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Old 09-23-2018, 08:59 PM
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With each generation (with th exception of the C4 in my opinion) GM has done a great job with progression of the look and interior of the corvette. Sure you might not like something on each generation, but if you put the base models next to each other the newer model makes the older model outdated. The real question is will the fit and finish be significantly improved with the C8? Personally I think my C6Z looks great. But will they finally fix (significantly improve) panel gap, orange peel, rattles, etc. that have plagued the corvette?
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Is C8 being produced by GM?

Then "no".

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Interior should be good on the C20.
Old 09-24-2018, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bigterpsfan
But will they finally fix (significantly improve) panel gap, orange peel, rattles, etc. that have plagued the corvette?
Panel gap is better by 0.001"
Orange peel is better by 17 nm
rattles are down by 0.05 dBA

Anything more you want to know?
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Old 09-24-2018, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bigterpsfan
With each generation (with th exception of the C4 in my opinion) GM has done a great job with progression of the look and interior of the corvette. Sure you might not like something on each generation, but if you put the base models next to each other the newer model makes the older model outdated. The real question is will the fit and finish be significantly improved with the C8? Personally I think my C6Z looks great. But will they finally fix (significantly improve) panel gap, orange peel, rattles, etc. that have plagued the corvette?
Your reference is the C6, not the C7.
My C7 is just fine in all the areas you bring up.
Perfect?
No. (some orange peel on LBR, but nothing egregious).

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Originally Posted by bigterpsfan
With each generation (with th exception of the C4 in my opinion) GM has done a great job with progression of the look and interior of the corvette. Sure you might not like something on each generation, but if you put the base models next to each other the newer model makes the older model outdated. The real question is will the fit and finish be significantly improved with the C8? Personally I think my C6Z looks great. But will they finally fix (significantly improve) panel gap, orange peel, rattles, etc. that have plagued the corvette?
The panel gap on my C4 is a lot better than most vehicles. But everything was lined up when it was resprayed in the 90s so... Everything else though not so much. Again, they make something like 50k of them a year... The orange peel on my buddies 718 was really bad. I get it's a black car but the whole car looks like the surface of a golf ball.... The vettes quality fits in its price range fine to me tbh.
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This will certainly get some in here, but the C7 was a remarkable step backward for GM. The design is very poor. The weight is up and required serious downforce generation to get handling just a bit past the previous C6 version. The interior is a serious step up in all areas. The drivetrain just didn't advance anything(ok, direct fuel injection) and the LT4 had/has some very strange inconsistencies. The ZR1 isn't worth mentioning, as GM has no where to go with the boy racer mentality. Crap like that won't bring buyers to the GM table when comparing to other cars in the performance and price point.

I, for one, am very happy to see GM completely dropped another evolution from the C5 and appears to be entering all new territory. The C7 just proved there was no where left to go but address the auto mag complaints.....
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Originally Posted by Michael A
Is C8 being produced by GM?

Then "no".
You seem to hate the Corvette?? GM has done a good job improving the Corvette. Can they do a little better? Yes and hoping they go even further with the C8. And FYI, a lot of high-end cars have their share of issues. I've seen OP on $200K cars, and interior pieces falling off, etc.
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Originally Posted by bigterpsfan
With each generation (with th exception of the C4 in my opinion) GM has done a great job with progression of the look and interior of the corvette. Sure you might not like something on each generation, but if you put the base models next to each other the newer model makes the older model outdated. The real question is will the fit and finish be significantly improved with the C8? Personally I think my C6Z looks great. But will they finally fix (significantly improve) panel gap, orange peel, rattles, etc. that have plagued the corvette?

So if you think your C6 looks great, what's with the paranoia? I had more than one C6 and my C7 is far better.......it has none of the issues you mention, other than some very minor orange peel that was worse on my 2013 Mercedes SL550.

I love these questions that no one on the forum can possibly answer.
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I do love my C6Z, and other than a bit of orange peel,I think it looks great, performs great and is low maintenance. However, I’ve read numerous complaints about the items I’ve mentioned in the C5-C7, especially paint issues. They are valid concerns expressed by many throughout the years, not paranoia. Thanks for your enlightening insight.

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I think the C7 was a huge step up in design inside and out over the C6.

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Originally Posted by bigterpsfan
I do love my C6Z, and other than a bit of orange peel,I think it looks great, performs great and is low maintenance. However, I’ve read numerous complaints about the items I’ve mentioned in the C5-C7, especially paint issues. They are valid concerns expressed by many throughout the years, not paranoia. Thanks for your enlightening insight.

So you're worried about the C8 because of the C5? You're obviously not worried about it because of the C6. I assume you don't own a C7.

Sorry I can't address your concerns. My crystal ball is on the fritz.
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I’ve had 4 corvettes and other then the peel never had any of the issues you list.

what car do You believe is better in these areas?

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This will certainly get some in here, but the C7 was a remarkable step backward for GM. The design is very poor. The weight is up and required serious downforce generation to get handling just a bit past the previous C6 version. The interior is a serious step up in all areas. The drivetrain just didn't advance anything(ok, direct fuel injection) and the LT4 had/has some very strange inconsistencies. The ZR1 isn't worth mentioning, as GM has no where to go with the boy racer mentality. Crap like that won't bring buyers to the GM table when comparing to other cars in the performance and price point.
I agree with none of your opinions except regarding the ZR1.
It's a dud...barely faster than the Z06.
Other than trying to use up some marketing time while waiting on the C8, I have no idea what the hell GM was thinking...
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That's not the real question.
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I think it's objectively provable that it was the $11 Billion TARP bailout that saved GM...
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I don't know why the C4 gets so little respect. There was a racing series for several years pitting basically stock C4's against Porsche 944 Turbos. Porsche never won a race. If you were running SCCA Solo in the Super Stock class, you were probably running a C4 if you wanted to win. When the C5 came out, few C4 drivers switched until the Z06 came out.

Maybe you have a point in fit and finish if you're a waxer, but the car had good performance relative to what else was available.
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Originally Posted by bigterpsfan
With each generation (with th exception of the C4 in my opinion) GM has done a great job with progression of the look and interior of the corvette. Sure you might not like something on each generation, but if you put the base models next to each other the newer model makes the older model outdated. The real question is will the fit and finish be significantly improved with the C8? Personally I think my C6Z looks great. But will they finally fix (significantly improve) panel gap, orange peel, rattles, etc. that have plagued the corvette?
I have to defend the C4. Why don't you think GM did a great job with the design of the C4? Because it looks outdated some 35 years later?

1984 sold more than any model year after it to this date and only second behind 1979 overall. That tells me that it was a revolutionary and progressive design.

You don't have to like the C4 to recognize that it was a huge leap in design.

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Originally Posted by DaveFerrari458
You seem to hate the Corvette?? GM has done a good job improving the Corvette. Can they do a little better? Yes and hoping they go even further with the C8. And FYI, a lot of high-end cars have their share of issues. I've seen OP on $200K cars, and interior pieces falling off, etc.
I love the car, and hate the poor quality. It's been 40 years since GM hired Dr. Deming to show them how to build quality cars, and they never took his advice. The big GM ship never changed course, and they still have a reputation for poor quality. When the C7 first came out, I could not believe how bad the panel gaps and paint were, and that GM actually shipped cars that looked like that. Even my C5 wasn't that bad.

Here's the real clincher. It costs less to build a high quality car where the quality is built-in from the start through engineering and manufacturing, than a low quality car. There is no excuse for GM's poor quality.

If anything sabotages the C8 from picking up customers from the European brands, it will be poor quality. I don't think the Corvette management, such as Tadge and Harlan get this. I think they believe performance and price will do the job. All you have to do is get out of your offices, and talk to people who DON'T own a Corvette.

I would like to order a 2020 C8, but, honestly, I likely will not, because of GM's poor record for quality. The C7 was just a reincarnation of the C6, and they couldn't get that right. The C8 is an entirely new car, with a new transmission. By the way, is the A8 fixed yet?

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I have to defend the C4. Why don't you think GM did a great job with the design of the C4? Because it looks outdated some 35 years later?

1984 sold more than any model year after it to this date and only second behind 1979 overall. That tells me that it was a revolutionary and progressive design.

You don't have to like the C4 to recognize that it was a huge leap in design.
But you do have to remember that the model year for 84 was more like 1.5 years since it was too late to call it an 83. But yes I get it. At least my dashboard didn't delaminate after owning the thing for a couple years... the only real problem was all the rattles. The quality went down hill as the production went on. And still, fiberglass is a bitch to line up.

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