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I agree that the above car looks very little like the C8, however if you don't like the design of the Valkyrie, you're nuts, go back to the 60s.
Why do we all have to like it, I honestly think its ugly from an aesthetic point of view. I understand why it looks this way, but it literally has zero design cues pointing toward its brand, Aston Martins all easily distinguishable by their grilles, this thing doesn't even have one. It is a generic wind tunnel shaped spaceship that sacrifices everything for one singular purpose...now the AM Vulcan on the other hand is absolutely gorgeous and identifiable as an AM product.
The Valkyrie looks just as outlandish as all the other "hyper" cars out there and all the upcoming ones. The only new hyper car that strikes me as cool and sexy would have to be the Brabham BT62, but it could be that I am a sucker for British racing green and gold...
I've been bogged down with the uncreative job of cutting actual panel lines instead of bump maps. This is another random render in red, realized at a pretty high resolution. I don't know what the max res is here, If anyone is interested in the full resolution, let me know and I'll post it to my Imgur account.
I've been bogged down with the uncreative job of cutting actual panel lines instead of bump maps. This is another random render in red, realized at a pretty high resolution. I don't know what the max res is here, If anyone is interested in the full resolution, let me know and I'll post it to my Imgur account.
Thanks Chaz, and yes there's a big crowd here that would love to see the max resolution.
Hey Chaz,
I know you are doing your best, but can we get the DRL LED strip in the actual headlight instead of on the horizontal splitter in the grille? The separate DRL look is tacky and in the renders looks like a chrome strip...like the C7 "retainer". I imagine that the LED would be similar to the C7 and run along the bottom edge of the headlight housing, this is nitpicky and we have no idea what they will actually look like, but if the splitter remains as thin as it is on the camo cars, there just isn't any room for the LEDs and lenses on that area.
Also, that hi-res image is my new desktop, top notch work!
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Why do we all have to like it, I honestly think its ugly from an aesthetic point of view. I understand why it looks this way, but it literally has zero design cues pointing toward its brand, Aston Martins all easily distinguishable by their grilles, this thing doesn't even have one. It is a generic wind tunnel shaped spaceship that sacrifices everything for one singular purpose...now the AM Vulcan on the other hand is absolutely gorgeous and identifiable as an AM product.
The Valkyrie looks just as outlandish as all the other "hyper" cars out there and all the upcoming ones. The only new hyper car that strikes me as cool and sexy would have to be the Brabham BT62, but it could be that I am a sucker for British racing green and gold...
We don't all have to like the same things, but there are some designs which are much like taste in movies or food, if someone tells you they don't like them it devalues their opinion on all other matters related to a subject, in this instance, cars. The Valkyrie is just about perfect from the side view. From the front it is less impressive. The AM Vulcan is a great looking car too. The BT62 has too many sharp edges. Where the 90s were all about flowing lines, the 00s were all about sharp angular edges. Now we are moving into panels on panels such as in the i8. I prefer the flowing lines of the 90s and would like to see us move away from car designs that look like a stealth fighter.
I'm being patient on design direction and language
Originally Posted by VETTE-NV
The basic shape and proportions of the C8 are promising.
I appreciate the hard work some of the great artists here have done, but I am reserving judgement until I see the real thing.
Beyond that, harping incessantly as you do serves no purpose other than to confirm that you know you are a dick and enjoy proving it as often as you see fit. I guess that's the only thing we know for sure up to this point.
You miss my point and worse, dismiss it as "harping."
DO YOU NOT SEE A PROFOUND DIFFERENCE IN THE DESIGN DIRECTION SHOWN ABOVE? Do you embrace the extremely busy direction seen in the C8 thus far?
You say the "basic shape and proportions are promising."
The basic shape and proportions are also a profound divergence from past Vettes. Is that a good thing?
You have criticized me personally and consistently for raising the issue and asking the questions that nobody wants to hear, much less consider.
If you think the C8's design direction is superior to the Lambo and Aston above, let's hear it.
And a perfectly acceptable answer is "Yeah. I think the direction of the C8 is a big step forward from the Lambo and Aston above and will be a big hit."
Here's the problem with you, and why you are so annoying. Your points might be considered IF WE HAD A REAL C8 to analyze and comment upon. WE DON'T! Thus, your critiques are meaningless and incomprehensible, and worse yet, you seem to think you have to keep saying the same things over and over again.
What some of us keep trying to tell you is that we've gotten your point, so why not give it a rest, until you have something REAL to talk about.
Praise and excitement are perfectly appropriate responses to the emerging C8 design. But doubt and criticism are not acceptable.
Got it. And no. You haven't "gotten my point." You've responded defensively and one dimensionally. But you are far from "getting my point."
Now. You compare the speculative C8 renders to the Lambo and Aston and tell me if you think the design direction (speculative) of the C8 is superior.
I've been bogged down with the uncreative job of cutting actual panel lines instead of bump maps. This is another random render in red, realized at a pretty high resolution. I don't know what the max res is here, If anyone is interested in the full resolution, let me know and I'll post it to my Imgur account.
As much as I appreciate all the C8 render interpretations by you, Chazcron, as well as FVS and bdsvavars, I wish each of you would consider creating a blue print style version of the ME best you can. Maybe even use C7 dimensions as a basis adjusted as needed as we think the wheel base is much the same.
I have on my wall this blue blue print created by Douglas Switzer back when I first bought my ‘14 C7. You can view more of his works and those from other aritists at:
Praise and excitement are perfectly appropriate responses to the emerging C8 design. But doubt and criticism are not acceptable.
Got it. And no. You haven't "gotten my point." You've responded defensively and one dimensionally. But you are far from "getting my point."
Now. You compare the speculative C8 renders to the Lambo and Aston and tell me if you think the design direction (speculative) of the C8 is superior.
I've said it plenty of times as well, so I'm probably annoying - oh no. IronV has a valid point & regardless of whether he expresses it 1x or 100x it's as valid as everyone drooling over the "no real C8 to analyze yet".
Another member just posted a cool article on the development of the C7 and in that article they had the attached pic of the C7 testing in camo - where you can clearly make out the lines, proportions, and overall look of the C7 which turned out to look pretty much like what you see here. So to IronV's point & many others, the current camo car is not attractive, the proportions are off, the rear end is hideous & it's reasonable to assume (by looking at the C7 camo pic) that the final version will closely resemble what we see.
Ugh, I swear the phrase "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is lost on some people. The renders are just renders, until the car can be seen by real eyeballs in the real world, there is no way to really see just how well the rear end will look on the C8. The Huracan Evo butt is too busy compared to a regular LP610/4 which in my opinion os a much nicer and less ricey rear end. That Aston render is beautiful but there are plenty of beautiful renders that don't exist in the real world for one reason or another. The Valkyrie is "bleh" to me, to much LMP racecar function over form, its a cool car but its looks are stupid because it simply sacrifices everything to aero, there is no aesthetic for the sake of it. This is the reason Ferrari is arguably the most desirable car, they are performers AND artistic.
The C8 has the unenviable task of being mid engine, without the budget of exotics that use crazy CF molding techniques to create interesting shapes that are simply impossible to mass produce. These exotics have established a "look" that is hard to make a "liveable" car with. McLaren has done well to make cars with some liveable utility, but it appears that GM and the C8 are trying to make a real "liveable" mid engine sports car as evidenced by the full width rear hatch and low mounted exhaust which lends itself to additional rear storage.
Honestly, the last sighting in Detroit clip got me super excited, as the car looks properly aggressive and proportioned even with the tacked on camo.
Then again this is just my opinion and it may not jive with everyone else's, but GM should do what they will inevitably do, and release a great car that will likely polarize people like the C7 did. I also loved the C7, it was the first time I even cared about the Corvette as more than just some cool classics (C1-C3) and a bunch of great handling cars that were ok (C4-C6). Because of the C7, I actually became invested in the Corvette culture and now care about all Vettes, and one day would love to have a garage filled with examples from each gen, but it was the C7 that made me care enough in the first place.
The "moldings" in the C8 thus far, are much more complex than anything on that Lambo and Aston--which have a far simpler design direction. And I'm not talking about what you "like." I'm talking about comparing and contrasting the design direction of the Lambo and emerging C8.
As much as I appreciate all the C8 render interpretations by you, Chazcron, as well as FVS and bdsvavars, I wish each of you would consider creating a blue print style version of the ME best you can. Maybe even use C7 dimensions as a basis adjusted as needed as we think the wheel base is much the same.
I have on my wall this blue blue print created by Douglas Switzer back when I first bought my ‘14 C7. You can view more of his works and those from other aritists at:
Game changer for me, CRABBYJ. The single biggest mistake I have made to date. Thanks so much for the tip.
While the side view mostly lines up (I am not stubbing the nose or tail any more til leak/proof) the width was off by a whopping 10%. I am thoroughly embarrassed. Look at how much the change affects the last render.
This is why I take member proportions seriously and check the ones that seem valid. I'll be honest, I was dismissive of CRABBYJ's suggestion at first. After all. I had posted a four view a few weeks ago and he could have checked for himself, I thought. I've had a nagging feeling all along that it was too wide, but it seemed to line up with the spy shots. So what would it hurt to check? Oh boy am I glad I did.
I wish I could re-render ALL my previous renders, but that is not possible. This is my new width going forward.
I'm just kidding, your renders have been my desktop from the start, so you do you man, and I'll keep adding to the collection. It's interesting to see the progression though.
Praise and excitement are perfectly appropriate responses to the emerging C8 design. But doubt and criticism are not acceptable.
Got it. And no. You haven't "gotten my point." You've responded defensively and one dimensionally. But you are far from "getting my point."
Now. You compare the speculative C8 renders to the Lambo and Aston and tell me if you think the design direction (speculative) of the C8 is superior.
You clearly haven't gotten my point. And I'm certainly NOT defensive because I am brand agnostic. I've said it before, and I'll remind you again that I have mixed feelings about the renders and not sure I'd be a C8 ME buyer based upon what I've seen even though I think the big 3 renderers are getting close. However, I also have enough experience to know that subtle little tweaks and seeing things up close and personal can give one a totally different impression than a 1D render.
Thus, I'm in "wait and see" mode and have no need to waste my time critiquing pictures, which are likely to not fully capture the finished product. I find those who do like you running a fools errand and just plain silly.
The C7 is a good example. I really didn't like it in the period leading up to, and for some period of time after, the reveal. As a result, I purchased a Jaguar F-Type. Over time, it really grew on me, and I now really like the design. I went through the same process with the 911 over a couple of decades. I used to absolutely hate them, but now I appreciate the the styling.
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