What we kinda found our at Funfest at GMs sponsored presentation
09-21-2018, 07:22 PM
#1
What we kinda found our at Funfest at GMs sponsored presentation
So the car was solely referred to as the 2020 C8. It was emphasized many times that mid engine and some sort of awd system works best in a mid motor configuration. DTC was mentioned more than once, 7 speed dtc was mentioned once. Electric and mechanical awd was discussed a lot. NO V6 Dave then gave me a glare and said I needed to have my mouth washed out with soap for even bringing that up. All he said about price was the old GM mantra it will compare with today’s models but just what model that is was not mentioned. Nothing much else was said but they did have extensive videos of the car on the track in Germany.
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09-21-2018, 07:35 PM
#2
Melting Slicks
C5driver I hope you enjoyed the soap as every time you mentioned v6 in other post i was wondering if you needed a hearing aide
Bob Lutz had great video info in autoline last night too.
Good info thanks
Bob Lutz had great video info in autoline last night too.Good info thanks
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09-21-2018, 07:48 PM
#3
Le Mans Master
This was Dave McLellan, right?
Just so everyone is aware, in case there's any confusion, Dave retired before the C5 was even a thing (1992). So while he's got some valued, respected insight, it's highly unlikely he's in the loop regarding the specifics of a car 4 generations removed from his tenure at GM.
Just so everyone is aware, in case there's any confusion, Dave retired before the C5 was even a thing (1992). So while he's got some valued, respected insight, it's highly unlikely he's in the loop regarding the specifics of a car 4 generations removed from his tenure at GM.
09-21-2018, 07:52 PM
#4
Instructor
So the car was solely referred to as the 2020 C8. It was emphasized many times that mid engine and some sort of awd system works best in a mid motor configuration. DTC was mentioned more than once, 7 speed dtc was mentioned once. Electric and mechanical awd was discussed a lot. NO V6 Dave then gave me a glare and said I needed to have my mouth washed out with soap for even bringing that up. All he said about price was the old GM mantra it will compare with today’s models but just what model that is was not mentioned. Nothing much else was said but they did have extensive videos of the car on the track in Germany.
"2020 C8". This is exciting! So we know what they refer to it as.
"It was emphasized many times that mid engine and some sort of awd system works best in a mid motor configuration." Great, they discussed "mid motor". Very good.
"DTC was mentioned more than once, 7 speed dtc was mentioned once." Okay, so they have admitted to DCT. Check.
"Electric and mechanical awd was discussed a lot." Yeah, as Lutz (and others) said back in 2015 that there would eventually be an electric motor in the front.
"NO V6 Dave then gave me a glare and said I needed to have my mouth washed out with soap for even bringing that up." Ha ha. That is funny. Okay, so we know it is definitely V8.
"All he said about price was the old GM mantra it will compare with today’s models but just what model that is was not mentioned." Okay. Good. Price attainable by current Corvette buyers.
"Nothing much else was said but they did have extensive videos of the car on the track in Germany." Cool! Actually showing video of the ME car! This is exciting!
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09-22-2018, 09:12 AM
#6
Race Director
My guess has been that GM would try some sort of electric front drive to give a "higher" performance version extra capability. I would be surprised to see GM do much more than a simple system with a relatively small battery. I don't think there will be a C8 with a driveshaft running up to the front.
09-22-2018, 01:12 PM
#7
Burning Brakes
I prefer no electric and RWD over AWD. Hopefully they continue that in the future. I definitely wish the NSX had a RWD only option. I’m not into the over engineering of products. I think that’s why cars like the original NSX, the C5/C6 Z06s, and S2000, were all so popular.
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09-22-2018, 01:43 PM
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So the car was solely referred to as the 2020 C8. It was emphasized many times that mid engine and some sort of awd system works best in a mid motor configuration. DTC was mentioned more than once, 7 speed dtc was mentioned once. Electric and mechanical awd was discussed a lot. NO V6 Dave then gave me a glare and said I needed to have my mouth washed out with soap for even bringing that up. All he said about price was the old GM mantra it will compare with today’s models but just what model that is was not mentioned. Nothing much else was said but they did have extensive videos of the car on the track in Germany.
My guess has been that GM would try some sort of electric front drive to give a "higher" performance version extra capability. I would be surprised to see GM do much more than a simple system with a relatively small battery. I don't think there will be a C8 with a driveshaft running up to the front.
At this point, it doesn't make much business sense for such a system.
09-22-2018, 04:25 PM
#9
Team Owner
I prefer no electric and RWD over AWD. Hopefully they continue that in the future. I definitely wish the NSX had a RWD only option. I’m not into the over engineering of products. I think that’s why cars like the original NSX, the C5/C6 Z06s, and S2000, were all so popular.
With the ultra poor sales of the AWD NSX, I bet Acura wishes it also didn't have a AWD with all that crappy electric ****. Maybe more than a half dozen people a month would be interested in buying a new NSX if it was less complicated and less money.
09-22-2018, 04:31 PM
#10
Burning Brakes
if the car was 80-110k, RWD, and the same amount of power it has now but less weight, it would have been the original NSX all over again. Would have totally disrupted the industry. Instead you have people buying heavily discounted new ones for 120k because sales are so trash which has made the secondary market more than awful because dealers want 130k for those and owners don’t want to sell/trade in due to fear of taking the giant hit.
Audi did much better in 08 with the R8. I always said that was the new NSX.
09-22-2018, 10:49 PM
#11
Le Mans Master
09-23-2018, 12:18 AM
#12
Melting Slicks
Dave probably has a good chance of having a “ball park “ figure of what this car is and approximate cost.
....and so does Bob Lutz,...Peter DeLorenzo...and so on...
....and so does Bob Lutz,...Peter DeLorenzo...and so on...
09-23-2018, 12:27 AM
#13
Le Mans Master
I've said they have valuable opinions. But as much as I respect them, they haven't been part of GM for 10-20 years. Nothing they say is "official" at all.
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09-23-2018, 02:01 AM
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09-23-2018, 07:55 AM
#17
Le Mans Master
energy recovery is a good thing as is instant torq they have quite a bit invested in the electric technology and it could be a nice upgrade if done well
09-23-2018, 08:23 AM
#18
Safety Car
Simce the late 70'S they have been talking about a mid engine. Give me a break it will never happen! They will loose to many customers. Now a all Electric count me in ,with a 500 mile range. I hate pumping smelly gas. Wake up GM electric is the future and the cars are quick!
09-23-2018, 08:45 AM
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How much would a car like this weigh IF it comes with AWD, Electric Motors, DCT, Safety stuff and all that comes with vettes? I cannot imagine the Z version being turbocharged, AWD and have electric motors. That's a whole lotta added weight. Will the usual suspected parts be Carbon Fiber (e.g. Hood, Doors, Roof)?
09-23-2018, 10:04 AM
#20
How much would a car like this weigh IF it comes with AWD, Electric Motors, DCT, Safety stuff and all that comes with vettes? I cannot imagine the Z version being turbocharged, AWD and have electric motors. That's a whole lotta added weight. Will the usual suspected parts be Carbon Fiber (e.g. Hood, Doors, Roof)?
