at 59 in the passing lane because your exit was coming up? Coffee is important, but it sounds like your opinion was chiseled in before you even sat in that Boxster...
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That may be the best simplest def of a DCT. Good post.
Still want another pedal. Perhaps eventually I will get it.
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Originally Posted by themonk View Post
If you just want bragging rights then choose an auto but remember, any monkey can drive an auto, it actually takes skill to master a manual.
Almost every road racing series from F1 to IMSA runs automatic transmissions these days, yet we admire and celebrate the drivers.

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22% of 2018 Corvettes had a manual trans, not a big number but a significant one, this tells me GM sees enough profit in it to make it happen.


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Originally Posted by ProfessorDeath
Until you realized you set a personal best while being bored and just not even trying. Again, were you actually PUSHING the car around a track or did you let off at 59 in the passing lane because your exit was coming up? Coffee is important, but it sounds like your opinion was chiseled in before you even sat in that Boxster...
Never been on a road coarse. Probably never will. My Corvette is a daily driver and a daily driver with an automatic sucks. We have owned two Audi DSGs, never owned a Boxster.

And I fully agree a DCT would be faster on a road corse, have stated this several times on this forum. I would still pay extra for a manual.

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Old 10-22-2018, 09:18 AM
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Its very obvious a lot of you dont have enough experience with manual transmission and turbo charged engines. Because if you did, you would immediately point out all of this discussion is irrelevant. The 22% of corvette owners would not buy a manual turbo charged car. It just does not feel natural and has inherent issues with how engine makes torque. I drove many M4s that is stick as well as 911s, I m a manual guy and there is no way I would own those cars in manual form. A DCT hides inherent turbocharging issues because of how you can fine tune TCU and extremely handle the torque drops with clutch slippage angles etc. Manual transmission just feels very wrong in turbo charged engines.

Its because of this GM will not offer one. It just wont sell even half of that 22% number.

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Old 10-22-2018, 12:40 PM
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Its very obvious a lot of you dont have enough experience with manual transmission and turbo charged engines. Because if you did, you would immediately point out all of this discussion is irrelevant. The 22% of corvette owners would not buy a manual turbo charged car. It just does not feel natural and has inherent issues with how engine makes torque. I drove many M4s that is stick as well as 911s, I m a manual guy and there is no way I would own those cars in manual form. A DCT hides inherent turbocharging issues because of how you can fine tune TCU and extremely handle the torque drops with clutch slippage angles etc. Manual transmission just feels very wrong in turbo charged engines.

Its because of this GM will not offer one. It just wont sell even half of that 22% number.
I've driven manual turbocharged cars as well as DCT equipped turbo cars and completely disagree with you. There is nothing "unnatural" about a manual turbo car (not to mention I have no idea what that is supposed to mean). Usually the biggest complaint in a manual turbo car was the turbo lag in between shifts, however, that really hasn't been a problem in the last 10 years with more advanced recirc valves, improved turbos, tuning, etc. Saying many people would not enjoy a manual turbo V8 is not only based on absolutely no facts it is wrong.
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Well I am banking on the LT being carried over with no turbos. The engine order data and CAD drawings both show this as a NA motor. I do not want the turbo engine.
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Originally Posted by NY09C6 View Post
Never been on a road coarse. Probably never will. My Corvette is a daily driver and a daily driver with an automatic sucks. We have owned two Audi DSGs, never owned a Boxster.

And I fully agree a DCT would be faster on a road corse, have stated this several times on this forum. I would still pay extra for a manual.
This frame of mind is the polar opposite of the vast majority of drivers. We’d much rather have a smooth, simple auto for around town and traffic driving, and a proper manual in our toys—which is why manuals are dying, sadly.
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Originally Posted by car junkie View Post
22% of 2018 Corvettes had a manual trans, not a big number but a significant one, this tells me GM sees enough profit in it to make it happen.
The scary part is that means the other 78% will eventually experience the A8 shudder. Just kidding, maybe.
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I hope the gearbox used in the ME doesn't turn into this situation : https://www.motor1.com/news/275825/f...mg-gt-gearbox/

That would truly suck.
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Its very obvious a lot of you dont have enough experience with manual transmission and turbo charged engines. Because if you did, you would immediately point out all of this discussion is irrelevant. The 22% of corvette owners would not buy a manual turbo charged car. It just does not feel natural and has inherent issues with how engine makes torque. I drove many M4s that is stick as well as 911s, I m a manual guy and there is no way I would own those cars in manual form. A DCT hides inherent turbocharging issues because of how you can fine tune TCU and extremely handle the torque drops with clutch slippage angles etc. Manual transmission just feels very wrong in turbo charged engines.

Its because of this GM will not offer one. It just wont sell even half of that 22% number.
Almost every Porsche sports car has turbos, and is offered with a manual (and people are buying them). How do you explain that?
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Almost every Porsche sports car has turbos, and is offered with a manual (and people are buying them). How do you explain that?
Just because they have it and people buy them doesnt mean the experience is good. Companies also put torque converters in place of dual clutch in sports cars and people buy those cars too but guess what, experience is **** (i.e A8, what a horrendous transmission to be in a car like ZR1).

The problem 99% of the time is boost trop when changing gears. Either downshifting or upshifting. There is no way to cheat the law of physics. Even with pre tensioned turbos, there is still noticeable boost drop and that translates into turbo lag. When you get back on the gas, massive torque hits a second after you are on the pedal or while downshifting the boost dies and so does the the torque and you feel like you hit a wall.

If those who buy these cars never really drove a proper N/A manual, they ll never know what they are missing. Better yet if they dont know how to drive a manual transmission, its still problem.
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