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Old 12-18-2018, 10:13 PM
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^^^

Great video. Makes you realize it's easy to speculate about what GM should do BUT takes lots of enginnering detail and solving tough problems to make an actual engine and dealing with packaging issues!

Bit surprised they picked a NA 6.5 Liter V12 to produce 1000 hp when everyone is using a smaller cid turbo engines. Achieving 11,000 sustainable rpm is expensive. Perhaps the weight goal of 440 lbs was an issue with the weight of dual turbos and intercoolers and ducting?

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Old 12-19-2018, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Sub Driver View Post
LOL, your guess at the C8 pricing IS a hypothetical! That's classic...good job!
Nah, he doesn't believe YOUR hypotheticals....
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Old 12-19-2018, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JerryU View Post
Bit surprised they picked a NA 6.5 Liter V12 to produce 1000 hp when everyone is using a smaller cid turbo engines. Achieving 11,000 sustainable rpm is expensive.
I'm gonna order a crate engine when it's released and throw it into my Z06.

The NA was per the car's designer Red Bull F1 genius Adrian Newey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Newey
Perhaps the weight goal of 440 lbs was an issue with the weight of dual turbos and intercoolers and ducting.
Newey alluded to this.
As an F1 engineer, he is hardwired for low weight in every aspect of the car.

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Old 12-19-2018, 02:07 PM
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Yep, you'll also save some weight! The LT4 weights ~530 lbs so you'll get 360 more hp for 530-440 = 90 lbs less weight!

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Old 12-21-2018, 11:20 AM
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70k to start.
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Old 12-21-2018, 02:16 PM
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For that price I would rather have a Porsche 911 Turbo.
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Old 12-21-2018, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Zerv02 View Post
$169,900 is a go,

if your in the "under 100k" camp, you will be disappointed.

Let the madness ensue

UPDATE:
Sorry Zerv... it looks like the nail in your troll bait’s coffin came in earlier than I expected:
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https://www.midenginecorvetteforum.c...on-for-version
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Old 12-21-2018, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tcinla View Post


Sorry Zerv... it looks like the nail in your troll bait’s coffin came in earlier than I expected:
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https://www.midenginecorvetteforum.c...on-for-version
"To beat the world's best regardless of price or national origin." -- Bob Lutz

And Corvette ME will do that at a price of $70K because Corvette guys are way smarter than Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari and Lambo guys. Really?
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Old 12-21-2018, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tcinla View Post


Sorry Zerv... it looks like the nail in your troll bait’s coffin came in earlier than I expected:
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https://www.midenginecorvetteforum.c...on-for-version
Bob Lutz made this prediction several months ago so this is nothing new and, in fact, has already been discussed here. If you pay attention to the whole article there are also previous corvette Chief Engineers predicting a much higher price as well so this means absolutely nothing. With that said, in my opinion, the base C8 will not be too much more expensive that a Z51 C7 but this link in itself does not prove anything.

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Old 12-21-2018, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PCMIII View Post
"To beat the world's best regardless of price or national origin." -- Bob Lutz

And Corvette ME will do that at a price of $70K because Corvette guys are way smarter than Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari and Lambo guys. Really?
fair point but I’d put more credibility in Bobby than any anonymous internet-based entities.

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Old 12-21-2018, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tcinla View Post


fair point but I’d put more credibility in Bobby than any anonymous internet-based entities.
So this is a faith based thing? Got it.
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Originally Posted by tcinla View Post


fair point but I’d put more credibility in Bobby than any anonymous internet-based entities.
So this is a faith based thing? Got it.
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Old 12-21-2018, 05:17 PM
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Imagine that $70,000 starting price. Just like I have been saying all along... Where's all the experts now???
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Old 12-21-2018, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PCMIII View Post
So this is a faith based thing? Got it.
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Apparently, it is based on how strongly you defend “opinion”. Tell me, what actual (a.k.a. A ‘fact’ from GM) proof is there for $170k? Hmmm?

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Old 12-21-2018, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tcinla View Post

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Apparently, it is based on how strongly you defend “opinion”. Tell me, what actual (a.k.a. A ‘fact’ from GM) proof is there for $170k? Hmmm?
Well, let's see. How many mid-engine high performance cars on the market now are under $140K, which according to my math is twice the $70K you are fantasizing about?
Unless you are thinking that the Corvette ME will just be an updated Fiero with an LT1, $70K is simply nonsense.
OTOH, a McLaren 570s w/562 hp is $188K and the NSX starts at $160K w/573 hp.
A C7 Grand Sport can beat both of those cars so the C8 ME will need more hp and tech to justify its business case.
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Old 12-21-2018, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PCMIII View Post
Well, let's see. How many mid-engine high performance cars on the market now are under $140K, which according to my math is twice the $70K you are fantasizing about?
Unless you are thinking that the Corvette ME will just be an updated Fiero with an LT1, $70K is simply nonsense.
OTOH, a McLaren 570s w/562 hp is $188K and the NSX starts at $160K w/573 hp.
A C7 Grand Sport can beat both of those cars so the C8 ME will need more hp and tech to justify its business case.
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so basically, you have no proof and just have your own opinion . Got it.
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Originally Posted by tcinla View Post

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so basically, you have no proof and just have your own opinion . Got it.
Nope, I gave you facts of what comparable ME high performance cars cost. Your opinion, based on nothing, is that the C8 ME will cost less than half what the competition costs. Talk about magical thinking!
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Old 12-21-2018, 07:51 PM
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Said this before but will repeat again:

My opinion, for what it’s worth, is that the only reason the exotics are so expensive is due to their low production numbers.
If you have to recover the development costs over a production run of 500 cars per year for five years you only have 2500 cars to make your money back on. But if you had the market and could produce 100,000 a year, then those development costs could be spread over a half million cars.
Basicly the exotics are not expensive because they are so good, they are expensive because there are so few of them.
I think that the Vette and the 911 have it figured out with production in the 40,000 to 50,000 range.
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Originally Posted by Tom73 View Post
Said this before but will repeat again:

I think that the Vette and the 911 have it figured out with production in the 40,000 to 50,000 range.
911 starts over $100K now so it's not a bargain. The C7 is now $60K and it relies on common GM components for engines, transmissions and other parts. Development costs are minimal because the basic FE design has been around for decades. Current volume is under 20K/year. Building a high performance ME is not going to be cheap and making it a Porsche beater is not going to be easy. OTOH if Corvettes are made in China, it could be doable.
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Old 12-21-2018, 08:14 PM
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Only reason sales are down is that everyone and their dog knows that a new model is coming. They just quit buying while waiting on the new car.

Also, was talking exotics, not the 911. If Chevy only produced 500 to 1000 Chevy Sparks a year then they would be priced at over $100,000. Production volume is the key to costs

If the exotics had the production capabilities of the Vette or the 911 and had the market demand for them their prices would be in the Vette/911 range.
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