GM's New Patent - Manual for ME?
10-01-2018, 09:26 AM
#21
Burning Brakes
A good DCT > *
I used to be a part of the "Stick or die" movement was well, every car I've ever owned was stick.....till I got my hands on a Z4 sDrive 35is and then I took it on Tail of the Dragon
DCT can be fun and it's just flat out quicker than any of us can shift it and NO, Automatics with Paddles =/= DCT
Automatics can suck it but I can live with a DCT.
I used to be a part of the "Stick or die" movement was well, every car I've ever owned was stick.....till I got my hands on a Z4 sDrive 35is and then I took it on Tail of the Dragon
DCT can be fun and it's just flat out quicker than any of us can shift it and NO, Automatics with Paddles =/= DCT
Automatics can suck it but I can live with a DCT.
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10-01-2018, 12:03 PM
#22
thing knower
https://www.corvetteforum.com/articles/could-mid-engine-corvette-come-with-manual-transmission/
hmmmm from the looks of it, looks like some electric worm drive to move the throw out assembly...
I can foresee a ton of maintenance issue with this design... I.e. grease on the teeth etc being contaminated by clutch dust.
example
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Airlines_Flight_261
while it's not a high failure rate for aircraft, they are maintained to much higher standards than passenger cars...
just some food for thought...
should have been an electrically actuated hydraulic assembly.
I can understand them not wanting to have to maintain a hydraulic system buried under the car, but extended usage with the worm drive will likely have a higher failure rate...
just my opinion, of course!
hmmmm from the looks of it, looks like some electric worm drive to move the throw out assembly...
I can foresee a ton of maintenance issue with this design... I.e. grease on the teeth etc being contaminated by clutch dust.
example
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Airlines_Flight_261
while it's not a high failure rate for aircraft, they are maintained to much higher standards than passenger cars...
just some food for thought...
should have been an electrically actuated hydraulic assembly.
I can understand them not wanting to have to maintain a hydraulic system buried under the car, but extended usage with the worm drive will likely have a higher failure rate...
just my opinion, of course!
Last edited by drewz06; 10-01-2018 at 12:09 PM.
10-01-2018, 12:12 PM
#23
Melting Slicks
A good DCT > *
I used to be a part of the "Stick or die" movement was well, every car I've ever owned was stick.....till I got my hands on a Z4 sDrive 35is and then I took it on Tail of the Dragon
DCT can be fun and it's just flat out quicker than any of us can shift it and NO, Automatics with Paddles =/= DCT
Automatics can suck it but I can live with a DCT.
I used to be a part of the "Stick or die" movement was well, every car I've ever owned was stick.....till I got my hands on a Z4 sDrive 35is and then I took it on Tail of the Dragon
DCT can be fun and it's just flat out quicker than any of us can shift it and NO, Automatics with Paddles =/= DCT
Automatics can suck it but I can live with a DCT.
There is a reason even BMW is going away from DCT and back to traditional auto's in a lot of cars.
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10-10-2018, 11:47 AM
#24
https://www.corvetteforum.com/articles/could-mid-engine-corvette-come-with-manual-transmission/
hmmmm from the looks of it, looks like some electric worm drive to move the throw out assembly...
I can foresee a ton of maintenance issue with this design... I.e. grease on the teeth etc being contaminated by clutch dust.
example
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alas...nes_Flight_261
while it's not a high failure rate for aircraft, they are maintained to much higher standards than passenger cars...
just some food for thought...
should have been an electrically actuated hydraulic assembly.
I can understand them not wanting to have to maintain a hydraulic system buried under the car, but extended usage with the worm drive will likely have a higher failure rate...
just my opinion, of course!
hmmmm from the looks of it, looks like some electric worm drive to move the throw out assembly...
I can foresee a ton of maintenance issue with this design... I.e. grease on the teeth etc being contaminated by clutch dust.
example
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alas...nes_Flight_261
while it's not a high failure rate for aircraft, they are maintained to much higher standards than passenger cars...
just some food for thought...
should have been an electrically actuated hydraulic assembly.
I can understand them not wanting to have to maintain a hydraulic system buried under the car, but extended usage with the worm drive will likely have a higher failure rate...
just my opinion, of course!
As far as a manual being dependent on this new technology, probably dozens of mid-engine cars have been marketed with manual transmission since the 60's, and none of them used an electric throwout bearing.
10-15-2018, 09:45 PM
#25
Racer
Agreed. I have owned a manny tranny Gallardo for years and luv it. Not to mention my Vette ( 6 spd manny ) is my DD
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10-19-2018, 01:48 PM
#29
Melting Slicks
........your probably against the old hand crank starts as well😏. BTW, I concur with your comment !
10-19-2018, 01:49 PM
#30
Melting Slicks
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11-10-2018, 01:54 AM
#31
Safety Car
edit: I also believe bright headlight toggles should be on the floorboard instead of some ridiculous stalk in a convenient place. Man, those were the days.
Last edited by ProfessorDeath; 11-10-2018 at 01:57 AM.
11-10-2018, 03:57 AM
#32
Team Owner
is it really whining? How could the art of driving a manual and wanting it in a performance car be "whining". Did Porsche cave when they put a manual only in the 911 R that's now worth north of a million dollars? Nothing against you but just because auto manufacturers offer it's consumers a choice due to demand doesn't mean they are pandering to the "whiners".
11-10-2018, 03:59 AM
#33
Team Owner
hey, why learn to play your favorite song on the guitar when you can just listen to it on Youtube.
people like you crack me up, too lazy to shift gears, to uncoordinated to be able to.
hey, my Hayabusa is a manual transmission, you wanna guess who will be the first to the finish line between you and me?
people like you crack me up, too lazy to shift gears, to uncoordinated to be able to.hey, my Hayabusa is a manual transmission, you wanna guess who will be the first to the finish line between you and me?
Last edited by themonk; 11-10-2018 at 04:01 AM.
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11-10-2018, 05:29 AM
#34
Team Owner
I'm considering a 2019 Audi A7 as a new daily driver. It has a DCT. I would think that if the DCT is that bad, Audi wouldn't be putting it into a newly redesigned 2019 luxury car with a starting price of $68,000.
11-10-2018, 09:35 AM
#36
Instructor
oo oo, eeh eeh, ah ah
11-11-2018, 08:05 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by themonk
Did Porsche cave when they put a manual only in the 911 R that's now worth north of a million dollars?
11-11-2018, 09:37 PM
#38
Le Mans Master
It's not just the involvement of a manual, but it is also the engine sound you get going and and down through the gears that can't really be replicated with anything but a manual.
11-17-2018, 01:52 AM
#39
Safety Car
11-17-2018, 04:07 AM
#40
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by ProfessorDeath
What you’re saying is “screw performance and efficiency , I need attention.” Got it. 