Originally Posted by Quinten33

Originally Posted by skank

Current C7 bandwidth is $56,590.00 (incl. destination fee) for a barebones Stingray with zero options up to $151,000.00 for a loaded up ZR1. I've built a few on their Price and Build function and $151k is easily attained.

Tadge has mentioned numerous times of the bandwidth of the Corvette which is the absolute least expensive Corvette to the absolute most expensive optioned out Corvette. That is the price range!

I listed all the differences between the barebones Stingray and what we know from the Zerv Leak thread. I'm estimating a Bandwidth for the C8 ZORA at $85,000.00 to $190,000.00 plus or minus.


All of these have been shown on the Zerv Leaks or indicated by new GM Patent's. I've applied a value next to each that I feel is comparable to prior option pricing from Corvette and Porsche "Build and Price" functions on their websites. A extreme example of my estimated pricing is the ZF DCT transaxle that has been shown on the Zerv Leaks. It is the same unit that is on the Porsche 918 that sells from Porsche Parts for $69,239.00. I've put a very conservative estimate of only $10,000.00 on that critical line item cost of the car. It could be much higher !!

1. Enhanced and Stiffened 3 part modular Chassis with High pressure castings as seen on Zerv leaks $1,000.00
2. 4 Magnetorheological Coilover Shocks on ME vs 2 transverse leaf springs and 4 Shocks on FE C7 $2,000.00
3. 4 ZF Magnetorheological engine mounts on ME vs standard rubber composition engine mounts on FE C7 $2,000.00
4. ZF DCT Transaxle on ME vs 7sp manual or 8sp automatic with independent differential on FE C7 $10,000.00
5. 4.2L DOHC Two Stage Twin Turbo Charged V8, Gen6 LT7 5.5L DOHC Two Stage Twin Turbo Charged V8, New Gen6 LT2 6.2L OHV V8 as base engine on ME vs LT1, LT4, and LT5 on FE C7 $4,000.00
6. Integrated Intercoolers on ME vs separate intercoolers on C7 FE $500.00
7. Advanced high-pressure die-cast aluminum or magnesium structural ribbed chassis stiffeners, struts, and brackets on ME vs older generation tech on FE C7 chassis $1,000.00
8. Adaptive Aerodynamics or Active Aero as indicated in Patent Application and Zerv leaked CAD views on ME vs fixed aero components on FE C7 $3,000.00
9. Folding hardtop convertible on ME vs soft top convertible on FE C7 $6,000.00
10. Inconel tubular factory short headers on ME vs cast exhaust manifolds on FE C7 $1,000.00
11. Higher Carbon Fiber Body Panel Content on ME vs FE C7 $2,000.00
12. Precision Smooth Cast Alloy Intake Runners from Air Box to Two Stage Twin Turbochargers on ME vs none on LT1, LT4, and LT5 on FE C7 $1,000.00
13. Adjustable suspension(Front axle lift system) gaging by the pneumatic or hydraulic line apparently emanating from the bottom of the LF shock/spring assembly on ME vs none on FE C7 $2,000.00
14. Rear spoiler actuator to be piston style electronic actuator on ME vs Fixed aero on FE C7 $2,000.00
15. Dual Port and Direct injection system on ME engines vs Direct injection only on LT1 and LT4 of FE C7 $1,500.00
16. Digital Rear View Streaming Mirror/Camera will require a flat screen in dash on ME vs regular rear view mirror on FE C7 $1,000.00
17. Optional AKC ZF rear wheel steering unit on ME vs none on FE C7 $1,500.00
18. Optional State of the Art Bose Panaray Sound System on ME vs Standard Bose Sound System on FE C7 $2,000.00
19. AEB (automatic emergency braking) on ME vs none on FE C7 $500.00
20. BSP (blind spot protection) on ME vs none on FE C7 $500.00
21. Advanced mixed-material approach for the lightweight body structure on ME vs older tech on FE C7 $1,500.00
22. New Advanced Headlight and Taillight LED technologies on ME vs older generation lighting tech on FE C7 $500.00
23. FCA/FCW e.g. frontal collision avoidance/warning on ME vs none on FE C7 $500.00
24. Electro-Hydraulic Braking Assist on ME vs standard hydraulic on FE C7 $500.00
25. New ZF Steering Damper on ME vs standard on FE C7 $500.00
26. Swan Style(Aston Martin) upswing doors on ME vs standard door hinge arrangement on FE C7 $300.00
27. Possible electronically actuated manual transmission on ME vs standard manual on FE C7 $1,000.00
28. Potential Hybrid Drivetrain technology as indicated in GM Patent for ME vs none on FE C7 $3,000.00
29. Left and right hand drive for all markets worldwide on ME vs Left hand drive only on FE C7 $2,000.00
30. Potential of all wheel drive since GM has trademarked Sport Control AWD on ME vs rear wheel drive only on FE C7 $2,000.00
31. ZF electronic "Brake By Wire" system on ME vs standard Brake system on FE C7 $1,000.00
32. Higher Quality Interior standards on ME vs Interior Standards on FE C7 $5,000.00

Total $62,300.00
I'm estimating that $30,000.00 of the $62,300.00 will be directly attributable to the Base ME base price with the other $32,300.00 being optional add ons.
That puts the C8 ME Base price at approximately $85,000.00 to $90,000.00 where I've had it all along.

Originally Posted by Zaro Tundov

The Camaro is an engineering masterpiece but a design disaster. The cabin is cramped and you can't see out of the damn thing, and it's styling is something I would have liked when I was 13 years old. As Chevy is discovering, 13 year olds can't afford to buy Camaros.

Somebody at GM made some very stupid decisions on the Camaro and needs to be fired. The Corvette is the sports car with fewer compromises for practicality, while the Camaro should be the practical one with concessions to practical commuting. That's why the Mustang is such a hit, it's practical, a great value, and sleek and sexy with just enough aggro to keep it thrilling. Both men and women lust for Mustangs because of the great design.

Originally Posted by Supermassive

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more...

TLDR: No, no, maybe, no, and hell no. 'MURICA!




Wrong, just wrong. I am by no means a Corvette expert, hell I have owned just one, but do just a barely cursory search on the Corvette history and you literally find dozens of examples of GM executives and engineers stating plainly that the Corvette is meant to be "obtainable" in a general sense for anyone who wants one. It is the literal ethos surrounding the Corvette program from the very start in 1953. To discount over 60 years of doing things this way and thinking GM will throw it all out because of some imaginary perception from a few people who have the money to buy exotics, and just want another toy to add to their garage from an American manufacturer is just silly.



Once again, I am not sure you and I reside on the same planet if you think the Gen V Viper was anything but refined. The initial tests in 2013 of the first Gen V's showed a car that was rough around the edges concerning the car's performance, but every subsequent test of Vipers built since then have been very positive. The Viper was a true American exotic, built by hand, using exotic materials, and had a fit and finish unlike any other car made in America. As for performance, the T/A package and the subsequent T/A 2 package addressed on the edge track handling incredibly well, allowing the Viper to retake the Laguna Seca lap record for a time, then the ACR came out and blew the doors off of the competition on tracks around the world. The interior is orders of magnitude better in quality over the Corvette. The general build quality is also amazing, this car has exquisite panel gaps and the paint is smooth and clear, with no orange peel because it is wet sanded and multi coated by hand to produce a flawless paint surface. Hell Ferrari's have worse paint quality than Vipers. Add to this the GTC program they did where you could custom order a Viper however you wanted and it would be 100% unique to that buyer, locking that specific option loadout to just that car for the model year, was unheard of.



Hey here's something we can kinda agree on, but continuation of a FE platform makes no financial sense due to what I am gonna say after the next tidbit of shortsighted opinion making.



First off, Porsche is a brand, like Chevrolet, they survive because of the Macan and Cayenne, not because of the 911. Ferrari survives because it has insane mark ups over the actual cost to build the cars, there was an article saying that Ferrari makes an average of $94k per car sold, that means they add almost $100k to the price of the cars because of their name, not because their cars are that much more expensive to build than everyone else. Porsche is no more clever than GM or any manufacturer for that matter, they simply have carved out a niche that they fill out to the best of their ability, cars like the 918 Spyder are engineering exercises and a way to remain relevant in talks of hypercar performance even though that is not their base customer. GM and specifically the Corvette has filled it's particular niche as well, and to abandon that is literally the exact opposite how to make money as a corporation. GM could theoretically create a new sub brand that focused on catering to exotics, but it would not be called a Corvette due to how this car already serves a purpose within the corporate structure of GM.

Sure you might think this is conjecture but anyone who has ever taken even one micro economics course (or anyone with actual sense) understands the concepts of leveraging what you already have to make a profit. Jumping into new markets is a risk that companies should take from time to time, but you don't scrap a profitable business model to do this.



The main market for the Corvette really doesn't care about the cars they can never afford, we may take digs at the exotics that get spanked on racetracks around the world by the ZR1 but that car did not sell me on my C7 Z51, what sold me was how much performance I was able to obtain for my dollar. This is how most Corvette buyers get bit by the Corvette bug. I would never spend $120k on a Corvette, ever, at that point, if I had the money I would be looking at filling my garage with older prancing horses, not because of performance, but to finally own the cars that used to adorn the posters on my childhood walls, I might even consider a '63 Stingray at that price, but I would not buy a modern Corvette for that price. I'm not saying that every buyer is like me, but I think many buyers are similar.



Last but certainly not least.

Why would anyone pay $65k for another round of C7 FE Corvettes? There is already almost an entire model years worth of stock on dealer lots of C7 Vettes that haven't sold. This isn't some made up situation, in fact releasing the C8 as exclusively mid engine would help to get that stock sold for all of the people who have been holding out to see what the C8 does. Releasing it alongside a new FE car could work, but there has been literal radio silence on anything resembling a new FE car or even a refreshed one with new body styling, we would have seen some camouflaged mules by now if something was in the pipeline, especially if there was a powertrain upgrade.

I am not attacking you personally, it's just that simple logic can poke so many holes into the "halo car" opinion that it just makes my head hurt that people actually think like this and just "believe". Sure I could be 100% wrong about what GM plans to do, but that would require a multi billion dollar corporation, it's shareholders, and its executives to basically jump the shark and run counter to an already profitable business model and philosophy in order to do so. So yeah, it is possible, but not even remotely likely if GM continues being GM.

Originally Posted by fasttoys

Originally Posted by f-16pilotTX

Originally Posted by IronV

There is no valid comparison between heavily clad C7 prototypes and C8 prototypes shod of the heavy cladding and in tight vinyl wrap.

Originally Posted by IronV

As far as I'm concerned, that 169 number is as valid as any other set of 3 real numbers. I have NO IDEA what the price point is going to be on the C8.

What I do know is this: It will represent a mind-boggling value--once again offering the most impressive combination of performance, price, economy, utility, and reliability in its class.

The issue is not price point, per se. Establishing a price point for a product is alchemy. Good lord, any number of reasonable formulas can provide different numbers (not to mention internal politics).

What the C8 will represent, without doubt, is freaking HUGE VALUE.

Originally Posted by skank

All of my estimates are just that. Only estimates. The more important things to look at are the actual verifiable differences between the C7 base Stingray and what people will perceive as the Base C8 ZORA. My list shows those differences between the two. Take for instance the base C7 Stingray has two composite transverse leaf springs and four very common standard shock absorbers. The ZORA clearly shows four magnetorheological coilover shocks. There is a huge difference in price between the two. Four Magnetorheological engine mounts versus regular composition rubber mounts. The list goes on and on.

Originally Posted by Zaro Tundov

How do you know the base C8 is fit with magnetorheological shocks? That would be highly unusual for GM.