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Old 02-11-2019, 09:22 AM
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These Cien photos slightly eased my worries with the ME Corvette proportions. I don’t find anything “ungainly” about this rascal and it is old news. A Caddy prerequisite is the ability to carry golf clubs.
Sure wish Englishman, Simon *** was involved with the design of the C8. Unlike Chaz and his groupie, he knows something about cars. Prodrive designed the chassis of the scien.
Are you familiar with Jordan Peterson?

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Old 02-11-2019, 11:01 AM
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"Unlike Chaz and his groupie, he knows something about cars"

Yep Shaka, I too wonder why everybody is picking on poor little you.

Please show us that again that genius kit car design of yours, which you posted earlier, that establishes your credibility to critique of Chaz's work....
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Originally Posted by John T





These Cien photos slightly eased my worries with the ME Corvette proportions. I don’t find anything “ungainly” about this rascal and it is old news. A Caddy prerequisite is the ability to carry golf clubs.
Now, this is a car I would buy. Cadillac has the best designers. Their designs are light-years ahead of the competition.

I love the blow-in doors on the side scoops. Very cool.
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaka



Sure wish Englishman, Simon *** was involved with the design of the C8. Unlike Chaz and his groupie, he knows something about cars. Prodrive designed the chassis of the scien.
Are you familiar with Jordan Peterson?
I am not familiar with Jordan but it seems Prodrive is hugely successful. Simon also did the ELR? I believe that is one of Cadillac's best designs in recent years. I liked it much better than the ATS. Also Shaka-- My old man had a 57 or 58 Cad Brougham in a bright blue, maybe 15,000 miles. I should have kept that damn thing. It may have been missing the three carb setup but it was perfect. Tissue dispenser, silver cups-
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DanSavage
Now, this is a car I would buy. Cadillac has the best designers. Their designs are light-years ahead of the competition.

I love the blow-in doors on the side scoops. Very cool.

What's almost as impressive as the way it looks is that it was designed almost 18 years ago. It could roll out tomorrow and be a stunner.
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Originally Posted by MikeG37

What's almost as impressive as the way it looks is that it was designed almost 18 years ago. It could roll out tomorrow and be a stunner.
It looks all of that 18 years old. An excellent design that has aged well, but alas it has aged nonetheless.

The Chrysler ME-412 was much more "ahead of its time" than the Cien was.

Look at the Enzo. It likewise looks incredible still, yet dated.

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Old 02-11-2019, 02:37 PM
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Amazing work Chaz. You even got the subtle line that extends mid door through the scoop and then into the quarter to the rear tail light point. I've noticed it in camo pics, and it's very faint.

The only thing I think you have markedly wrong is the center of the nose. You have it as all grill when clearly the N-ring test cars show that center section will be solid.



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Old 02-11-2019, 02:41 PM
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Clearly.
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Originally Posted by chazcron
Clearly.
Do you think the N-ring pics aren't accurate? I just can't see them doing testing at a place like that w/o the production surfaces and air management unobstructed. They've had the "gaping mouth" look for two generations now. Maybe they're going back to the C4/5 "split cove" look.
Old 02-11-2019, 02:52 PM
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I'm no engineer, but there's no need for air going in there with no front engine, the intakes are in the outermost grille and on the side. If GM can make the fairing under that camo shape look good, I'd be quite surprised and impressed.

Paint shop images have nothing there either.
Old 02-11-2019, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
Do you think the N-ring pics aren't accurate? I just can't see them doing testing at a place like that w/o the production surfaces and air management unobstructed. They've had the "gaping mouth" look for two generations now. Maybe they're going back to the C4/5 "split cove" look.
The Nuremberg event was an industry only ,tire manufacturer event.(invitational,paid by the tire manufacturer )Posrsche,BMW ,Toyota were there as well.
Primary reason ,was to test tires....
Hence...the distorted scoop,uncovered headlights etc.

Obviously ,once on the track,every car manufacturer can test other things as well...(usually play cat and mouse,or even possum ...with their closest competitor .
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Originally Posted by pietro c7
The Nuremberg event was an industry only ,tire manufacturer event.(invitational,paid by the tire manufacturer )Posrsche,BMW ,Toyota were there as well.
Primary reason ,was to test tires....
Hence...the distorted scoop,uncovered headlights etc.

Obviously ,once on the track,every car manufacturer can test other things as well...(usually play cat and mouse,or even possum ...with their closest competitor .
Where'd you hear/read that? GM is married at the hip with Michelin right now and I suspect they had the tires locked down for this car very early on.

The headlights are as efficient as they can install w/o putting the production unit in there and giving it away. They had a very similar insert in the C7 mules. It's that or the heavy tarp/cladding/camo which wouldn't work for high speed ring runs.

Regardless, I'm tired of the gaping mouth look on everything... I hope the front center is body colored and has the two side cove inlets as pictured.
Old 02-11-2019, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by chazcron
I'm no engineer, but there's no need for air going in there with no front engine, the intakes are in the outermost grille and on the side. If GM can make the fairing under that camo shape look good, I'd be quite surprised and impressed.

Paint shop images have nothing there either.
Do we know where the engine cooling radiators are located?
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The primary one(s) will be up front; there could well be secondary heat exchangers in the rear quarters being air fed through the side scoops.
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Originally Posted by elegant
The primary one(s) will be up front; there could well be secondary heat exchangers in the rear quarters being air fed through the side scoops.
So the grill will need to be open to handle the air cooling requirements. Wonder why the ‘ring cars had it blocked.
Another question, where does the cooling air exit? I don’t see an outlet on the hood like the C7. Maybe through the wheel wells. Would not want it exiting under the car as that would mess up the aero as you want to keep air out from under the car.
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Could be that the are two radiators up front, one on each side of the center closure that we saw at the Ring. We have seen outlet air grilles in the front wheel liners.


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Originally Posted by elegant
Could be that the are two radiators up front, one on each side of the center closure that we saw at the Ring. We have seen outlet air grilles in the front wheel liners.

I have seen those and they may work for oil coolers but no way will they move enough air for engine cooling. Besides, they would be beside the radiators, while the radiators need the outlets to be further back behind the radiators.

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Originally Posted by Tom73
So the grill will need to be open to handle the air cooling requirements. Wonder why the ‘ring cars had it blocked.
Another question, where does the cooling air exit? I don’t see an outlet on the hood like the C7. Maybe through the wheel wells. Would not want it exiting under the car as that would mess up the aero as you want to keep air out from under the car.
Why would the center need to be open? the side openings are the radiator inlets. There are two liquid radiators up front. Same as Porsche does (well they also have a smaller center one too). Air exits the wheel wells.

Works for Ferrari


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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
Why would the center need to be open? the side openings are the radiator inlets. There are two liquid radiators up front. Same as Porsche does (well they also have a smaller center one too). Air exits the wheel wells.
But Porsche is only cooling a small 6, not a big 8. Think ZR1 cooling issues.
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Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
Why would the center need to be open? the side openings are the radiator inlets. There are two liquid radiators up front. Same as Porsche does (well they also have a smaller center one too). Air exits the wheel wells.

Works for Ferrari

Something relevant to today's highest technology, split bumper inlets.






One could only dream the C8 has such an amazing front-end as this Regera

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