$169,900, final price confirmed
12-18-2018, 10:13 PM
#1641
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^^^
Great video.
Makes you realize it's easy to speculate about what GM should do BUT takes lots of enginnering detail and solving tough problems to make an actual engine and dealing with packaging issues!
Bit surprised they picked a NA 6.5 Liter V12 to produce 1000 hp when everyone is using a smaller cid turbo engines. Achieving 11,000 sustainable rpm is expensive. Perhaps the weight goal of 440 lbs was an issue with the weight of dual turbos and intercoolers and ducting?
Great video.
Makes you realize it's easy to speculate about what GM should do BUT takes lots of enginnering detail and solving tough problems to make an actual engine and dealing with packaging issues!Bit surprised they picked a NA 6.5 Liter V12 to produce 1000 hp when everyone is using a smaller cid turbo engines. Achieving 11,000 sustainable rpm is expensive. Perhaps the weight goal of 440 lbs was an issue with the weight of dual turbos and intercoolers and ducting?
Last edited by JerryU; 12-19-2018 at 10:50 AM.
12-19-2018, 09:33 AM
#1642
Race Director
12-19-2018, 12:25 PM
#1643
The NA was per the car's designer Red Bull F1 genius Adrian Newey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Newey
Perhaps the weight goal of 440 lbs was an issue with the weight of dual turbos and intercoolers and ducting.
As an F1 engineer, he is hardwired for low weight in every aspect of the car.
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12-19-2018, 02:07 PM
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Yep, you'll also save some weight! The LT4 weights ~530 lbs so you'll get 360 more hp for 530-440 = 90 lbs less weight! 
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12-21-2018, 02:21 PM
#1647
Melting Slicks
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https://www.midenginecorvetteforum.c...on-for-version
12-21-2018, 02:31 PM
#1648
Melting Slicks
Sorry Zerv... it looks like the nail in your troll bait’s coffin came in earlier than I expected:
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https://www.midenginecorvetteforum.c...on-for-version
And Corvette ME will do that at a price of $70K because Corvette guys are way smarter than Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari and Lambo guys. Really?
12-21-2018, 02:35 PM
#1649
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Sorry Zerv... it looks like the nail in your troll bait’s coffin came in earlier than I expected:
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https://www.midenginecorvetteforum.c...on-for-version
Last edited by Sub Driver; 12-21-2018 at 02:37 PM.
12-21-2018, 07:36 PM
#1655
Melting Slicks
Unless you are thinking that the Corvette ME will just be an updated Fiero with an LT1, $70K is simply nonsense.
OTOH, a McLaren 570s w/562 hp is $188K and the NSX starts at $160K w/573 hp.
A C7 Grand Sport can beat both of those cars so the C8 ME will need more hp and tech to justify its business case.
12-21-2018, 07:48 PM
#1656
Melting Slicks
Well, let's see. How many mid-engine high performance cars on the market now are under $140K, which according to my math is twice the $70K you are fantasizing about?
Unless you are thinking that the Corvette ME will just be an updated Fiero with an LT1, $70K is simply nonsense.
OTOH, a McLaren 570s w/562 hp is $188K and the NSX starts at $160K w/573 hp.
A C7 Grand Sport can beat both of those cars so the C8 ME will need more hp and tech to justify its business case.
Unless you are thinking that the Corvette ME will just be an updated Fiero with an LT1, $70K is simply nonsense.
OTOH, a McLaren 570s w/562 hp is $188K and the NSX starts at $160K w/573 hp.
A C7 Grand Sport can beat both of those cars so the C8 ME will need more hp and tech to justify its business case.
so basically, you have no proof and just have your own opinion . Got it.
12-21-2018, 07:50 PM
#1657
Melting Slicks
Nope, I gave you facts of what comparable ME high performance cars cost. Your opinion, based on nothing, is that the C8 ME will cost less than half what the competition costs. Talk about magical thinking!
12-21-2018, 07:51 PM
#1658
Race Director
Said this before but will repeat again:
My opinion, for what it’s worth, is that the only reason the exotics are so expensive is due to their low production numbers.
If you have to recover the development costs over a production run of 500 cars per year for five years you only have 2500 cars to make your money back on. But if you had the market and could produce 100,000 a year, then those development costs could be spread over a half million cars.
Basicly the exotics are not expensive because they are so good, they are expensive because there are so few of them.
I think that the Vette and the 911 have it figured out with production in the 40,000 to 50,000 range.
My opinion, for what it’s worth, is that the only reason the exotics are so expensive is due to their low production numbers.
If you have to recover the development costs over a production run of 500 cars per year for five years you only have 2500 cars to make your money back on. But if you had the market and could produce 100,000 a year, then those development costs could be spread over a half million cars.
Basicly the exotics are not expensive because they are so good, they are expensive because there are so few of them.
I think that the Vette and the 911 have it figured out with production in the 40,000 to 50,000 range.
12-21-2018, 08:01 PM
#1659
Melting Slicks
12-21-2018, 08:14 PM
#1660
Race Director
Only reason sales are down is that everyone and their dog knows that a new model is coming. They just quit buying while waiting on the new car.
Also, was talking exotics, not the 911. If Chevy only produced 500 to 1000 Chevy Sparks a year then they would be priced at over $100,000. Production volume is the key to costs
If the exotics had the production capabilities of the Vette or the 911 and had the market demand for them their prices would be in the Vette/911 range.
Also, was talking exotics, not the 911. If Chevy only produced 500 to 1000 Chevy Sparks a year then they would be priced at over $100,000. Production volume is the key to costs
If the exotics had the production capabilities of the Vette or the 911 and had the market demand for them their prices would be in the Vette/911 range.