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Old 05-10-2019, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TimBoone@FHDaileyChevrolet
Nobody is allowed to talk about the C8 until the debut on July 18th. GM has very strict rules about that.
Then how in the world do you know that the discussion here is based on false information? You have no information at all, but you claim everything here is BS???
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Old 05-10-2019, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
Do you have any actual information? Do you have any logic or reason behind your opinion? Why haven't you provided it?
You certainly don't. Your post right before this one is idiotic. A Chevrolet dealer clearly tells you he can't talk about any aspect of the C8 until 7-18-19, and you ask him why he hasn't provided the info. That right there is certifiably stupid.

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Old 05-10-2019, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Foosh
You certainly don't.
The ME will have a DCT that can handle 664 lb-ft of torque, true or false?

Why is the DCT built to handle that much torque? Obviously, they are going to install an engine that has nearly that much torque. Gee, where could they find an engine like that?
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Old 05-10-2019, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
Do you have any actual information? Do you have any logic or reason behind your opinion? Why haven't you provided it?
Actually yes there is actual information about this. GM already announced the last C7 is being produced on June 26th and being auctioned off on June 28th. According the GM, the C7 goes out of production on June 26th.
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
Yes, I do believe the ME sales will be 10K annually at prices around or above $100K. There is no reason for GM to discount this car if it out-performs Porsche 911.

Obviously, BGA will not produce only the ME.
The GS already outperforms the 911, why aren’t they selling GSs for 100 grand by your logic?
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Old 05-10-2019, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Foosh
You certainly don't. Your post right before this one is idiotic. A Chevrolet dealer clearly tells you he can't talk about any aspect of the C8 until 7-18-19, and you ask him why he hasn't provided. That right there is certifiably stupid.
So you are assuming that GM has informed all Chevy dealers about the price of the ME and the production volume of BGA going forward?
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Old 05-10-2019, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TimBoone@FHDaileyChevrolet
Actually yes there is actual information about this. GM already announced the last C7 is being produced on June 26th and being auctioned off on June 28th. According the GM, the C7 goes out of production on June 26th.
Now that would be new news. End of production is June 26? Tadge said at BGA week before last that the last C7, which will be auctioned off on June 28 will not be built by then, and C7 production would continue "for awhile" after, but the end date for orders would be announced "very soon." Has something changed since?

PCM, I just broke my promise of non-interaction with you. I pledged not to have discussions with, well . . . I won't say it, but I'm sure everyone else understands. Back to radio silence on anything you say.

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Originally Posted by TimBoone@FHDaileyChevrolet
Actually yes there is actual information about this. GM already announced the last C7 is being produced on June 26th and being auctioned off on June 28th. According the GM, the C7 goes out of production on June 26th.
I had been aware of the auction date for the last Z06 and that it would be produced in black.

This is the 1st time I have heard of GM actually giving @ date for the end of production.

I see you work at a Chevrolet dealership do you have confirmation in some statement of some type that is the end date?

I hope your correct as that would seem to me that it would allow the C8 to go into production sooner than the rumored Dec 19 date?

I don't see GM needing 5 month to transition plant from C7 production to C8 production but it's true the change from one generation to the next has never been so drastic.

Please confirm if there is anything either written or publicly announced that C7 production end June 26th 2019??
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Originally Posted by TimBoone@FHDaileyChevrolet
Actually yes there is actual information about this. GM already announced the last C7 is being produced on June 26th and being auctioned off on June 28th. According the GM, the C7 goes out of production on June 26th.
GM has not announced the C7 production ends on June 26. Tadge just said at the Bash that the C7 production would continue for a while and ZR1 production is already scheduled for July. There is not even a final order date announced.
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Originally Posted by Foosh
Now that would be new news. End of production is June 26? Tadge said at BGA week before last that the last C7, which will be auctioned off on June 28 will not be built by then, and C7 production would continue "for awhile" after, but the end date for orders would be announced "very soon."
Yes this is true. There has been some mixed info on this. I have been told two different things by two different people with GM. So there is a possibility it can be extended past that. So I have been telling my customers they need to get their orders in now if they really want a C7. So even if they do extend the production through the end of July, that means we are down to our last month for ordering.
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Old 05-10-2019, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TXshaggy
The GS already outperforms the 911, why aren’t they selling GSs for 100 grand by your logic?
Wrong. The Carrera S is faster, both 0-60 and top speed.
https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/9...arrera-models/
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I've asked this before but why dilute Corvette with an SUV? Why not Camaro, if it has to be a "performance crossover"?

Or they could just make a Traverse SS, or any number of options that doesn't crap on the Corvette model. People keep forgetting that Corvette is not a "brand"...it is a Chevrolet "model". Stop confusing that huge bit of information with the likes of Porsche, which is a brand, while the 911, Macan, and Cayman are models under the Porsche brand. To make a Corvette SUV would be like Porsche making a 911 SUV...

So enough with the Corvette SUV nonsense. If GM "needs" another stupid crossover to add to its already excessive list of crossovers, they can just add it to the lineup as a Chevy, GMC, Buick, or Cadillac. GM currently has 18 different crossovers and SUVs between its 4 brands in America, does it need another?
I don't disagree with you but I also feel Corvette is as much a brand as it is a model. If GM wanted to sell a high performance CUV/SUV, in my mind, the Corvette name would bring instant recognition and would likely be a better marketing tool than calling it a Equaniox Z51, or Traverse Z51. I could see the vehicle having more sports car like handling and body shape and using many of the same Corvette parts (engine, transmission,etc).

It's just speculation but we all see where this industry is heading. Ford killed off basically all their passenger cars in the US because of profit. If a Corvette SUV led to higher profit margins (even if it means cannibalizing some other GM SUV/CUV sales) I think they would consider it.
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Originally Posted by vetteman41960
I had been aware of the auction date for the last Z06 and that it would be produced in black.

This is the 1st time I have heard of GM actually giving @ date for the end of production.

I see you work at a Chevrolet dealership do you have confirmation in some statement of some type that is the end date?

I hope your correct as that would seem to me that it would allow the C8 to go into production sooner than the rumored Dec 19 date?

I don't see GM needing 5 month to transition plant from C7 production to C8 production but it's true the change from one generation to the next has never been so drastic.

Please confirm if there is anything either written or publicly announced that C7 production end June 26th 2019??
So there is kind of way to figure out the timeline of everything. I'll give you an example. The C6 to the C7 transition, the plant was shut down for about 3 months. Then they built cars and held them for a few weeks for quality control and then shipped. So if GM is sticking to the December time frame of the C8s coming out, they will need to build in November. So that means the plant will shut down end of July if they stick to the same thing as they did with the C7. Obviously this is a brand new car with brand new technology, so things can and most likely will change.
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Originally Posted by TXshaggy
The GS already outperforms the 911, why aren’t they selling GSs for 100 grand by your logic?
And they would be laying more people off if they anticipated going from 30K Corvettes a year to 5K.

There is not a big enough market for a $160-200K Corvette. I think even 5K would be a stretch.
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Originally Posted by TimBoone@FHDaileyChevrolet
Yes this is true. There has been some mixed info on this. I have been told two different things by two different people with GM. So there is a possibility it can be extended past that. So I have been telling my customers they need to get their orders in now if they really want a C7. So even if they do extend the production through the end of July, that means we are down to our last month for ordering.
Thanks Tim, Makes sense. If there are enough orders to sustain extending production, I can see why they'd keep their options open for awhile.

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Old 05-10-2019, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TimBoone@FHDaileyChevrolet
So I have been telling my customers they need to get their orders in now if they really want a C7.
There's your answer, right there. Boone is a sales manager.
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Old 05-10-2019, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by thill444
And they would be laying more people off if they anticipated going from 30K Corvettes a year to 5K.

There is not a big enough market for a $160-200K Corvette. I think even 5K would be a stretch.
World-wide, there is probably a market for 10K annually at $160K if it out-performs the 911 Turbo S. Obviously BGA is not going to build just the ME.
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Originally Posted by TimBoone@FHDaileyChevrolet
So if GM is sticking to the December time frame of the C8s coming out, they will need to build in November. So that means the plant will shut down end of July.
In the teaser video for the reveal on 7/18, GM states that the date of availability will be announced at a later date. So even in July, they won't be announcing a date when the ME will be available.
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
World-wide, there is probably a market for 10K annually at $160K if it out-performs the 911 Turbo S. Obviously BGA is not going to build just the ME.
What other worldwide markets even sell many Corvettes? Europe? They might sell 500 $160-200K Corvetttes at most. They are not going to sell 10K C8 Corvette's annually. The first year they will sell the most. After that? It will be maybe a couple thousand at most a year.

You are so out of touch as to who target Corvette buyers are. It's not millionaires. Or billionaires. A $160-200K Corvette basically eliminates any buyer who makes less than $1M or so a year. Also what would this do to insurance and dealers? GM dealers don't cater to people who spend $160-200K vehicles.

"Sir, while your Corvette is being serviced we will put you in this nice Chevy Cruz loaner.." HA!

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Thrill, you might as well be arguing with a 10 year old. I keep forgetting that, until he shows up again.
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