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WOW.
How do you know Foosh's financial situation?
Come on, want to have different opinion, that's great. But crap like this is frankly inexcusable.
You owe the man an apology.....
Thanks Jimmy, but I didn't interpret it as an insult. I think he was saying we just have different backgrounds and perspectives. I'm pretty sure the "cheers" emoji was a sign that we've amicably agreed to differ.
Wouldn't you be a potential buyer for a Z06 outfitted GT in a skin like this??
You could fit luggage and golf clubs in this car. Along with fly rods and a Yeti! If GM put out a car in this skin with the mechanics of the existing Z06 and called it a GT, my guess is it'd sell like hotcakes!
No, I've already purchased two and will hang on to my 18 M7. A warmed-over C7 coupled with a ZR1-priced ME will not generate anywhere close to the sales numbers a range of ME models priced from ~ $70-$150K will. That's a no-brainer, assuming, of course, GM does it well.
And they've done it so much that the run of several thousand has been gobbled up save a few scattered in select dealerships around the country!
The foolish premise this Thread started with was the C8 will cost $169,900 and it was to beat Porsche etc!
It was not stated that this high price would be for a variant! In fact if there is a variant at anywhere near that price the latest "inside info" (NOT but it could be a good guess) is the Grand Touring Model could cost the most!
I see that more like a Gucci handback selling for $2500! It's for those who can afford it and don't want to see too many others in town with one! They also don't care about performance just that they can say the have a "high performance" sports car they can drive to the Country Club! It would also come with tires so those who won't drive their Vettes below 40F can feel secure. They also won't "chatter."
It will have suspension that is much more compliant as these folks won't come close to 1 "g" anyway. The speculation (or perhaps inside info) said it would have expensive sound deadening including audio glass that helps attenuate sound. That will satisfy the audiophiles or would be audiophiles who can flaunt their Bang & Olufsen sound system with 14 speakers! It will no doubt have real leather and not just Nappa leather only on the "seating surface" in a 3LT. No GM coined name "Mulan leather" which is ~40% ground leather scrapes and the remainder and construction much like vinyl!
WOW.
How do you know Foosh's financial situation?
Come on, want to have different opinion, that's great. But crap like this is frankly inexcusable.
You owe the man an apology.....
Jimmyb
What the hell are you talking about? I gave him a compliment. Foosh has put out that he has high level corporate experience so I acknowledged that. That certainly was not a diss on him as he gives a well thought out dissertation of the situation though different from mine.
Since the cheapest 2020 911 starts at $114K, why wouldn't the Corvette ME w/500 hp LT1 & DCT, start at $100K minimum? It would easily out perform the Porsche and still be a value.
Porsche put out the base price for the 911 Carrera S but not the standard Carrera. It appears the new Carrera will be slightly under the magic 100k number at $99,200.00 there or abouts. The 991-2 Carrera base car was $91,100.00 and now it appears a $8,100.00 increase is there. If the C8 ME is under that 99k number it will steal sales from Porsche. No Doubt!
Some truth to that but according to the OP that is the starting price so with options maybe $200K??
Look, nobody likes the idea of going to a Chevy dealer to buy a Corvette which should be a separate brand because it is the strongest name GM has. Without Chevy, Corvettes would sell for thousands more.
GM is on target to sell approximately 2K ZR1s in the 2019 model year, which speaks volumes about the size of the market for a car in that bracket. BGA will build as many as ordered, but that's all the orders that have been generated. The 1000th ZR1 produced was just delivered by Mike Furman about a month ago and was a custom order. I don't think more than a handful have been ordered for dealer stock.
I couldn't agree with you more on that assessment.
If they decide to eventually do 2 Corvette configurations....That is the only way it can be done.
At that point,I think everyone mutually agrees that the mid engine can’t cost(at very most)10 to 20% more then today’s base C7.
In the very likely hood scenario where only one Corvette is manufactured( C8 mid engine),we end up with the same price point conclusion, 10 to 20% more then today’s car at most.
GM has no interest in abandoning that price segment .
I had read that GM has a near 50% share of the 75k to 100k sports car market, that was as of 2016. GM also was reported as having a near 40% share of the 50k to 100k sports car market, may have been called performance car market. No way GM is giving away that price point up.
GM is on target to sell approximately 2K ZR1s in the 2019 model year, which speaks volumes about the size of the market for a car in that bracket. BGA will build as many as ordered, but that's all the orders that have been generated. The 1000th ZR1 produced was just delivered by Mike Furman about a month ago and was a custom order. I don't think more than a handful have been ordered for dealer stock.
Starting MSRP is $130K.
Foosh, for what? A base Corvette? Fuhgeddaboudit
Last edited by Big Lebowski; 12-10-2018 at 08:42 PM.
I had read that GM has a near 50% share of the 75k to 100k sports car market, that was as of 2016. GM also was reported as having a near 40% share of the 50k to 100k sports car market, may have been called performance car market. No way GM is giving away that price point up.
PC
100%,
The only unknown is if the starting price begins with a 6 or a 7.
I had read that GM has a near 50% share of the 75k to 100k sports car market, that was as of 2016. GM also was reported as having a near 40% share of the 50k to 100k sports car market, may have been called performance car market. No way GM is giving away that price point up.
PC
Which is precisely why a warmed-over C7 as the low cost alternative is incredibly risky, and I'm convinced would fail as a strategy. I don't think GM is stupid.
Originally Posted by Big Lebowski
Foosh, for what? A base Corvette? Fuhgeddaboudit
No Big, that is base MSRP for today's ZR1. I don't think you read the rest of the post. My entire point was the market for $130K+ Corvettes is maybe a few thousand units max.
This all boils down to whether they build the ME only or they build both ME and FE. That is it in a nutshell. I'm betting on both going forward and you only the ME going forward. I've lived with both Corvettes and Ferrari's and I can tell you that ME's are not as practical as a FE. And therein lies the difference. GM has to have both to satisfy all lifestyles.
I think that a big issue is the drop-off in C7 sales. If a FE C8 is coming, it must be 2-model years away. Considering the overflowing C7 inventory, I don’t see how they can continue to make anywhere near as many C7’s as they normally would. In two years, they’d be putting 10-20% discounts on every C7 in stock, right? So, let’s assume the C8 ME undercuts the 992 Carrera at $98,000. How many of those could they sell per year at that price? 6000? So let’s assume that C7 production is halved or at 15,000/year. That’s 21,000 units produced per year until the C8 FE car arrives. Of course, this is pure speculation and I didn’t even bother to look up things such as what % of Corvettes cost as much as $98,000. I don’t see how they can afford to make the C8 ME nearly $100,000 without a C8 FE being produced at the same time.
I certainly would love to see the ME start at $100k with a FE starting around $60K, as that would allow the ME car to have far less compromises than the FE Corvette. I’m really curious as to how the extra space at BGA will be used, but we I won’t know for sure for a long while. All I know is that the C8 will be the best generation of Corvette, and that both the Corvette customers and GM’s executives will not be disappointed.
Jimmyb
What the hell are you talking about? I gave him a compliment. Foosh has put out that he has high level corporate experience so I acknowledged that. That certainly was not a diss on him as he gives a well thought out dissertation of the situation though different from mine.
My apologies. I took it as a slight on Foosh...MY MISTAKE.
Some truth to that but according to the OP that is the starting price so with options maybe $200K??
So.... I went back and counted.
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9 posts where I explained that there will be THREE variants and the $169k was most likely for the 2nd variant released shortly after the base model. I already stated 9 times that this price is most likely for the mid-tier GT, but even so, I still believe the base variant will have an entry of $105-115K. The keyword is believe. It's just my speculation that the base will cost low 6 figures ($105-115K) based upon the mid-tiers confirmed $169k price point and other factors. If the GT will cost $169K, what on earth will justify a $100k price hike (based on peoples hopes of the base costing $60-70k). The mid-tier variant will be released much quicker than the z06 was released post stingray reveal. Why? I don't know. Is there a possibility of two corvettes, FE & ME? Sure. Maybe? No? Who knows....
Does the Base c8 feel like a car worthy of a $105-115k price point? I can tell you, yes, absolutely. Having owned a c6, and two c7's (stingray and z06) this is a wholeeeee different monster. Anyone whos driven the thing can attest to this.
Thanks for the reality check zerv02....
We we’re just feeding off each other’s nonsense ,and got carried away.
Nice to have a voice of reason around .
Thanks
P.S
Funny how both PCM and yourself sport 2 Corvettes each...
Burago?or maybe Hotwheels?
12-10-2018, 06:38 PM
